CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[MistyWaters]

I'm not sure that there is one, aside from the fact it would cause friction between MBM and DM. I apologize if I've derailed the conversation by bringing it up.

You haven’t derailed the conversation. The topic of tax filing is always interesting, along with how DM actions or non-actions is the focus of attention.

One thing I learned, it would’ve been up to both Maleyha and DM to report on their individual filing they were living commonlaw after a full year. Given the lag between tax year and filing, and the fact they were only together for three years (since 2022? on the return filed in 2023?) , that doesn’t leave much time for DM to suddenly stop filing if he was truly the reason she wasn’t receiving CCB.

 

[thor124]

You haven’t derailed the conversation. The topic of tax filing is always interesting, along with how DM actions or non-actions is the focus of attention.

One thing I learned, it would’ve been up to both Maleyha and DM to report on their individual filing they were living commonlaw after a full year. Given the lag between tax year and filing, and the fact they were only together for three years (since 2022? on the return filed in 2023?) , that doesn’t leave much time for DM to suddenly stop filing if he was truly the reason she wasn’t receiving CCB.

From what I can see common law status in NS can be claimed after living together for two years, or after any amount of time if the couple are living together and have a child. If Meadow was born in 2023(I think she was) they could claim common law for the 2023 tax year regardless of how long they were living together as a couple.

 

[BCSleuth]

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What connection is there between Maleyha’s CCB and the disappearance of Lilly and Jack?

JMO

It's in the article.

Other means of cash flow had also been cut off. In recent months, child support payments from Jack and Lilly’s biological father had stopped after he lost his job. Malehya’s monthly Canada Child Benefit cheque, or baby bonus – which under federal guidelines would be about $1,900 per month – was halted because Daniel hadn’t filed his taxes which were due by April 30.

That seems strange for reasons already discussed. To further answer your question would be against ToS, I would think.

 

[MistyWaters]

Possibly nothing.
Possibly everything.

Right now it seems like just one more detail in the piles of details that don't really make any sense or neatly fit into any kind of understanding as to how/why those kids disappeared.

jmo

Some kind of storytelling plot would be far more logical if it was the mother instead of the stepfather who caused the lack of CCB funding. Then the underlying theme of the story changes to the stepfather’s growing animosity and resentment toward supporting a woman with two children born from an earlier relationship, especially if parenting those rambunctious children increasingly became his responsibility, and poverty forced him to borrow money from other family members just to survive.

Thats why I’m curious of who gave the G&M that information and what was their true agenda other than to try throw DM under the bus by making him appear a vicious abuser who probably wouldn’t blink an eye over murdering little children. Did the reason involve the act of deflecting
and /or distancing themselves from the children’s disappearance? Perhaps the RCMP have good reason to check it out and G&M printed the information to draw attention to the as-yet anonymous source.
JMO

 

[TMich6811]

Some kind of storytelling plot would be far more logical if it was the mother instead of the stepfather who caused the lack of CCB funding. Then the underlying theme of the story changes to the stepfather’s growing animosity and resentment toward supporting a woman with two children born from an earlier relationship, especially if parenting those rambunctious children increasingly became his responsibility, and poverty forced him to borrow money from other family members just to survive.

Thats why I’m curious of who gave the G&M that information and what was their true agenda other than to try throw DM under the bus by making him appear a vicious abuser who probably wouldn’t blink an eye over murdering little children. Did the reason involve the act of deflecting
and /or distancing themselves from the children’s disappearance? Perhaps the RCMP have good reason to check it out and G&M printed the information to draw attention to the as-yet anonymous source.
JMO

I’m not sure there needs to be a theatrical plot or dramatic story which you posted.

Previous CPS reports
Financial strain
Admitted substance use

I think we are all hopeful (as hopeful as we can be) that they wandered but it’s hard to ignore the basic obvious red flags

 

[MistyWaters]

I’m not sure there needs to be a theatrical plot or dramatic story which you posted.

Previous CPS reports
Financial strain
Admitted substance use

I think we are all hopeful (as hopeful as we can be) that they wandered but it’s hard to ignore the basic obvious red flags

Obvious red flags of what? None of that is evidence and I never want to live in a world where people are convicted on such a narrow-minded viewpoint as that.

 

[tlcya]

Obvious red flags of what? None of that is evidence and I never want to live in a world where people are convicted on such a narrow-minded viewpoint as that.

red flags indicating all was not well at home for the children.

1) allegations of abusive controlling behaviors by the adult male in the household?
2) A CPS investigation into black eyes and inappropriate clothing and possible neglect of children in the home?
3) Admissions of prior meth use and current attendance at narc anon three times a week? per DM
4) Parenting classes to "clear him" in the eyes of CPS? per DM

Not sure what isn't red about any of those flags. agree, red flags are not evidence. But then I don't think anyone has called those flags evidence and none of us have the ability to convict anyone of anything.

 

[MistyWaters]

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Poverty is not a red flag about the cause of the disappearance of children. Nor do we know the details of the CWS report or the findings. Getting reported because of genuine concern (as opposed to maliciousness) isn’t necessarily negative in itself, it’s the outcome that’s important.

How can we presume what evidence has been found when no charges have been laid and the investigation is still ongoing? It’s entirely okay to not know why the children are missing because we don’t.

 

[MistyWaters]

<snipped> and none of us have the ability to convict anyone of anything.

That’s a very good thing!

 

[Ontario Mom]

Obvious red flags of what?

From my perspective, the red flags mentioned speak to the living conditions, parenting concerns, drug abuse, anger issues, financial instability & family relationship issues between MBM & DM and DM and MBM's family, as well as MBM and the kid's paternal family. LOTS of dysfunction going on there in that wee trailer, for sure.

Do any of those things point directly at either parent as being the cause of the disappearance of the kids? No, I don't think they do (on their own, and based on what we know) but I think they make it pretty clear things weren't great there even before the kids disappeared. Is it possible one or more of those red flags did have something to do with the kids disappearing? Yes, I think it's certainly possible. I'm just not sure how probable.

jmo

 

[agent902]

*Hypothetically* CCB payments can be stopped due to overpayment situations. Which can become common in blended families with multiple children across different households. People can inadvertently claim the children in both households, then one party owes it back.

There's no hypothetical scenario in which a calculated elimination of the children would FIX any CCB issues. So speculation about it shouldn't give it too much significance. Not as a motive.

BUT recognizing it as a legitimate source of stress and conflict in relationships is important, I think.

I think this family unit was struggling, and I mean that in a sensitive and victim-friendly way. I've got the world's biggest soft spot for rural Nova Scotia working-class roughnecks. These are my people.

But knowing my people, I know that domestic violence is a real and pervasive problem here. We've had an epidemic of rural NS women murdered by their partners, with poor policing to prevent it. So I have a hard time figuring out how to bring that up as a hypothetical, in a victim-centred way that doesn't implicate people close to the victim.

 

[tlcya]

The released warrant applications are for:

GPS tracking data, communication and other records from the cellphones of Martell and mother Brooks-Murray.
Video recordings from school buses operating in the area.
Electronic records from companies in Montreal, Toronto and Halifax whose names and purposes are redacted.
Banking records of Martell and Brooks-Murray.
TextPlus messages from May 1 and 2 of three redacted phone numbers. In other parts of the warrants, Brooks-Murray is said to have used TextPlus.
Video recordings from the Cobequid Pass tollbooths.
Closed circuit television footage from a redacted location.
New witness statements in Jack and Lilly Sullivan's disappearance are unverified: RCMP

I'm curious about the BBM. The other items requested in the warrant applications seem pretty obvious and expected. Wonder why those particular warrants are so heavily redacted.

 

[su5ie]

From my perspective, the red flags mentioned speak to the living conditions, parenting concerns, drug abuse, anger issues, financial instability & family relationship issues between MBM & DM and DM and MBM's family, as well as MBM and the kid's paternal family. LOTS of dysfunction going on there in that wee trailer, for sure.

Do any of those things point directly at either parent as being the cause of the disappearance of the kids? No, I don't think they do (on their own, and based on what we know) but I think they make it pretty clear things weren't great there even before the kids disappeared. Is it possible one or more of those red flags did have something to do with the kids disappearing? Yes, I think it's certainly possible. I'm just not sure how probable.

jmo

Exactly this .

Red flags or as I sometimes refer them to is, factors indicating a need for risk assessment.

There seemed to be indicators in the children's lives that when looked at as a whole or individually would imply a need to look closer as to whether these known risks to the safety of children where in any way related to a child disappearing

I cannot say they did contribute to lilly and jacks disappearance but if I cross reference these indicators with other cases I have interest in , there would be similar background , drug use in the home , unkempt and inadequate clothing, bruising , freedom to roam unsupervised at a very young age , financially unstable homelife , blended family's, anger issues , domestic violence, unsanitary living conditions and poverty.

Obviously people can fall into hard times financially and in isolation this would not be deemed a risk factor . Investigator's will look at the fuller picture and gain access to school reports ,social care ,bank statements, hospital and doctor visits , employment, family situation and criminal history etc . Which we see the rcmp have done here .

While the documents released give an insight into warrants applied for . We are not privy to the outcome of Investigations into the children's personal life's and history . Snippets have come through various channels but we don't know if those known indicators or red flags have spawned further investigations or are a closed book .

I am under no illusion as to what my limits are in regards to helping solve this case . I am of no help whatsoever as I don't have access to the children files or the investigation files themselves nor am I within the family or friend circle to be close enough to be a confidante but I would like to think after years of examining missing children's cases I can take an educated guess as to what the lead investigators are doing and trying to find out . I also feel I've seen enough of those risk indicators in other cases to know they may have contributed to jack and lilly going missing. Prehaps not the cause of their disappearance but certainly an effect that led to them being in a situation that was precarious to a healthy living situation.

IMO AND JMHO

 

[Bigditch]

*Hypothetically* CCB payments can be stopped due to overpayment situations. Which can become common in blended families with multiple children across different households. People can inadvertently claim the children in both households, then one party owes it back.

There's no hypothetical scenario in which a calculated elimination of the children would FIX any CCB issues. So speculation about it shouldn't give it too much significance. Not as a motive.

BUT recognizing it as a legitimate source of stress and conflict in relationships is important, I think.

I think this family unit was struggling, and I mean that in a sensitive and victim-friendly way. I've got the world's biggest soft spot for rural Nova Scotia working-class roughnecks. These are my people.

But knowing my people, I know that domestic violence is a real and pervasive problem here. We've had an epidemic of rural NS women murdered by their partners, with poor policing to prevent it. So I have a hard time figuring out how to bring that up as a hypothetical, in a victim-centred way that doesn't implicate people close to the victim.

dbm

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey folks,

Any further bickering, personalizing, or personal attacks in this discussion and members who post in that fashion may be removed from this discussion.

It is not necessary to respond to every single post or other members opinion by bickering. You're entitled to think otherwise about a member's opinion, but it is not necessary to attack them or be snarky. Please learn to scroll and roll without having to try to hammer your own opinion into the heads of other members

 

[su5ie]

The released warrant applications are for:

GPS tracking data, communication and other records from the cellphones of Martell and mother Brooks-Murray.
Video recordings from school buses operating in the area.
Electronic records from companies in Montreal, Toronto and Halifax whose names and purposes are redacted.
Banking records of Martell and Brooks-Murray.
TextPlus messages from May 1 and 2 of three redacted phone numbers. In other parts of the warrants, Brooks-Murray is said to have used TextPlus.
Video recordings from the Cobequid Pass tollbooths.
Closed circuit television footage from a redacted location.
New witness statements in Jack and Lilly Sullivan's disappearance are unverified: RCMP

I'm curious about the BBM. The other items requested in the warrant applications seem pretty obvious and expected. Wonder why those particular warrants are so heavily redacted.

Are electronic records companies data centres for mobiles and other tech or companies that hold electronic files of medical and other personal history files .

 

[Serononin]

The released warrant applications are for:

GPS tracking data, communication and other records from the cellphones of Martell and mother Brooks-Murray.
Video recordings from school buses operating in the area.
Electronic records from companies in Montreal, Toronto and Halifax whose names and purposes are redacted.
Banking records of Martell and Brooks-Murray.
TextPlus messages from May 1 and 2 of three redacted phone numbers. In other parts of the warrants, Brooks-Murray is said to have used TextPlus.
Video recordings from the Cobequid Pass tollbooths.
Closed circuit television footage from a redacted location.
New witness statements in Jack and Lilly Sullivan's disappearance are unverified: RCMP

I'm curious about the BBM. The other items requested in the warrant applications seem pretty obvious and expected. Wonder why those particular warrants are so heavily redacted.

I was curious about that too, particularly the ones in Montreal and Toronto (idk how far Lansdowne Station actually is from Halifax, but it seems fairly plausible that they would go there from time to time)

 

[Twistinginthewind]

There's more to the picture than meets the eye regarding DM and his actions and motives in the months leading up to his 4 and 6 year old "stepchildren's" disappearance, IMO, such as the reasons:

-- Their finances appeared to be so tight with 3 kids to provide for (and he has 2 other older children) while MBM was a "stay at home mom" not working outside the home and raising his toddler and her 4 and 6 year olds -- it could just be due to "lack of full time work" for DM without a running vehicle to get to a job from the remote locale where they lived, or it could have been by choice as in they had free housing and benefits and family support and were attempting to live the simple life and make do; however, his family was still struggling financially and their benefits had been reduced one way or another for one reason or another, which could have hamstrung his partner even more than before if he had anything to do with the loss of benefits (e.g., not filing his taxes in a previous year if true).

-- Their 2 older children who weren't DM's had had black eyes, he said he helped her take care of them when she was too tired or overwhelmed and was the only one who could control them / she couldn't

-- He was a loving stepfather to Lilly and Jack per his now ex partner -- but at the same time he was stern with them and had a voice they listened to.

-- He self claimed he was taking parenting, child safety and anger management classes / trainings through CPS or "for CPS" to clear his name, amongst other types of training -- which begs the question why CPS would be cited by DM as the reason he was doing these types of trainings (and others) if all was well with his parenting of Lilly and Jack (and Meadow) and child safety was not an issue or him managing his anger with the 3 children and his partner.

-- After 6 year old Lilly and 4 year old Jack disappeared, their mother moved out with his youngest, 1 1/2 year old Meadow, and immediately and since then has completely cut off contact with him -- which is indicative of a desperate escape to get away from him, IMO, but if he was not a threat to his family and her 2 older kids just silently wandered off (while their custodial parents slept in one morning they had off from school due to illness) and could be found alive and she had hope things could be worked out between them, then whyfore did she leave him?

JMO, paraphrasing from MSM articles linked upthread.

 

[tlcya]

Are electronic records companies data centres for mobiles and other tech or companies that hold electronic files of medical and other personal history files .

good question. no clue the stated reason for the warrants (what records are being requested) and the names of the company are a mystery for now

 

[su5ie]

good question. no clue the stated reason for the warrants (what records are being requested) and the names of the company are a mystery for now

I Googled what are electronic records companies and they manage data stored from our devices . So the RCMP's could have wanted to access data from icloud or textplus app and other data .