CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[OneLove]

Yes, but didn't the criminal people take over soon at the beginning. Sorry about the wording, crimes unit, and can the le mislead the public? It's not against the law for le to mislead is it?

It is definitely not against the law in the US for le to mislead. It is actually used often where investigations need more time to develop surveillance and insertions.

I know nothing about Canadian laws concerning ongoing investigations,though.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

‘We deserve answers’: Missing N.S. children honoured at candlelight vigil​

Jack and Lilly Sullivan disappeared from Lansdowne, N.S., on May 2​

Aly Thompson | CBC News | October 30 2025

"The vigil marked the first time that loved ones from all sides of Lilly and Jack’s family have come together since May. Tensions have been high since Brooks-Murray left her then boyfriend, Daniel Martell.... Lilly and Jack's stepfather.
....
Members of Brooks-Murray’s family, the children’s paternal grandmother and Martell all gathered for the sombre occasion as night fell over the rural Nova Scotia town, where a makeshift memorial has been growing.
....
Kent Corbett, who helped organize the event, said the RCMP had requested the memorial outside of the detachment be dismantled for the winter, to get it out of the elements.

Corbett said Amtek Ltd. in Alma, N.S., an electrical contractor, has agreed to display the memorial until spring or until there is a conclusion to the case."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/missing-n-s-children-honoured-at-candlelight-vigil-oct-29-2025-9.6960226

 

[Twistinginthewind]

DBM (repeat)

 

[Twistinginthewind]

N.S. missing kids: Stepfather believes Jack, Lilly ‘didn’t wander’ into woods​

Story by Rebecca Lau | Global News | MSN
"The stepfather of two Nova Scotia kids who have been missing for close to six months says he doesn't believe the siblings are in the woods near the family's rural home."

"I believe at this point in the case that they're not in the woods and they didn't wander into the woods," said Daniel Martell, who was in a relationship with the children's mother, Malehya Brooks-Murray, and lived at the home with the children.

"Speculations run wild. But I'd like everybody to know that I'm working with (the RCMP's) major crimes (unit) almost every day, just trying to figure stuff out."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/cana...into-woods/ar-AA1PvX1o?ocid=BingNewsSerp[/URL

 

[BCSleuth]

The thing is, we have the RCMP saying there was no vehicle, which basically rules out a stranger abduction. We have family passing multiple lie detector tests. Which yes, are not always correct but usually are. And then, of course, a massive search turned up no sign of them. So where does that leave us?

 

[Sjöberg]

So where does that leave us?

This is the million dollar question here.

Whether the kids are dead or alive, were murdered or died of the elements, I think one fact remains:
Canadian landscapes = very big. Two young kids = very small.
Two needles in a haystack.

At this point, I feel that it only will be solved when Lilly and Jack are found.

 

[twomoresmores]

I've mentioned this before and it feels relevant to bring it up again. Here we have DM saying he now feels the children are not in the woods. Yet iIRC he actually stated that on the day they went missing with MBM also asking for an amber alert (not the relevant course of action for children having wandered into the woods). They felt they'd been abducted. So why was DM's response to go wading through water and running ahead of the helicopter? Surely, after checking the *immediate* vicinity, you wouldn't necessarily do that if you were near sure they'd been abducted? It feels that actions and words didn't marry up in that specific situation, even taking into account initial frantic worry.
JMO.

 

[twomoresmores]

N.S. missing kids: Stepfather believes Jack, Lilly ‘didn’t wander’ into woods​

Story by Rebecca Lau | Global News | MSN
"The stepfather of two Nova Scotia kids who have been missing for close to six months says he doesn't believe the siblings are in the woods near the family's rural home."

"I believe at this point in the case that they're not in the woods and they didn't wander into the woods," said Daniel Martell, who was in a relationship with the children's mother, Malehya Brooks-Murray, and lived at the home with the children.

"Speculations run wild. But I'd like everybody to know that I'm working with (the RCMP's) major crimes (unit) almost every day, just trying to figure stuff out."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/cana...into-woods/ar-AA1PvX1o?ocid=BingNewsSerp[/URL

Apologies, this is the post I was replying to in the comment above.

 

[abanddb123]

Oh, just my opinion, I wonder if Canadian le can tell a person they pass a polygraph when they really didnt.

 

[abanddb123]

And the night before the kids went missing, these 2 people had no clue what the other was doing? Come on, when something doesn't make sense, well something is wrong. Again, moo. There is a chance maybe these 2 people lost tabs of each other, but what a big quinky dink this happens before 2 kids go missing. Not just one child, 2, at the same time.

 

[abanddb123]

No mention of mom being at the vigil. Why??? There is a reason.

 

[FromGermany1]

‘We deserve answers’: Missing N.S. children honoured at candlelight vigil​

Jack and Lilly Sullivan disappeared from Lansdowne, N.S., on May 2​

Aly Thompson | CBC News | October 30 2025

"The vigil marked the first time that loved ones from all sides of Lilly and Jack’s family have come together since May. Tensions have been high since Brooks-Murray left her then boyfriend, Daniel Martell.... Lilly and Jack's stepfather.
....
Members of Brooks-Murray’s family, the children’s paternal grandmother and Martell all gathered for the sombre occasion as night fell over the rural Nova Scotia town, where a makeshift memorial has been growing.
....
Kent Corbett, who helped organize the event, said the RCMP had requested the memorial outside of the detachment be dismantled for the winter, to get it out of the elements.

Corbett said Amtek Ltd. in Alma, N.S., an electrical contractor, has agreed to display the memorial until spring or until there is a conclusion to the case."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/missing-n-s-children-honoured-at-candlelight-vigil-oct-29-2025-9.6960226

Btw: Almost half a year and nobody seems to know, if the missing little girl now is "Lily" or "Lilly".

 

[Sarahlou]

Btw: Almost half a year and nobody seems to know, if the missing little girl now is "Lily" or "Lilly".

Her name is Lilly. To start with it was incorrectly spelled Lily in the media.

 

[FromGermany1]

Her name is Lilly. To start with it was incorrectly spelled Lily in the media.

Now look at the yellow memorial sign .....

 

[abanddb123]

Back to Daniel putting himself out there a whole lot. If I were in the same shoes, remember this is only my perception, I would be doing everything the investigators ask me to do. If I really had nothing to do with anything and pure of heart, I wouldn't be putting myself out there like Daniel. It would be different. He seems to care a whole lot of what people think, and if u didn't do anything, u wouldn't care what people think, especially as a parent. Is this why mom is so quiet, because she already knows something bad happened and now she is to get justice and maybe afraid for her own life or others? She knows they are not coming home alive and is in a state of grief and the investigators are guiding her? And if this is the case, I wouldn't give a crap what people thought of me. I wouldn't be out there defending myself. I would be broken. Make any sense?

 

[Slebby]

Focussing on the fact this is not one but two missing children…it’s a lot easier to believe different theories when considering only one child missing. But two?

I find it hard to believe two children wandered into the woods and perished with not a single trace of either of them to be found. The searchers were out soon enough, imo, to have found them on the first day.
Dogs detected nothing.

The idea that something happened in the home - by accident or DV - again, hard to imagine how 2 children would perish under these circumstances. One, easily, two, I don’t know.

I have never believed these children were abducted by a stranger. Stranger abductions are rare. This area is unpopulated and remote, not the ideal hunting ground for that sort of predator. Add the fact that two children are missing in this case, this fact adds doubt in my mind that this is a stranger abduction.

How then, do 2 children go missing? In my opinion, the reason 2 siblings go missing is because someone wants both. In other words, not a stranger abduction. So who is motivated to take 2 siblings? Obviously a bio parent or bio family member could be a good suspect. They’re not going to pick one child over the other. They’ll want both. But I think it’s safe to say this is an avenue LE must have explored extensively. Another theory handed around is someone has targeted these children to “rescue” them from their circumstances. Maybe someone saw L’s shiner and thought “something must be done”. But how does this someone escape the scrutiny of LE?

I also believe it’s possible for 2 children to be hit by a car. I have 2 big dogs. One day, I drove into my long acreage driveway, driving faster than I should. My 2 big dogs ran around a corner, and I had a sickening few seconds of skidding on slammed brakes, bracing myself for the crunch of bones, and narrowly missed both of the dogs (never drove in that fast again!) So I can see it’s possible to hit 2 kids on a road. A driver could panic and dispose of little bodies somewhere in the vast remoteness of the area, never to be found. I would hope this is an angle LE has explored as they’ve reviewed footage of vehicle traffic on the nearby roads.

This is where I lean at the moment - some sort of abduction by someone for whom having both children matters. Or, motor vehicle accident and disposal.

IMHO

 

[MistyWaters]

RSBM

And would those cams that may have footage NEAR the area in question have audio? I mean the cams that capture nearby areas, but not necessarily the areas the vehicle was, if indeed there was a (loud) vehicle moving about at that time.

In order to identify ‘vehicle activity’ during the nighttime, it would only be necessary to examine footage for any indication of headlights from a vehicle travelling on Garloch Road to and away from the Martell residence as opposed to total darkness during the entire time in question. In a relatively level area devoid of light pollution, headlights are visable from quite the a distance. If no vehicle could be identified, then its sound becomes inconsequential.

ETA. As the RCMP say they found no evidence of any vehicle activity on Garloch Road during the night (midnight to 5am iirc) that would also indicate none of the Martell vehicles left and came back during those same hours,
JMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

Back to Daniel putting himself out there a whole lot. If I were in the same shoes, remember this is only my perception, I would be doing everything the investigators ask me to do. If I really had nothing to do with anything and pure of heart, I wouldn't be putting myself out there like Daniel. It would be different. He seems to care a whole lot of what people think, and if u didn't do anything, u wouldn't care what people think, especially as a parent. Is this why mom is so quiet, because she already knows something bad happened and now she is to get justice and maybe afraid for her own life or others? She knows they are not coming home alive and is in a state of grief and the investigators are guiding her? And if this is the case, I wouldn't give a crap what people thought of me. I wouldn't be out there defending myself. I would be broken. Make any sense?

It makes perfect sense that you think you'd react completely different than DM.
I might too. Or I might not. I might be acting exactly like him. Or might have already done or said something I'd be raked over the coals for in the court of public opinion.
Either way, it doesn't matter since we're not the ones who's step kids went missing.

jmo

 

[Serononin]

One thing that does make me think they might have wandered is the statement from one of the parents in the recently released documents that Jack and Lilly didn't go wandering without an adult, except when DM's older children were there (the names are redacted of course, but in context it's easy enough to work out who they're talking about). Could they have tried to re-trace a route they previously walked with their step-siblings and got lost? Although I assume LE have already asked DM'S kids about where they walked with L&J in the past

 

[MistyWaters]

I doubt it. Municipal councillors are not privy to RCMP information during ongoing cases. They have no more info than we do. And they have as many opinions about this case as we have.

It makes for a reasonable explanation when the media chooses to add more context. This is an example of how they often just publish a flat out statement, cutting off any explanation, leaving readers to speculate what the person being interviewed meant by it.

N.S. missing kids: Stepfather believes Jack, Lilly ‘didn’t wander’ into woods | Globalnews.ca

A candlelit vigil was held in Stellarton, N.S., to mark Jack's fifth birthday. Lilly and Jack's stepfather says he now doubts the kids wandered into the woods as first believed.

globalnews.ca

“He, too, admitted he didn’t believe the kids were in the woods either.

“God bless the search and rescue people, but they’ve had so many people walk and they had the cadaver dogs in and they’ve got helicopters and everything. The majority of people that I talk to do not believe the little ones are in the woods,” he said.“