CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[Megnut]

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I love your post and really appreciate you sharing your observations.

I did wonder why new photos weren't being officially released or a presser with the parent wasn't held . Other than a few breadcrumbs of information regarding what has been done up until this point there is not really a public urgency from the RCMP

If they needed the public's help, IME they'd ask. They aren't asking. That tells me they got this.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I agree, the RCMP certainly isn’t giving any indication they are looking for a suspect or even looking for the children. For me that’s another indication the case does not involve criminality, aside from the fact the RCMP would never knowingly lie on documents presented to the court.

The fire bans in N.S. are beginning to get lifted, as autumn descends and leaves fall from the trees my lastest theory is the RCMP will announce another search along with cadaver dogs. This time the children will be found, their bodies within a tangled clump of trees, where they hid from everybody trying to find them, not far from their home.
JMO

It's specifically because they aren't naming any suspect that I'm watching and waiting. It takes time to build a convictable case, and I suspect they are in the trenches with that. Digital forensics.

No reason for LE to name a POI and tip their hat early.

POIs who are comfortable often keep talking.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I know it's tempting to think the children were squirreled away somewhere for safe-keeping but IMO LE would have a DUTY to ensure their safety. LoriDaybell was ordered iirc to produce the children (to LE, physical proofs of life) (which she could not do -- because they had been murdered -- for which she's serving multiple life sentences).

I have seen cases with missing persons (mothers, children, mothers with children usually) who had relocated. IME in these cases, LE makes an end statement -- such and such has/ have been found and are safe. No explanation for where or how. LE, satisfied. The public, appeased.

I think we would see that here, if the children were relocated. I don't see what benefit they'd be too keeping the secret (the person who relocated them). The only real time we see that IMO is when there's a harsh custody dispute and they've been sent underground, and that is almost always criminal (in violation of a court order, denying parenting time, etc).

That was not an issue here.

I want to be wrong. I want them alive and well, but those are rare threads.

JMO

 

[Serononin]

I know it's tempting to think the children were squirreled away somewhere for safe-keeping but IMO LE would have a DUTY to ensure their safety. LoriDaybell was ordered iirc to produce the children (to LE, physical proofs of life) (which she could not do -- because they had been murdered -- for which she's serving multiple life sentences).

I have seen cases with missing persons (mothers, children, mothers with children usually) who had relocated. IME in these cases, LE makes an end statement -- such and such has/ have been found and are safe. No explanation for where or how. LE, satisfied. The public, appeased.

I think we would see that here, if the children were relocated. I don't see what benefit they'd be too keeping the secret (the person who relocated them). The only real time we see that IMO is when there's a harsh custody dispute and they've been sent underground, and that is almost always criminal (in violation of a court order, denying parenting time, etc).

That was not an issue here.

I want to be wrong. I want them alive and well, but those are rare threads.

JMO

Very sadly, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the RCMP doesn't think the children are alive. If they were alive and LE knew where they were, there would be no reason to keep the investigation open. If they thought they were likely to be alive but didn't know where they were, surely they would at least have asked the public to keep an eye out for them?

 

[Megnut]

Very sadly, I think it's pretty safe to assume that the RCMP doesn't think the children are alive. If they were alive and LE knew where they were, there would be no reason to keep the investigation open. If they thought they were likely to be alive but didn't know where they were, surely they would at least have asked the public to keep an eye out for them?

Exactly. Tragically.

I think their mother came to that same brutal conclusion quickly and it's reflected in her actions and her silence.

Doing everything in her power to protect the remaining child.

JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

It's specifically because they aren't naming any suspect that I'm watching and waiting. It takes time to build a convictable case, and I suspect they are in the trenches with that. Digital forensics.

No reason for LE to name a POI and tip their hat early.

POIs who are comfortable often keep talking.

JMO

It would be highly irregular for the RCMP to name a suspect without charges to support it. It’s even unusual for them to name a person of interest and even then the only reason is usually because they’re unable to locate somebody who they want to talk to.

But to say they don’t believe criminality is involved suggests there is absolutely no suspect. If they believed otherwise they had the option of omitting their suspicions, that’s my thinking. Deliberately lying to a judge in a court document is serious and it would come back to bite them.
JMO

 

[Megnut]

It would be highly irregular for the RCMP to name a suspect without charges to support it. It’s even unusual for them to name a person of interest and even then the only reason is usually because they’re unable to locate somebody who they want to talk to.

But to say they don’t believe criminality is involved suggests there is absolutely no suspect. If they believed otherwise they had the option of omitting their suspicions, that’s my thinking. Deliberately lying to a judge in a court document is serious and it would come back to bite them.
JMO

Which court document?

 

[MistyWaters]

Which court document?

The documents recently released were all what’s referred to as ITO’s (information to obtain) which were presented to a Judge by police to authorize a subpoena. The reason the media is able to request the release is because they’re court documents which are public records, albeit their release allows the police the liberty of redactions.

Police court documents provide detail on Nova Scotia missing children case

Newly released court documents are revealing previously unreported details of the investigation into the disappearance of two young children from their home in rural northeastern Nova Scotia more than three months ago.

ca.news.yahoo.com

The information is contained in court applications filed by investigators for permission to conduct searches for phone records, banking records, and video related to the case.

 

[Inthedetails]

I know it's tempting to think the children were squirreled away somewhere for safe-keeping but IMO LE would have a DUTY to ensure their safety. LoriDaybell was ordered iirc to produce the children (to LE, physical proofs of life) (which she could not do -- because they had been murdered -- for which she's serving multiple life sentences).

I have seen cases with missing persons (mothers, children, mothers with children usually) who had relocated. IME in these cases, LE makes an end statement -- such and such has/ have been found and are safe. No explanation for where or how. LE, satisfied. The public, appeased.

I think we would see that here, if the children were relocated. I don't see what benefit they'd be too keeping the secret (the person who relocated them). The only real time we see that IMO is when there's a harsh custody dispute and they've been sent underground, and that is almost always criminal (in violation of a court order, denying parenting time, etc).

That was not an issue here.

I want to be wrong. I want them alive and well, but those are rare threads.

JMO

I agree.

For awhile, I hoped they were being hidden. But, if that happened, I seriously doubt LE couldn't figure that out and find them by now. Plus, the two children's faces are familiar to the public, and they seem like active, boisterous children - not easy to keep hidden without someone noticing.

jmopinion

 

[Megnut]

New Brunswick has been mentioned a few times as connected to this case. Maybe this was why. It illustrates how tips mentioned in the documents were used to obtain subpoenas in order to investigate the tip but often nothing comes of it.

Warrants in Jack and Lilly Sullivan case raise questions but have few answers

If there are clues for finding Lilly and Jack Sullivan in the warrant documents, they’re redacted. If there’s hope, it can be taken from the extent and thoroughness they show of the efforts by RCMP investigators and search and rescue teams who have been seeking the two missing Pictou County...

www.saltwire.com

“RCMP also received a report from an employee at a hotel in New Brunswick, the name and location of which are redacted, who claimed to have seen the children’s biological father, Cody Sullivan, with Jack and Lilly. The father, who has been separated from the mother since October 2021, told RCMP he was at home (location redacted) on May 2, didn’t know where the children were and had had no contact with Brooks-Murray.”

The documents recently released were all what’s referred to as ITO’s (information to obtain) which were presented to a Judge by police to authorize a subpoena. The reason the media is able to request the release is because they’re court documents which are public records, albeit their release allows the police the liberty of redactions.

Police court documents provide detail on Nova Scotia missing children case

Newly released court documents are revealing previously unreported details of the investigation into the disappearance of two young children from their home in rural northeastern Nova Scotia more than three months ago.

ca.news.yahoo.com

The information is contained in court applications filed by investigators for permission to conduct searches for phone records, banking records, and video related to the case.

Quoting you to bring the source/link forward.

To my ears, when an investigator says "at this time" it's because there will be a time.

No lie, no misrepresentation, just an accurate assessment "at this time".

I do see your point and you may well be right. It's deja vu for me though. I've heard/read sentences just like...

Ending in arrests.

My ear is to the ground.

JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Quoting you to bring the source/link forward.

To my ears, when an investigator says "at this time" it's because there will be a time.

No lie, no misrepresentation, just an accurate assessment "at this time".

I do see your point and you may well be right. It's deja vu for me though. I've heard/read sentences just like...

Ending in arrests.

My ear is to the ground.

JMO

Yes that’s true, investigators will never conclusively pin themselves to a single position as situations can change or evolve throughout the course of an investigation. It’s not proof they will change their mind, it’s standard police talk the world over. Always they use wording preempting every statement such as ‘at this time’, ‘we believe’, or ‘possibly’.

But between the dates May 2nd to July 16th, that the RCMP didn’t have reason to deem a criminal offence had occurred is amazingly remarkable as we here have saw reason to convict key people involved in the disappearance of the children upteen times over. This would’ve been the period when interviews were conducted and tips were investigated.

Did anything significant occur after July16th or is the position of the RCMP unchanged? I can’t think of anything. In a typical cases I’ve followed evidence of criminality is usually found right at the onset however police don’t disclose it until an arrest.
JMO

 

[OneLove]

This is a question only as I had seen it posted here but now cannot find it: Did the mom's bf (with whom they lived on his mom's property with his mom and his brother) admit to doing meth along with any other drugs besides cannabis? I can't find a clear answer to this.

 

[Slebby]

This is a question only as I had seen it posted here but now cannot find it: Did the mom's bf (with whom they lived on his mom's property with his mom and his brother) admit to doing meth along with any other drugs besides cannabis? I can't find a clear answer to this.

In the August 8th Globe and Mail, which is paywalled, DM admitted to meth use and other drug use. He also said he was attending Narcotics Anonymous meetings.

*edit to add - cannabis was not mentioned. FYI, cannabis is legal in Canada.

 

[OneLove]

This is a question only as I had seen it posted here but now cannot find it: Did the mom's bf (with whom they lived on his mom's property with his mom and his brother) admit to doing meth along with any other drugs besides cannabis? I can't find a clear answer to this.

In the August 8th Globe and Mail, which is paywalled, DM admitted to meth use and other drug use. He also said he was attending Narcotics Anonymous meetings.

*edit to add - cannabis was not mentioned. FYI, cannabis is legal in Canada.

Thank you for this! I am noting that the noxious fumes from cooking meth can be fatal to children and can also cause developmental delays. It is also most often cooked in the night to conceal the telltale fumes. I assume he has *not* admitted to cooking meth, though he admitted to using it. If cooking *was* going on, vehicles coming and going at all hours of the night might possibly have been buyers/holders ferrying it off grounds as it was produced.

Just something to ponder, since it's now public knowledge that he was no stranger to meth.

 

[FromGermany1]

I would like to know, if DM's neighbor heard the "5-speed-car" coming/going only this night, before the children disappeared, or also before already (by night, coming/going several times).

 

[su5ie]

This is a question only as I had seen it posted here but now cannot find it: Did the mom's bf (with whom they lived on his mom's property with his mom and his brother) admit to doing meth along with any other drugs besides cannabis? I can't find a clear answer to this.

Did janie have a boyfriend living in the camper with her ? Not seen a mention of this either that or it went swoosh right over my head

 

[lastkiss]

Did janie have a boyfriend living in the camper with her ? Not seen a mention of this either that or it went swoosh right over my head

I read that as talking about DM Suzie, although I could be wrong

 

[Slebby]

Did janie have a boyfriend living in the camper with her ? Not seen a mention of this either that or it went swoosh right over my head

No

 

[lastkiss]

I read that as talking about DM Suzie, although I could be wrong

Sorry I got your name wrong. Su5ie. Apologies.

 

[su5ie]

Sorry I got your name wrong. Su5ie. Apologies.

That is my name when I joined WS it wouldn't let me spell it as Suzie or susie so I had to use the 5 as an S