CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[MistyWaters]

Good questions, and recap of the day 2 days before they went missing, and day before they were last seen in public at the Dollarama.

It seems that week was quite different from most, in terms of Lilly and Jack's schedule/routine typically attending school Mon. - Fri, because they had a day off from school for "in service/development" of their teachers/staff starting mid week, and then their mother called them in sick to school thereafter.

It seems to me it was either a free flowing kind of week for them they all were enjoying, not having Lilly and Jack attending school after the first 2 days they had attended that week, their parents doing laundry and errands and shopping with their 3 kids in tow.

Or it's an anomalous set of circumstances that in the days leading up to their disappearance, they were not on their typical schedule or following their normal routine, IMO. And again, the hinky (IMO) timing for them missing school being the last days of the week before they were due to be assessed by their school regarding concerns they had, learning/behavioral issues or addressing potential neglect regarding them being underdressed previously, or otherwise.

If it was an enjoyable free flowing kind of week they took advantage of to go out and about and not have to worry about the older 2 kids attending school, even though they were too sick to attend school according to their mother:

Why would their parents choose to do all kinds of chores and errands and shopping if it meant their sick kiddos wouldn't be resting up at home, when neither of their parents were working during those days (except DM working a late night shift on one night), and one of them could have stayed home with them nursing their coughs?

Why would their entire family go grocery shopping so late in the day with young sick kids and a toddler in tow, getting back home after 10 pm (which is kind of late, IMO, for the bedtimes of sick 4 and 6 year olds and a toddler), when it wasn't necessary to do so? Unless DM not having a running car was a factor in them doing so much in those few days leading up to their disappearance but so late of an evening with littles in tow, one a toddler and two who were supposedly too sick to attend school?

It doesn't seem right, IMO, even though it could have been opportunistic on the part of their parents with one vehicle and two of the kids having been called in sick, to take advantage of the opening in their schedules for catching up on outside the home activities.

I don't necessarily know whether it's significant or not, what their parents took them along to do in those days leading up to their disappearance, staying out and getting home late 2 days before, doing laundry in the middle of the week, and with 2 sweaters of DM's "going missing" then or soon after.

But it still seems off to me, for them to be going out and about when their two older kids were too sick to attend school right before they disappeared.

JMO

“And again, the hinky (IMO) timing for them missing school being the last days of the week before they were due to be assessed by their school regarding concerns they had, learning/behavioral issues or addressing potential neglect regarding them being underdressed previously, or otherwise.”

Just a question, for the sake of accuracy. What is your source that the school was about to assess the children?

 

[Acedia]

“And again, the hinky (IMO) timing for them missing school being the last days of the week before they were due to be assessed by their school regarding concerns they had, learning/behavioral issues or addressing potential neglect regarding them being underdressed previously, or otherwise.”

Just a question, for the sake of accuracy. What is your source that the school was about to assess the children?

i think they mistook the CPS (canada's version whatever it's called) assessment the month before as something to do with the school. cant find anything regarding school assessment

 

[Twistinginthewind]

“And again, the hinky (IMO) timing for them missing school being the last days of the week before they were due to be assessed by their school regarding concerns they had, learning/behavioral issues or addressing potential neglect regarding them being underdressed previously, or otherwise.”

Just a question, for the sake of accuracy. What is your source that the school was about to assess the children?

The source was DM saying this in one of his interviews. I don't have a link at hand to the video, there are quite a few video interviews with him, and some are longish and not transcribed, so it was just something I remember him saying. IIRC he said their school had concerns about their development/potential learning issues such as autism, and they were due to be assessed by the school the following Wednesday.

ETA: In terms of them being underdressed at school previously and/or other concerns regarding potential neglect in addition to development/potential learning issues, here are a few links that speak to that to (BBM):

"A child protection worker visited the children's home in the months before their disappearance, The Globe and Mail reported. The visit came after concerns were raised by someone at the children's school, according to the outlet. The findings of the investigation are shielded by privacy laws."

MSN

"Why it Matters​

Belynda Gray, the children's paternal grandmother, said she believed warning signs may have been missed in an interview with The Globe and Mail.
Gray said she is seeking more information about how the government responded to concerns about the children's home life and how the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) handled the early stages of its investigation.
"I think the public has a right to know," Gray told the outlet."

Lilly and Jack Sullivan update: Grandma calls for inquiry...

Lilly and Jack Sullivan's grandmother called for a public inquiry into the disappearance of the children.

www.newsweek.com

"Months before early May 2025: Nova Scotia’s child protection agency investigated the living conditions of Jack and Lilly Sullivan due to concerns about developmental delays."

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[Twistinginthewind]

Good questions, and recap of the day 2 days before they went missing, and day before they were last seen in public at the Dollarama.

It seems that week was quite different from most, in terms of Lilly and Jack's schedule/routine typically attending school Mon. - Fri, because they had a day off from school for "in service/development" of their teachers/staff starting mid week, and then their mother called them in sick to school thereafter.

It seems to me it was either a free flowing kind of week for them they all were enjoying, not having Lilly and Jack attending school after the first 2 days they had attended that week, their parents doing laundry and errands and shopping with their 3 kids in tow.

Or it's an anomalous set of circumstances that in the days leading up to their disappearance, they were not on their typical schedule or following their normal routine, IMO. And again, the hinky (IMO) timing for them missing school being the last days of the week before they were due to be assessed by their school regarding concerns they had, learning/behavioral issues or addressing potential neglect regarding them being underdressed previously, or otherwise.

If it was an enjoyable free flowing kind of week they took advantage of to go out and about and not have to worry about the older 2 kids attending school, even though they were too sick to attend school according to their mother:

Why would their parents choose to do all kinds of chores and errands and shopping if it meant their sick kiddos wouldn't be resting up at home, when neither of their parents were working during those days (except DM working a late night shift on one night), and one of them could have stayed home with them nursing their coughs?

Why would their entire family go grocery shopping so late in the day with young sick kids and a toddler in tow, getting back home after 10 pm (which is kind of late, IMO, for the bedtimes of sick 4 and 6 year olds and a toddler), when it wasn't necessary to do so? Unless DM not having a running car was a factor in them doing so much in those few days leading up to their disappearance but so late of an evening with littles in tow, one a toddler and two who were supposedly too sick to attend school?

It doesn't seem right, IMO, even though it could have been opportunistic on the part of their parents with one vehicle and two of the kids having been called in sick, to take advantage of the opening in their schedules for catching up on outside the home activities.

I don't necessarily know whether it's significant or not, what their parents took them along to do in those days leading up to their disappearance, staying out and getting home late 2 days before, doing laundry in the middle of the week, and with 2 sweaters of DM's "going missing" then or soon after.

But it still seems off to me, for them to be going out and about when their two older kids were too sick to attend school right before they disappeared.

JMO

Replying to my post to add the following excerpts and link to an MSM article which touches on these and other aspects of the case (BBM):

"Two weeks after two young siblings vanished without a trace in rural Nova Scotia, experts are pointing to anomalies in what they say is an unprecedented case that deviates from a typical missing children investigation.
....
A few details stand out to Jeanis as unusual, including the children's absence from school that week. The children's stepfather, Daniel Martell, told CBC News the children were not in school on Thursday or Friday — the morning of the disappearance — due to illness. They also were not at school on Wednesday due to a professional development day.
....
Police will not say if anyone else had contact or saw the children in the days leading up to the day they went missing.
....
Michael Arntfield, a criminologist at Western University in London, Ont., called the case "unprecedented," saying it's highly unlikely for two siblings who live together to vanish when a parent is not involved.
....
The children's maternal grandmother, Cyndy Murray, has said police have advised the family against speaking to the media."

Experts point to anomalies in 'unprecedented' case of missing N.S. children

Two weeks after two young siblings vanished without a trace in rural Nova Scotia, experts are pointing to anomalies in what they say is an unprecedented case that deviates from a typical missing children investigation.Lilly Sullivan, 6, and brother Jack Sullivan, 4, have been missing since May...

ca.news.yahoo.com

 

[su5ie]

You just made an excellent and interesting point - they did laundry at MBM's grandmother's house. Very interesting since DM said 2 sweaters are missing.

Did this happen during laundry? When DM says the sweaters were taken, did he mean by MBM's family while laundry was happening or a home intruder? Did DM sneak away two sweaters from the laundry pile? Were those missing sweaters even part of the laundry that night? The timing of ALL events is curious, to no one specifically really.
.....

Days before disappearance​

The documents describe in detail how the family spent the days leading up to the disappearance running errands.

On Wednesday, April 30, all five, including Jack and Lilly's baby sister, went to Brooks-Murray's grandmother's house to do laundry at 2 p.m.

More than an hour later, Brooks-Murray took the baby with her to get a licence plate for her car while Martell stayed at her grandmother's house with Jack and Lilly.

According to the documents, "they went to the Ultramar in Millbrook to get gas and she stopped to get a vape for Daniel at High Grade."

The entire family later went for groceries and eventually arrived back home at 10:19 p.m.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

I wonder where the family where between grocery shopping done and 10.19pm .

 

[TMich6811]

Yeah I don’t know - so what if the search dogs turned up nothing I guess? And so what if your team doesn’t have cadaver dogs? If you can’t find the kids at this point and truly have no idea what happened to them why wouldn’t you use cadaver dogs just in case? Just seems kind of ignorant of them to not.

Unless they did and haven’t released it for some reason or know factually they never were in the woods

IMO and all that

 

[su5ie]

Yeah I don’t know - so what if the search dogs turned up nothing I guess? And so what if your team doesn’t have cadaver dogs? If you can’t find the kids at this point and truly have no idea what happened to them why wouldn’t you use cadaver dogs just in case? Just seems kind of ignorant of them to not.

Unless they did and haven’t released it for some reason.

IMO and all that

Yes on the one hand we have " it's not criminal and then on the other we have a police force not willing or unable to use cadaver dogs to find the remains of two children who imo couldn't have travelled outside of a 5 mile radius on foot in difficult terrain without something captured on a trail cam or road cameras .

After the intial search was called off and another one was done about 2 or 3 weeks later logic would indicate that was the opportune time to send them in . Bodies would have reached a point of peak decay so what was it that prevented or stopped LE including a cadaver dog at that point .

I get the feeling this case will go unsolved unfortunately although I do hold some hope for when hunting season begins that the remains are discovered by the increased footfall of hunters in pursuit of game

If an update or locating of remains hasn't transpired by end of October , I think it will go on a shelf until a new tip happens and we will hear noth8ng in the interim

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Yeah I don’t know - so what if the search dogs turned up nothing I guess? And so what if your team doesn’t have cadaver dogs? If you can’t find the kids at this point and truly have no idea what happened to them why wouldn’t you use cadaver dogs just in case? Just seems kind of ignorant of them to not.

Unless they did and haven’t released it for some reason.

IMO and all that

What I was trying to explain, maybe in a roundabout way, in my recent reply to the more detailed questions about LE not using cadaver dogs in their search, but it might have gotten lost in the sauce, is that I think it likely LE had gathered other evidence/intel indicating Lilly and Jack were not anywhere around their home, as to why they made that decision, IMO.

Some related excerpts from MSM articles (BBM):

From September 16:
"In theory, police can keep rumours at bay by keeping the public informed. But communicating openly can be risky when a missing-person case is still active. “Law enforcement always has more evidence than they share with the public,” says Michelle Jeanis, an associate professor in criminology at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette. “They want to hold back on information, for one, on things that they can’t prove yet, and they don’t want to tip off any potential persons of interest so that they change their behaviour if they’re watching them closely.”"

Four Months, No Answers: How Rumours Took Over a Missing Children’s Case in Nova Scotia | The Walrus

Since Lilly and Jack Sullivan’s disappearance in May, online sleuths have unleashed a storm of unwanted attention on their families

thewalrus.ca

From June 19:
"Martell said he'd like to see cadaver dogs — which are trained to pick up the scent of human remains — brought in to search the woods.
RCMP confirmed in a statement that cadaver dogs have not been deployed as part of the investigation.
"Any searches involving the dog will be based on information gathered through the ongoing investigation," the statement said."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/new-details-of-investigation-into-two-missing-n-s-children-revealed-1.7564451

From May 7:
"MacKinnon said that to date, cadaver dogs have not been a part of the search effort, but involving dogs that can identify human remains "could be the next step.""

N.S. police scale back search for two children, say little chance they are alive

LANSDOWNE STATION - Police have scaled back a search for two children reported missing from their home in northeastern Nova Scotia, saying Wednesday there's little chance they could have survived

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

"“The likelihood they are alive is very low,” Robert McCamon, RCMP’s major crimes unit, said.
If officials believed the pair were still in the forest alive, MacKinnon said that they would be out there searching.
Part of scaling back is limiting the number of people looking through the woods. Multiple times, officials referenced how thick the forest is. Even though they have said the searches have been “meticulous,” part of the scaled-back approach is to revisit some parts.
Police say they are not calling off the search. As of right now, RCMP said cadaver dogs are not on scene."

RCMP scaling back search for missing Nova Scotia children

Officials are scaling back the search for the two missing Pictou County children after a multi-agency response and days of looking through dense woods. “Probability of survival is taken into consideration,” Curtis MacKinnon, RCMP Staff Sgt., said of the decision. It has been six days since Lily...

montreal.citynews.ca

 

[OneLove]

I wonder where the family where between grocery shopping done and 10.19pm .

Do we have a time stamp on when they were last visualized at the grocery store and how many miles/kilometers is it from there to their home? Did they stop off at someone's house on the way home? Did they stop at the lumber mill?

That they didnt arrive home until after 10p seems to indicate they already were not planning on the kids attending school the next day despite being well enough for the long trip into town with multiple stops, unless of course they customarily kept the kids up very late at night and sent them to bed in their clothes already worn all day and then sent them to school in the same clothes. Maybe that alerted school employees to unsuitable conditions at home? And if the kids were left to wake themselves up, feed themselves, and walk to their bus stop alone, maybe that's why they routinely had inadequate clothing and/or outer wear for the weather?

This kind of neglect often indicates overwhelm on the part of parents, whether by drug abuse, physical illness, mental illness, intellectual challenges, or just disabling untreated depression.

Given the claims of late night "parties that were not parties", loud traffic coming and going through the nights, little *apparent* source of income, and the kids' obvious neglect, I'd lean toward drug abuse and even drug manufacturing and distribution. Also, taking into account DM's one night a week job at the mill and the possibility that he maintained the same wake/sleep hours through the week as for his job as many night shift workers routinely do, the fact he's admitted to meth abuse, that meth cooking is generally done in the middle of the night, and that exposure to meth cooking fumes causes developmental delays and even death in children exposed to them, the odds seem higher that this is the likely answer rather than that the kids wandered into the woods, especially without outerwear, without leaving a single trace of their scent that none of the multiple tracking dogs could detect at all.

My guess is this is already known and factored by law enforcement, investigators, intelligence profilers, and behavior analysts. Good solid evidence is needed to bring it all to closure so that the kids precious and short lives can be honored and memorialized. I hope their mother's love will at least allow that for her precious babies.

 

[Megnut]

What I was trying to explain, maybe in a roundabout way, in my recent reply to the more detailed questions about LE not using cadaver dogs in their search, but it might have gotten lost in the sauce, is that I think it likely LE had gathered other evidence/intel indicating Lilly and Jack were not anywhere around their home, as to why they made that decision, IMO.

Some related excerpts from MSM articles (BBM):

From September 16:
"In theory, police can keep rumours at bay by keeping the public informed. But communicating openly can be risky when a missing-person case is still active. “Law enforcement always has more evidence than they share with the public,” says Michelle Jeanis, an associate professor in criminology at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette. “They want to hold back on information, for one, on things that they can’t prove yet, and they don’t want to tip off any potential persons of interest so that they change their behaviour if they’re watching them closely.”"

Four Months, No Answers: How Rumours Took Over a Missing Children’s Case in Nova Scotia | The Walrus

Since Lilly and Jack Sullivan’s disappearance in May, online sleuths have unleashed a storm of unwanted attention on their families

thewalrus.ca

From June 19:
"Martell said he'd like to see cadaver dogs — which are trained to pick up the scent of human remains — brought in to search the woods.
RCMP confirmed in a statement that cadaver dogs have not been deployed as part of the investigation.
"Any searches involving the dog will be based on information gathered through the ongoing investigation," the statement said."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/new-details-of-investigation-into-two-missing-n-s-children-revealed-1.7564451

From May 7:
"MacKinnon said that to date, cadaver dogs have not been a part of the search effort, but involving dogs that can identify human remains "could be the next step.""

N.S. police scale back search for two children, say little chance they are alive

LANSDOWNE STATION - Police have scaled back a search for two children reported missing from their home in northeastern Nova Scotia, saying Wednesday there's little chance they could have survived

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

"“The likelihood they are alive is very low,” Robert McCamon, RCMP’s major crimes unit, said.
If officials believed the pair were still in the forest alive, MacKinnon said that they would be out there searching.
Part of scaling back is limiting the number of people looking through the woods. Multiple times, officials referenced how thick the forest is. Even though they have said the searches have been “meticulous,” part of the scaled-back approach is to revisit some parts.
Police say they are not calling off the search. As of right now, RCMP said cadaver dogs are not on scene."

RCMP scaling back search for missing Nova Scotia children

Officials are scaling back the search for the two missing Pictou County children after a multi-agency response and days of looking through dense woods. “Probability of survival is taken into consideration,” Curtis MacKinnon, RCMP Staff Sgt., said of the decision. It has been six days since Lily...

montreal.citynews.ca

That seems like a pretty strong indication that LE does not think a cadaver dog search at the home would be a fruitful us of resources, saying it without saying it.

I don't love the implications of that, but I'm guessing LE has information that points them in another direction. It could very well be CCTV or cellphone records which tell a different story.

When LE is silent, IME they're busy.

And I hope that means resolution is possible.

JMO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I wonder where the family where between grocery shopping done and 10.19pm .

Good question. I wonder if anyone has a summary of the May 1 timeline known facts/times for what they were doing all day and into the night, on MSM or of their own. I might have time to draft one up if there isn't already one posted on this thread. TIA if anyone knows where to start.

 

[Serononin]

Do we have a time stamp on when they were last visualized at the grocery store and how many miles/kilometers is it from there to their home? Did they stop off at someone's house on the way home? Did they stop at the lumber mill?

That they didnt arrive home until after 10p seems to indicate they already were not planning on the kids attending school the next day despite being well enough for the long trip into town with multiple stops, unless of course they customarily kept the kids up very late at night and sent them to bed in their clothes already worn all day and then sent them to school in the same clothes. Maybe that alerted school employees to unsuitable conditions at home? And if the kids were left to wake themselves up, feed themselves, and walk to their bus stop alone, maybe that's why they routinely had inadequate clothing and/or outer wear for the weather?

This kind of neglect often indicates overwhelm on the part of parents, whether by drug abuse, physical illness, mental illness, intellectual challenges, or just disabling untreated depression.

Given the claims of late night "parties that were not parties", loud traffic coming and going through the nights, little *apparent* source of income, and the kids' obvious neglect, I'd lean toward drug abuse and even drug manufacturing and distribution. Also, taking into account DM's one night a week job at the mill and the possibility that he maintained the same wake/sleep hours through the week as for his job as many night shift workers routinely do, the fact he's admitted to meth abuse, that meth cooking is generally done in the middle of the night, and that exposure to meth cooking fumes causes developmental delays and even death in children exposed to them, the odds seem higher that this is the likely answer rather than that the kids wandered into the woods, especially without outerwear, without leaving a single trace of their scent that none of the multiple tracking dogs could detect at all.

My guess is this is already known and factored by law enforcement, investigators, intelligence profilers, and behavior analysts. Good solid evidence is needed to bring it all to closure so that the kids precious and short lives can be honored and memorialized. I hope their mother's love will at least allow that for her precious babies.

One of the articles at the beginning of the thread said that they were seen at 2:25pm in New Glasgow on the 1st, but I believe the day they arrived home after 10pm was actually the day before, April 30th. I don't think we know what time they got home on the 1st, except that DM says he worked on the fence in the evening

 

[TMich6811]

What I was trying to explain, maybe in a roundabout way, in my recent reply to the more detailed questions about LE not using cadaver dogs in their search, but it might have gotten lost in the sauce, is that I think it likely LE had gathered other evidence/intel indicating Lilly and Jack were not anywhere around their home, as to why they made that decision, IMO.

Some related excerpts from MSM articles (BBM):

From September 16:
"In theory, police can keep rumours at bay by keeping the public informed. But communicating openly can be risky when a missing-person case is still active. “Law enforcement always has more evidence than they share with the public,” says Michelle Jeanis, an associate professor in criminology at the University of Louisiana at Lafayette. “They want to hold back on information, for one, on things that they can’t prove yet, and they don’t want to tip off any potential persons of interest so that they change their behaviour if they’re watching them closely.”"

Four Months, No Answers: How Rumours Took Over a Missing Children’s Case in Nova Scotia | The Walrus

Since Lilly and Jack Sullivan’s disappearance in May, online sleuths have unleashed a storm of unwanted attention on their families

thewalrus.ca

From June 19:
"Martell said he'd like to see cadaver dogs — which are trained to pick up the scent of human remains — brought in to search the woods.
RCMP confirmed in a statement that cadaver dogs have not been deployed as part of the investigation.
"Any searches involving the dog will be based on information gathered through the ongoing investigation," the statement said."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/new-details-of-investigation-into-two-missing-n-s-children-revealed-1.7564451

From May 7:
"MacKinnon said that to date, cadaver dogs have not been a part of the search effort, but involving dogs that can identify human remains "could be the next step.""

N.S. police scale back search for two children, say little chance they are alive

LANSDOWNE STATION - Police have scaled back a search for two children reported missing from their home in northeastern Nova Scotia, saying Wednesday there's little chance they could have survived

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

"“The likelihood they are alive is very low,” Robert McCamon, RCMP’s major crimes unit, said.
If officials believed the pair were still in the forest alive, MacKinnon said that they would be out there searching.
Part of scaling back is limiting the number of people looking through the woods. Multiple times, officials referenced how thick the forest is. Even though they have said the searches have been “meticulous,” part of the scaled-back approach is to revisit some parts.
Police say they are not calling off the search. As of right now, RCMP said cadaver dogs are not on scene."

RCMP scaling back search for missing Nova Scotia children

Officials are scaling back the search for the two missing Pictou County children after a multi-agency response and days of looking through dense woods. “Probability of survival is taken into consideration,” Curtis MacKinnon, RCMP Staff Sgt., said of the decision. It has been six days since Lily...

montreal.citynews.ca

Thank you

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Good questions, and recap of the day 2 days before they went missing, and day before they were last seen in public at the Dollarama.

Why would their parents choose to do all kinds of chores and errands and shopping if it meant their sick kiddos wouldn't be resting up at home, when neither of their parents were working during those days (except DM working a late night shift on one night), and one of them could have stayed home with them nursing their coughs?

Why would their entire family go grocery shopping so late in the day with young sick kids and a toddler in tow, getting back home after 10 pm (which is kind of late, IMO, for the bedtimes of sick 4 and 6 year olds and a toddler), when it wasn't necessary to do so? Unless DM not having a running car was a factor in them doing so much in those few days leading up to their disappearance but so late of an evening with littles in tow, one a toddler and two who were supposedly too sick to attend school?

It doesn't seem right, IMO, even though it could have been opportunistic on the part of their parents with one vehicle and two of the kids having been called in sick, to take advantage of the opening in their schedules for catching up on outside the home activities.

I don't necessarily know whether it's significant or not, what their parents took them along to do in those days leading up to their disappearance, staying out and getting home late 2 days before, doing laundry in the middle of the week, and with 2 sweaters of DM's "going missing" then or soon after.

But it still seems off to me, for them to be going out and about when their two older kids were too sick to attend school right before they disappeared.

JMO

RSBM:

To be fair, I am one of those parents who take their kids to run errands if kids are home sick! lol...

Of course, if they are docile, or have hard coughing I don't. But if it's a minor cold or tail end of a sickness where they are almost better I will take them out to get fresh air as I find fresh air really actually helps!

Especially if a home is prone to dust, allergens, etc. Our house gets so much dust, pollen, trees, flowers, fresh cut grass, etc. from the park behind us that we can get irritated at times.

Also, I find if we are all home - myself and my kids get "shack happy" where we can feel crowded (my kids are almost always in the same room me and dad are in and don't play in their rooms alone really) or just need a change of scenery and to get out and be moving.

Just showing the other side to this! I understand your point. Many parents will keep their kids home but I don't always MOO JMO

 

[Sjöberg]

Taking the kids along, now they're bad parents for "taking sick kids to the store". Had they left them home, they would be bad parents for "leaving kids unsupervised". Etc.

The absences right before going missing might be suspicious, I don't deny that, but I really don't think taking a kid with a "small cough" along to the store is anything unusal. Neither is missing school with a small cough if it is a singe schoolday inbetween free days (iirc, the setting was something like that).

 

[Twistinginthewind]

RSBM:

To be fair, I am one of those parents who take their kids to run errands if kids are home sick! lol...

Of course, if they are docile, or have hard coughing I don't. But if it's a minor cold or tail end of a sickness where they are almost better I will take them out to get fresh air as I find fresh air really actually helps!

Especially if a home is prone to dust, allergens, etc. Our house gets so much dust, pollen, trees, flowers, fresh cut grass, etc. from the park behind us that we can get irritated at times.

Also, I find if we are all home - myself and my kids get "shack happy" where we can feel crowded (my kids are almost always in the same room me and dad are in and don't play in their rooms alone really) or just need a change of scenery and to get out and be moving.

Just showing the other side to this! I understand your point. Many parents will keep their kids home but I don't always MOO JMO

Good point, I probably did the same when I had young children a time or two, if the circumstances warranted it.

But if there was an option for me or their father or a nearby relative to stay at home with them if they were too sick to go to school that day, we would default to that.

Maybe their defaults were different, but it still seems like one of the parents could have stayed at home with the sick ones and the other could have gone out and run errands with the toddler, unless DM's vehicle being out of commission somehow tied into that, or one or neither of them wanted to stay home with the sick kids.

JMO

 

[TMich6811]

Taking the kids along, now they're bad parents for "taking sick kids to the store". Had they left them home, they would be bad parents for "leaving kids unsupervised". Etc.

The absences right before going missing might be suspicious, I don't deny that, but I really don't think taking a kid with a "small cough" along to the store is anything unusal. Neither is missing school with a small cough if it is a singe schoolday inbetween free days (iirc, the setting was something like that).

I think they are crappy parents based off of reported info but this doesn’t phase me.

 

[su5ie]

The only positive about the kids being brought out and about while supposedly sick is we have a timestamp of last seen .

The parents and kids lives seem chaotic to word it politely and I suppose it's the sum of seemingly red flags that inhibits me from fully believing this is a straight forward wandering . At best it was neglectful ,at worse the actions of someone killed them or the timeline of the morning is heavily askewed for the sole purpose of hiding that neglect imo

 

[su5ie]

Good question. I wonder if anyone has a summary of the May 1 timeline known facts/times for what they were doing all day and into the night, on MSM or of their own. I might have time to draft one up if there isn't already one posted on this thread. TIA if anyone knows where to start.

The G&M article that contained the redacted documents has a good run down of what happened the day before on May 1st . It does not include earlier statement of DM repairing fence and a time was not given for that .

As far as I know this is also the day lilly got the black eye from the tonka truck . This is also why I would be interested to know if the witness seen the two children on May the 2nd from front facing or behind .

 

[su5ie]

Other than janie hearing and possibly seeing the kids after the grocery shopping have we got any other witness ( cctv or person) to verify a sighting of the kids after carpark footage . If not I would not take the word of someone who has skin in the game ( her son ) to verify the kids were alive on May the 2nd imo

How many grandmothers have lied to protect a son or daughter in similar circumstances on WS? It just creates a witness who cannot be seen as independent and for me it needs to be . Relatives can have many reasons to embellish or lie . A stranger does not moho

I just want to add I'm not judging janie personally I'm making my judgement on human behaviour and the difference a jury might make between independent witnesses and family as witnesses in a court of law as mostly any witness whom may have a vested interest would not be afforded much weight in decision making imo