CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[MistyWaters]

I think you misread my comment, I’m talking about one possible perception if they are not found, and this was in response to musicalnote’s comment about another perception if they are not found.
One perception could be that someone has gotten away with it, in the absence of bodies. The other perception is that it was a terrible accident, that they simply walked into the woods and perished, when in fact someone has gotten away with it.
Really, I’m not sure where anyone said they would want an innocent person prosecuted based on “opinion of the general public”. It should be obvious, no one wants that or has called for that.

IMHO

No I didn’t misread your comment, actually my mind was going somewhere else.

As with any murder case, it’s always possible someone may get away with it due to lack of evidence. But upholding the principles of our legal system “innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt” and all that IMO is most important, especially because the public will never see inside LE’s files if a prosecutor determines the case does not warrant charges. This is also what protects people from being charged and/or convicted when there’s no evidence to prove guilt. If there’s no evidence, it’s assumed they’re innocent.

Some of the followers of this case may be US citizens so just to add a general comment that in Canada public pressure to lay charges is never an issue because our police force, prosecutors or our judges are NOT elected roles, an important difference between the two countries.
JMO

 

[seasideForest]

Not likely, just wondering if there is any chance the platform under the bench seen in this video could be lifted up?

Anything's possible I suppose. But I don't know that the platform and bench are even on their property. Looks too neat. More like a public park or something. Near the end of the interview you even see a woman going by in the background with her dog.

MOO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I get what you're saying and I think it could definitely go both ways.

Either he's confident because he knows he didn't do anything wrong and felt he searched well or possibly a Freudian slip...

I agree it could go both ways, what DM said about being confident they wouldn't be found there on his family's (mother's?) 2 acre property.

Also depending on the context of the interviewer's (?) question he was responding to, which if I'm keeping up here, was redacted?

On the face of it at the time he said that, it could be as simple as it seemed on the date he said it, that perhaps he had done his ultimate best as a bereft stepdad having searched high and low in every spot he knew of they could have been hiding in or fallen into or where there was dangerous terrain on those 2 acres.

My property is of similar size and rural in nature.

About half of it I know like the back of my hand, and any signs of new or unusual disturbance would be obvious to me, and the other half I could search without much effort in a few hours time.

So I can relate to him saying that with confidence at the outset and having no doubt they weren't thereabouts after he felt he had thoroughly searched it all.

At the same time, he only had his own eyes to look with, and his own knowledge of the property, for IIRC the last 2 years (?) living there with his newer partner & kids.

As I did when I was super surprised to discover a new neighbor had been encroaching on the "way back" portion of my property while I was busy with other things and couldn't walk it all on a regular basis.

I didn't ever hear anything, see anything, or have any clue the new neighbor had cut trees, put up fencing and gates in the way back part of my property until months later.

When I happened upon it one sunny day when I had time and went beyond the acre around my house that I frequent to do some brush clearing and check on water flow in the swales that usually flowed away off the property and had become stagnant, because of changes the neighbor had made well out of sight that blocked the water flow in the swales to make a wallow pond for their ducks "because we weren't using it and they didn't think I would mind".

So just sayin, 2 acres of natural habitat surrounding my domicile was enough of an expanse for me not to know what was going on throughout it all for awhile.

And if DM's place & his mother & brother's were all on the 2 acres or they each had their own acreage as part of a larger parcel, with neighbors, we don't know I don't think.

But LE does, and are coming back to the area to search again with cadaver dogs, and I both hope and don't hope, contradictorally, they'll find something that they & DM might have missed in their initial searches for Lilly and Jack.

Still holding out hope they were spirited away by a good samaritan and are alive somewhere happier than ever, instead of being found deceased near home after wandering away.

MOO

 

[Sillybilly]

Please tone down attitudes and discuss the case, not other members.

Thank you.

 

[sunspun]

But even if he knows he didn't do anything wrong, he can't be certain the dogs will find nothing. We've heard over and over how difficult the terrain is to search, so there's no way he looked in every nook and cranny and can be 100% certain that the children are not in the search areas.

If his theory is still that the kids got out and wandered into the woods and got lost, that's even more reason for him not to be so certain the dogs will find nothing.

Am I missing something?

Hate to say it, but could he mean that he knows 100% that the children's bodies won't be found on their property simply because if they were, the smell would have given them away?

 

[Slebby]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/jack-and-lilly-sullivan-nova-scotia-youtube-true-crime-1.7642072

These types of shows mark an evolution in how people engage with crime and mysteries — it's never been more interactive. They create opportunities for those directly involved in cases to speak their minds.

But that comes with both benefits and pitfalls. While police say the discussions can and have led to real-world leads, they and other experts also raise ethical concerns about potentially reducing people who are already suffering to consumable and often monetized content.

 

[Ontario Mom]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/jack-and-lilly-sullivan-nova-scotia-youtube-true-crime-1.7642072

These types of shows mark an evolution in how people engage with crime and mysteries — it's never been more interactive. They create opportunities for those directly involved in cases to speak their minds.

But that comes with both benefits and pitfalls. While police say the discussions can and have led to real-world leads, they and other experts also raise ethical concerns about potentially reducing people who are already suffering to consumable and often monetized content.

This is my biggest issue with it, coupled with the fact nearly all of these true crime YT channels just toss around all the rumors and speculations as if any of them have any weight at all. The more outrageous, the more "bombshell" click-baity video thumbnails, the more clicks, the more the audience grows, and the more $$$ the channel host makes.

 

[Serononin]

I agree it could go both ways, what DM said about being confident they wouldn't be found there on his family's (mother's?) 2 acre property.

Also depending on the context of the interviewer's (?) question he was responding to, which if I'm keeping up here, was redacted?

On the face of it at the time he said that, it could be as simple as it seemed on the date he said it, that perhaps he had done his ultimate best as a bereft stepdad having searched high and low in every spot he knew of they could have been hiding in or fallen into or where there was dangerous terrain on those 2 acres.

My property is of similar size and rural in nature.

About half of it I know like the back of my hand, and any signs of new or unusual disturbance would be obvious to me, and the other half I could search without much effort in a few hours time.

So I can relate to him saying that with confidence at the outset and having no doubt they weren't thereabouts after he felt he had thoroughly searched it all.

At the same time, he only had his own eyes to look with, and his own knowledge of the property, for IIRC the last 2 years (?) living there with his newer partner & kids.

As I did when I was super surprised to discover a new neighbor had been encroaching on the "way back" portion of my property while I was busy with other things and couldn't walk it all on a regular basis.

I didn't ever hear anything, see anything, or have any clue the new neighbor had cut trees, put up fencing and gates in the way back part of my property until months later.

When I happened upon it one sunny day when I had time and went beyond the acre around my house that I frequent to do some brush clearing and check on water flow in the swales that usually flowed away off the property and had become stagnant, because of changes the neighbor had made well out of sight that blocked the water flow in the swales to make a wallow pond for their ducks "because we weren't using it and they didn't think I would mind".

So just sayin, 2 acres of natural habitat surrounding my domicile was enough of an expanse for me not to know what was going on throughout it all for awhile.

And if DM's place & his mother & brother's were all on the 2 acres or they each had their own acreage as part of a larger parcel, with neighbors, we don't know I don't think.

But LE does, and are coming back to the area to search again with cadaver dogs, and I both hope and don't hope, contradictorally, they'll find something that they & DM might have missed in their initial searches for Lilly and Jack.

Still holding out hope they were spirited away by a good samaritan and are alive somewhere happier than ever, instead of being found deceased near home after wandering away.

MOO

The more I think about it, the more I think that he wasn't making a literal statement about having exhausted every possibility of Lilly and Jack being on the property, but rather asserting his innocence - i.e. he's saying that he's 100% confident that the dogs won't find anything that implicates him

 

[Slebby]

This is my biggest issue with it, coupled with the fact nearly all of these true crime YT channels just toss around all the rumors and speculations as if any of them have any weight at all. The more outrageous, the more "bombshell" click-baity video thumbnails, the more clicks, the more the audience grows, and the more $$$ the channel host makes.

I dislike these YT wannabe journalists as well.
But as the article indicates, it seems some family members participate in these discussions, perhaps to feel like they are doing “something” and being heard. I see it as misguided, whether it’s DM or BG or anyone, but I sort of understand the desire to speak to anyone who gives them a platform. Sad.
IMHO

 

[su5ie]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/jack-and-lilly-sullivan-nova-scotia-youtube-true-crime-1.7642072

Chris Lewis: Amid criticism, RCMP have ‘pulled out all the stops’ in search for missing N.S. children

In the face of community and social media criticism, the RCMP have "pulled out all the stops" in the case of missing Nova Scotia children Lilly and Jack Sullivan, says CTV public safety analyst Chris Lewis.

www.ctvnews.ca

Taken from cbc article what do posters make of this when coupled with the belief by Martell that , cadaver won't find anything

 

[303gmf]

This is my biggest issue with it, coupled with the fact nearly all of these true crime YT channels just toss around all the rumors and speculations as if any of them have any weight at all. The more outrageous, the more "bombshell" click-baity video thumbnails, the more clicks, the more the audience grows, and the more $$$ the channel host makes.

The long ago days of newspapers and television news channels has evolved

Akin to choosing which channels, publications, magazines and TV in the past best informed, the same discernment applies to internet delivery.
Complaints don’t seem effective

 

[Megnut]

The more I think about it, the more I think that he wasn't making a literal statement about having exhausted every possibility of Lilly and Jack being on the property, but rather asserting his innocence - i.e. he's saying that he's 100% confident that the dogs won't find anything that implicates him

It's an odd statement. As you say, if he meant nothing that iimplications him, okay, but honestly, how could he know nothing would be found? If they were abducted, theoretically they could have been murdered, discarded and concealed over yonder. If they were abducted, they could conceivably been led to a waiting car, leaving potential evidence along the route. And if they wandered away, even if he doesnt think that's what happened, they might be found. Again, how could he know nothing will be found?

Drawing no conclusion, just noting it.

JMO

 

[su5ie]

It's an odd statement. As you say, if he meant nothing that iimplications him, okay, but honestly, how could he know nothing would be found? If they were abducted, theoretically they could have been murdered, discarded and concealed over yonder. If they were abducted, they could conceivably been led to a waiting car, leaving potential evidence along the route. And if they wandered away, even if he doesnt think that's what happened, they might be found. Again, how could he know nothing will be found?

Drawing no conclusion, just noting it.

JMO

I believe LE be also noting it .

Seems like an overly confident statement. Imo

 

[su5ie]

Any news on cadaver dog search date

 

[Slebby]

Any news on cadaver dog search date

I know it was said LE wouldn’t share this information publicly. But I imagine it will be difficult to keep quiet if there are police vehicles and handlers with dogs, descending on the area. Someone will notice and I am sure the media will not be far behind.
IMHO

 

[OneLove]

Hate to say it, but could he mean that he knows 100% that the children's bodies won't be found on their property simply because if they were, the smell would have given them away?

OR.... he is completely, totally, 100% confident because he knows with a sure certainty that they are elsewhere....

 

[musicaljoke]

Any news on cadaver dog search date

The police may be waiting until some of the forest floor vegetation dies back. It's pretty hard to know where to set one's foot when there is 20 cm of growth over everything.

 

[Serononin]

The police may be waiting until some of the forest floor vegetation dies back. It's pretty hard to know where to set one's foot when there is 20 cm of growth over everything.

I wonder how much of a window that will give them before it starts snowing?

 

[musicaljoke]

I wonder how much of a window that will give them before it starts snowing?

Yeah, it would always be a bit of a rush, both in the fall and again in the spring, although I think the spring would give a greater window of opportunity. But, every year is a bit different, so who knows. They won't likely have much time to search.

ETA, Cadaver dogs can have success searching through snow, so they may be able to search in the winter,

 

[Twistinginthewind]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/jack-and-lilly-sullivan-nova-scotia-youtube-true-crime-1.7642072

Chris Lewis: Amid criticism, RCMP have ‘pulled out all the stops’ in search for missing N.S. children

In the face of community and social media criticism, the RCMP have "pulled out all the stops" in the case of missing Nova Scotia children Lilly and Jack Sullivan, says CTV public safety analyst Chris Lewis.

www.ctvnews.ca

Taken from cbc article what do posters make of this when coupled with the belief by Martell that , cadaver won't find anything

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Wow, thanks for sharing this, su5ie!!

I wasn't aware DM had written this, about having info that would point fingers.

And wonder if "it's complicated" as to why he hasn't.

JMO, the plot keeps on thickening...