CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[Ontario Mom]

Have we seen non redacted polygraph reports or only what has been reported by msm? I might have missed the actual report and not just the impression of it

No, I don't recall ever seeing the actual report posted. But it's also possible I've missed it.

"According to the court records cited by CTV, Brooks-Murray and Martell were first given polygraphs on May 12. The couple were then given subsequent polygraph tests three more times during the investigation. In each session, Brooks-Murray's and Martell's results indicated they were telling the truth, according to the report. Additionally, the children's biological father, Cody Sullivan, was given a polygraph on June 12 and his answers were "truthful," the documents said."

Lilly and Jack Sullivan update: Polygraph test results revealed

The siblings have been missing since the beginning of May.

www.newsweek.com

Kind of wild but there were 8 different polygraphs done just with MBM and DM. And according to court records, both of them were telling the truth every time. To me, that says a lot.

This from the same article explains why so many tests were done:

"An unidentified investigator wrote in the court documents, cited by CTV News: "At this point in the investigation, Jack and Lilly's disappearance is not believed to be criminal in nature. I do not have reasonable grounds to believe a criminal offence has occurred. Because Jack and Lilly are still missing, polygraph examinations were conducted with the intention of ruling out that possibility."

 

[Bigditch]

I'm not saying this is the case, we really don't know much about their relationship.
But in my experience, some victims will purposely stay out of the way of their abuser to prevent doing 'the wrong thing'. All MOO

Exactly.

 

[Bigditch]

dbm

 

[TMich6811]

No we haven’t, notice my word ‘IF’. But we’d have to question the competence of police if we have reason to believe they were not interested in her action of leaving so soon. Seems basic policing 101 to me.

I don’t believe we have evidence of any reason to believe they were not interested in her action of leaving so soon

 

[twomoresmores]

This case is baffling. Whenever I think about it, I find myself going round in circles and finding no theory to be miles ahead of the others. I know we don't know everything that's been said or reported to LE, but I try to imagine that information and how it fits into different scenarios. I, like many others, will watch for the update with interest.

 

[Chimera]

Disappearance of Lilly and Jack Sullivan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"... The siblings' maternal grandmother Cyndy Murray spoke with The Canadian Press over the phone, stating that the family is hoping and praying for the recovery of the children. She also stated that police had advised the family "against speaking to the media".
Rbm.
If this is accurate, it may explain why MBM left early on and is silent ?

Also in every missing child case I've followed this is the first one , where LE told the family they could not hold a press conference and plead for the children's safe return; or give reporters information to get Lilly and Jack's pics and information out there.
It's difficult to believe LE would tell the family this.
Again if this is accurate, maybe C.M. misunderstood LE ?

Some families would ignore it in desperation and at least ask if they could hold a presser, or do anything.
Let people know what the kids are like, what their fav. tv shows are, afraid of bugs ? Fav. foods.
What IF they're alive somewhere ?
Omo.

When Jayme Closs went missing her family held a press conf. and even described her favorite coffee drink ?

From missing to found alive: A timeline of the Jayme Closs case

The search for Jayme Closs ended Thursday when she was found alive in northwest Wisconsin.

www.kare11.com

 

[Chimera]

This case is baffling. Whenever I think about it, I find myself going round in circles and finding no theory to be miles ahead of the others. I know we don't know everything that's been said or reported to LE, but I try to imagine that information and how it fits into different scenarios. I, like many others, will watch for the update with interest.

Agreed.

Very odd, one would think if they wandered off some trace of them would've been found by now ?
Also per my above post, apparently LW told the family to be silent and to not apeak to the media.
Random people or YouTubers/V-Loggers, etc., maybe.
But to not talk to the msm press ?.
Do they (LE) know something ?
Imo.

 

[Megnut]

Disappearance of Lilly and Jack Sullivan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"... The siblings' maternal grandmother Cyndy Murray spoke with The Canadian Press over the phone, stating that the family is hoping and praying for the recovery of the children. She also stated that police had advised the family "against speaking to the media".
Rbm.
If this is accurate, it may explain why MBM left early on and is silent ?

Also in every missing child case I've followed this is the first one , where LE told the family they could not hold a press conference and plead for the children's safe return; or give reporters information to get Lilly and Jack's pics and information out there.
It's difficult to believe LE would tell the family this.
Again if this is accurate, maybe C.M. misunderstood LE ?

Some families would ignore it in desperation and at least ask if they could hold a presser, or do anything.
Let people know what the kids are like, what their fav. tv shows are, afraid of bugs ? Fav. foods.
What IF they're alive somewhere ?
Omo.

When Jayme Closs went missing her family held a press conf. and even described her favorite coffee drink ?

From missing to found alive: A timeline of the Jayme Closs case

The search for Jayme Closs ended Thursday when she was found alive in northwest Wisconsin.

www.kare11.com

Which is precisely why I think they know the sad outcome. There was hope that JC was still alive. Perhaps that door is closed here.

Think ChrisWatts, and the video of his truck backed in...

If LE believed these children were still alive, IMO they'd be leading the campaign to het their faces and stories out there, and holding frequent press conferences, likely with please from family for their safe return.

LE doesn't appear to need help.

And that tells me what kind of ending were likely and sadly going to see.

JMO

 

[su5ie]

Disappearance of Lilly and Jack Sullivan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

".... Authorities have stated that there is no evidence that the children were abducted, but they have "not ruled out" that the disappearance is suspicious ...."
Rbm.

It was surprising that so early on LE ruled out kidnapping.
Since no trace of their scent was found the beyond driveway , why wouldn't that be a possibility.
I do have faith that the RCMP are doing their due diligence in this investigation.
Imo.

It is statements like this that throw the cat amongst the pigeons

How can you say on one hand that a disappearance is suspicious but on the other expect people to believe there is no possibility of abduction and a previous statement saying there is no evidence of the disappearance being criminal so its kind of a mixed message imo .

Couple that with silence from anyone that matters and it leaves a vacuum that is filled with thoughts and opinions on both sides of the fence .

I've read through the last few posts and I take into consideration what everyone is saying but my opinion on the silence of mum stays the same , yes she most likely has her reasons but are those reasons good enough to not give some statement. Even the most stalwart of persons would deem it strange .

Maybe it's embarrassment idk but not only is it her silence that's baffling but the fact no contact with the rcmp either is why I feel something is amiss here .

There is another case on here that I follow Darius McMacdougall and he has some connection to first nations and they have been vocal in wanting to do all they can to help , sending trackers etc why have none come forward to help for lilly and jack ?

5 months is a long time to not be seen to do anything, nothing ,not even distribution of flyers at the local mart .

Not allocating a spokesperson to speak on behalf of the kids either or even to field a one off Q&A .

I just hope the cadaver dogs pick up something otherwise it seems it will go down the route of other big conspiracy cases .

 

[Chimera]

It is statements like this that throw the cat amongst the pigeons


Maybe it's embarrassment idk but not only is it her silence that's baffling but the fact no contact with the rcmp either is why I feel something is amiss here .

Rbm.
Snipped for focus.

It was said earlier that the mother, MBM, had been cooperative with LE/RCMP; but I think it was DM who'd said that, or a relative of MBM's, and not the RCMP ?
This does not mean she contacted LE herself --aside from them having her do a poly -- but only that they haven't said she is not cooperative, if that makes sense ?

I looked for a long time for evidence of MBM cooperating with LE but haven't found where LE/RCMP said that, themselves.
As of now, it has not been said nor implied-- that either parent have been uncooperative.
So until then we wait for a break in this case.
Still on the fence as to whether something bad happened to them, either through accident or foul play, or they wandered off.
Imo.

 

[su5ie]

Rcmp stated they have no reason to believe the children are dead , so if they released that nugget to the public via msm ,do you not think they have stated that to MBM , so if we are to believe she is staying silent because she knows they are dead , where is that knowledge coming from . And if she has been told there's a possibility they are still alive . Why is she not active in trying to locate them , to get them back ?? Honest query

 

[OneLove]

I don't want to cross swords and understand she is a victim but dignity is a strong word imo

I would gladly give up any last shred of "dignity" I had and do anything and everything imaginable to get my kids back again...... IF there was any hope that was even remotely possible.

 

[MistyWaters]

Rbm.
Snipped for focus.

It was said earlier that the mother, MBM, had been cooperative with LE/RCMP; but I think it was DM who'd said that, or a relative of MBM's, and not the RCMP ?
This does not mean she contacted LE herself --aside from them having her do a poly -- but only that they haven't said she is not cooperative, if that makes sense ?

I looked for a long time for evidence of MBM cooperating with LE but haven't found where LE/RCMP said that, themselves.
As of now, it has not been said nor implied-- that either parent have been uncooperative.
So until then we wait for a break in this case.
Still on the fence as to whether something bad happened to them, either through accident or foul play, or they wandered off.
Imo.

BBM

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

The newly released documents provide summaries of five statements Brooks-Murray provided to the RCMP. In her first police interview, she described Martell as "an involved parent who would help her especially when she was overwhelmed."

She said he wasn't aggressive with the children but "he had a voice they would listen to."

Brooks-Murray told RCMP there was never any physical discipline.

In other sections where police summarized her account of their relationship, the document is heavily redacted.

 

[LadyL]

If MBM was so scared of D why would she stay in bed and let him take care of the kids that morning? She sure was trusting that mourning when Lilly came into the bedroom and let D handle things.

domestic emotional abuse isn't linear
lots of people are mentally abused or afraid of their partners but still co-exist
if he had a good history with the kids, why would she think he can't be trusted with them?
there's no evidence that he, mentally or otherwise, abused the kids\
(there's no evidence he abused her either, just to be clear)

 

[MistyWaters]

I hope its a very small part buried deep in the back of your mind

No one expects a grieving parent to give a running commentary to appease the public like some kind of morbid home video but it's 5 months without one word to thank the journalists for keeping the case in the spotlight, not one interview to state she misses them and just in case they were abducted as she originally felt a plea to let whomever might possibly have them that they are loved and wanted ?
I don't want to cross swords and understand she is a victim but dignity is a strong word imo

If the children were abducted, I don’t believe for a minute a 4 and 6 year old would’ve been glued to the TV waiting to hear their mommy express how much she loves them. If anyone was expecting her to do that, all I can say is it’s very wise for the RCMP to advise her not to speak to the media.

Maybe because I’m Canadian where public pleas are uncommon, but I really don’t understand how that would prove or disprove her love for her children. Do people like watching that sort of thing, someone’s raw and tortured emotional pain, through their tears? I will say I don’t, it’s as disturbing to me as watching someone with a bleeding wound. I don’t know, maybe in this country we’re kinder. The young woman already has experienced deep trauma by her children going missing, maybe she doesn’t want to put herself on public display where surely more judgement will follow, it’s her call.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

I would gladly give up any last shred of "dignity" I had and do anything and everything imaginable to get my kids back again...... IF there was any hope that was even remotely possible.

But you’re assuming there was a criminal element involved in their disappearance. The RCMP recently stated they’ve found nothing to indicate the children are dead therefore they’ve not found evidence to indicate anyone was involved in their deaths.

So it would be a natural progression to involve cadaver dogs to assist in determining if indeed the children perished in the forest, no foul play involved.

What value would it serve to give up your last shred of ‘dignity’ in advance of the RCMP’s plans to search?
JMO

 

[Colleen Donnelly]

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The young woman already has experienced deep trauma by her children going missing, maybe she doesn’t want to put herself on public display where surely more judgement will follow, it’s her call.

I agree with your entire post, but this hit me in the feels. The grief and despair cannot be measured, and she doesn't need it to be filmed for folks.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

But you’re assuming there was a criminal element involved in their disappearance. The RCMP recently stated they’ve found nothing to indicate the children are dead therefore they’ve not found evidence to indicate anyone was involved in their deaths.

So it would be a natural progression to involve cadaver dogs to assist in determining if indeed the children perished in the forest, no foul play involved.

What value would it serve to give up your last shred of ‘dignity’ in advance of the RCMP’s plans to search?
JMO

IMO as a parent, it is very very strange she has been silent since the day they disappeared. I definitely wouldn't be giving any thought whatsoever to my dignity but rather every ounce of my being to locating my child and in this case TWO of her children which IMO includes making public appeals.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

If the children were abducted, I don’t believe for a minute a 4 and 6 year old would’ve been glued to the TV waiting to hear their mommy express how much she loves them. If anyone was expecting her to do that, all I can say is it’s very wise for the RCMP to advise her not to speak to the media.

Maybe because I’m Canadian where public pleas are uncommon, but I really don’t understand how that would prove or disprove her love for her children. Do people like watching that sort of thing, someone’s raw and tortured emotional pain, through their tears? I will say I don’t, it’s as disturbing to me as watching someone with a bleeding wound. I don’t know, maybe in this country we’re kinder. The young woman already has experienced deep trauma by her children going missing, maybe she doesn’t want to put herself on public display where surely more judgement will follow, it’s her call.
JMO

The young woman already has experienced deep trauma by her children going missing, maybe she doesn’t want to put herself on public display where surely more judgement will follow, it’s her call.

I agree with this sentiment however she has been putting herself on display in social media pictures - you are right, it is her call but you wouldn't find many other missing children's mothers leaving the scene of the disappearance the day after, never to return and never to again address her missing children publicly. Its a very unusual set of circumstances which I think gives rise to people questioning.

 

[MistyWaters]

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I agree with your entire post, but this hit me in the feels. The grief and despair cannot be measured, and she doesn't need it to be filmed for folks.

Thank you for saying that. To me it feels as if observing people who are grieving put on public display is similar to morbid entertainment. As soon as it’s over, then comes the rush of judgement, was she sincere, did she or sound look guilty…it’s easy to forget these are real people, not actors in a movie.
JMO