CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[Lexiintoronto]

One of the cadaver dogs handler is a sergeant and other is an inspector, so they may have been within bounds to ask DM questions. Especially if both officers needed as much information as possible.

The officer asked what many of us are wondering about: the lack of details about the children from Thursday night until Friday morning.

As @Megnut pointed out above, Lilly had a cough and a new black eye, but no one bathed her, put fresh clothes on her and checked on her throughout the night?

 

[Megnut]

One of the cadaver dogs handler is a sergeant and other is an inspector, so they may have been within bounds to ask DM questions. Especially if both officers needed as much information as possible.

The officer asked what many of us are wondering about: the lack of details about the children from Thursday night until Friday morning.

As @Megnut pointed out above, Lilly had a cough and a new black eye, but no one bathed her, put fresh clothes on her and checked on her throughout the night?

Sick enough to stay home but no one is dosing cough syrup?

I'm still waiting on a credible narrative.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

One of the cadaver dogs handler is a sergeant and other is an inspector, so they may have been within bounds to ask DM questions. Especially if both officers needed as much information as possible.

The officer asked what many of us are wondering about: the lack of details about the children from Thursday night until Friday morning.

As @Megnut pointed out above, Lilly had a cough and a new black eye, but no one bathed her, put fresh clothes on her and checked on her throughout the night?

Also... the handler wasn't necessarily interview/interrogating the step-dad. May have been regular questions one might ask, especially one who is trying to get a handle on what happened, what's typical, what atypical, etc.

I don't know what happened in this case but I'm well aware of another where the man accused off his wife's murder couldn't fill in the critical hours with believable events, ftom 2 pm to 8 pm basically had dinner and went to bed -- with few embellishments.

IME A LOT happens in a young household in the compressed hours after dinner leading up to bedtime and mornings are busy too. Rare is sleeping in.

What did Lilly want, when she kept popping in? Sore throat medicine? Breakfast? Help with the TV remote? Help with little brother? Cereal? Help with milk? If Lilly was popping in, did he never see Jack? Never think to maybe check on a 4 year old? Was Lilly providing updates? I have questions.

PURE SPECULATION -- could cough syrup be the culprit? Too much? A little Babysitter Benadryl? A little too much?

Again, I don't know what happened here. In lieu of them being found, I'm just looking at possibilities. Thinking of similar cases... no foul play, foul play, accident.

JMO

 

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Nova Scotia RCMP say two teams with cadaver dogs searched a total area of 40 square kilometres but did not locate human remains in the search for missing children Lilly and Jack Sullivan.

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In an interview on Wednesday, Oct. 8, Daniel Martell detailed how the dog teams searched around the property and inside the home during the week of Sept. 22.

 

[OneLove]

In judging what's appropriate for anyone involved in this *investigation*, especially in mind it is an ongoing *investigation*. Anything can be said in the interests of recovering the children, as an investigative strategy. Getting closely involved people to talk more can provide new clues.

When polygraphs are conucted, public use of the term "passed" is routine as an investigational tool if needed. Its not hard to figure out why. No, investigators don't care one bit if naive ppl feel betrayed because they don't understand their techniques. Doing repetitive polygraphs can be a sign there were areas of concern in the previous one and each subsequent polygraph delves more into the areas of concern revealed by the previous polygraph. DM has had HOW many polygraphs now?

This is an ongoing investigation. Yes, anyone involved in the investigation can say anything they want in an effort to solve this case. This is not a social gathering.

 

[Megnut]

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In an interview on Wednesday, Oct. 8, Daniel Martell detailed how the dog teams searched around the property and inside the home during the week of Sept. 22.

Whoa.

A lot to unpack in that second video.

 I have been really wrong before (another thread) so I don't state or pretend to know what's right here...

But... how can he say all the searchers should have understood they're "not t/here"? They haven't been found so no one knows where they are. Unless someone does.

Then a long paragraph about summer ending and school starting, the community, the world, the students who will miss Lilly and Jack. (What about what Jack and Lilly are missing???) But then THIS: "[infant child] doesn't understand ... but some day she will." Understand what???? We don't even know the outcome. I mean, sadly, we can expect or assume they aren't conning home... but since they haven't been located, there's still that glimmer that maybe there's a miracle to be had, right? The sort of glimmer parents hang onto desperately, sometimes for decades, but he's forecasting that someday [infant child] will have to contend with "this".

My main question: if he doesn't know where they are, how can he know where they're not?

If he doesn't know what happened to them (lost, foul play, accident, abduction, dingoes), how can he be certain that nothing that occurred the night before isn't relevant? Why no new details to fill out the night before that was so "normal"? Why no repetition of the morning?

Lotta hand gestures (as well, arms folded across his chest). Chris Watts nervous energy? Or grief?

I still don't know what happened to Lilly and Jack.

But this interview left me with more questions than answers.

JMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

Here's a wild thought:

What if DM is telling the 100% truth about everything?

 

[Sarahlou]

Whoa.

A lot to unpack in that second video.

 I have been really wrong before (another thread) so I don't state or pretend to know what's right here...

But... how can he say all the searchers should have understood they're "not t/here"? They haven't been found so no one knows where they are. Unless someone does.

Then a long paragraph about summer ending and school starting, the community, the world, the students who will miss Lilly and Jack. (What about what Jack and Lilly are missing???) But then THIS: "[infant child] doesn't understand ... but some day she will." Understand what???? We don't even know the outcome. I mean, sadly, we can expect or assume they aren't conning home... but since they haven't been located, there's still that glimmer that maybe there's a miracle to be had, right? The sort of glimmer parents hang onto desperately, sometimes for decades, but he's forecasting that someday [infant child] will have to contend with "this".

My main question: if he doesn't know where they are, how can he know where they're not?

If he doesn't know what happened to them (lost, foul play, accident, abduction, dingoes), how can he be certain that nothing that occurred the night before isn't relevant? Why no new details to fill out the night before that was so "normal"? Why no repetition of the morning?

Lotta hand gestures (as well, arms folded across his chest). Chris Watts nervous energy? Or grief?

I still don't know what happened to Lilly and Jack.

But this interview left me with more questions than answers.

JMO

I agree. It was definitely strange to me that he said he knows 100% they won't find anything.

 

[MistyWaters]

Here's a wild thought:

What if DM is telling the 100% truth about everything?

Good question! Surely LE are not solely focused on DM as is mainly the case here.

I’ve wondered why Malehya told Police she thought biodad picked up the children and took them to NewBrunswick. LE also got a tip that he and the children were sighted in a NB hotel. However BG says Cody was asleep when LE arrived at her home the morning of May 3, the day after they disappeared.

So has anybody an idea why MBM would accuse Cody of kidnapping given he claims he had no contact with her nor the children for three years? It just seems unusual to accuse him of something so serious. IIRC Cody and BG live 1/2 hour away from the Martell residence. It’d be really odd if DM and CS were strangers, maybe did they go to school together?

Just a comment, on a list of who benefits from the children going missing, one is Cody since it relieves him from many years of child support payments.
JMO

 

[Megnut]

Anybody know, is there a structure for the station animals? Or are they free range? What are they fed? Grazers? Is there mealtime at the barn like cows and horses often do? Are their diets supplemented? And with what?

I can't shake that recent tragedy where the missing girl was located, deceased, in a feed storage barrel.

Gus, where are you?

jmo

 

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In an interview on Wednesday, Oct. 8, Daniel Martell detailed how the dog teams searched around the property and inside the home during the week of Sept. 22.

interesting that bit about the dog handler being suspicious of DM's lack of detail about their "normal" and unremarkable Thursday and DM's confusion about why people continue to ask for details about the day and evening.

Everything was normal, except by the next morning nothing was normal. It is valid to wonder what was happening in the days before the children went missing. He seems mortally offended by it. JMO

 

[Slebby]

Any fans of Tom Selleck in the Jesse Stone series of movies? He’s one of my favourite fictional police chiefs.
In one of the movies, Jesse is stumped. I always remember this line: “if you don’t like the answers you’re getting, check your premises”.
In other words, go back to the beginning and reexamine your assumptions and beliefs.
(Please don’t flame me for quoting a fictional cop, lol)
Have we been assuming everything DM says is true? Or MBM?
Have we been assuming the children sighted with the woman in the gold car was not in fact J and L?
Have we assumed the 5 speed “ear witness” is lying?
Have we assumed JM is truthful or remembering correctly that she heard the children that morning?
Etc.
If one assumption is removed, the case can look completely different.
It seems a good practice, for anyone with a bias, or a favorite theory, to take away one of their assumptions. The picture might look quite different.
IMHO

 

[MistyWaters]

Anybody know, is there a structure for the station animals? Or are they free range? What are they fed? Grazers? Is there mealtime at the barn like cows and horses often do? Are their diets supplemented? And with what?

I can't shake that recent tragedy where the missing girl was located, deceased, in a feed storage barrel.

Gus, where are you?

jmo

I’m not sure what you’re referring to by “station animals”? If it’s the name of Landsdowne Station, the origin of the name of the small community goes back to when it was a busy railway stop decades ago. I didn’t notice any indication that anyone in the area is involved in livestock production.

 

[teeby]

I’m not sure what you’re referring to by “station animals”? If it’s the name of Landsdowne Station, the origin of the name goes back to when it was a busy railway stop decades ago. I didn’t notice any indication that anyone in the area is involved in livestock production.

The comment you're referring to looks like it was intended for the thread about Gus Lamont, who is missing in Australia from a sheep farm called a station, and just ended up in the wrong place by mistake.

 

[MistyWaters]

The comment you're referring to looks like it was intended for the thread about Gus Lamont, who is missing in Australia from a sheep farm called a station, and just ended up in the wrong place by mistake.

Yes thank you, that’s it. No missing ranches!

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Regarding the possibility they were taken far

Here's a wild thought:

What if DM is telling the 100% truth about everything?

If he is, then, IMO, it begs the question why his partner of 3 years left him with their toddler in tow & cut off all contact & hasn't said boo about anything since the first few days after her 2 older children went missing "under his watch".

IMO, he "bleats too bitter", makes it all about him & how he did everything he could for those kids & MBM (he's a saint) & was the only one who could control them & is all alone now & doesn't know why he can't "see everybody", and his crocodile tears and demeanor since Day 1, seem to ring hollow.

IF he is innocent, he seems oblivious to how he comes off with his showboating & dogged certainty & proclamations the kids will not be found on his property, and is a victim of the worst circumstances with the worst luck coming down on him within the space of a few short days....

Losing track of his partner's 2 children he was such a good stepfather to & his partner leaving him for good out of the blue with his toddler.

IIRC, he doesn't have visitation rights with his 2 older children either, has issues with drugs, alcohol and/or managing his anger, and must be some kind of clueless/hapless "family man", for all his ex partners to treat him like a pariah and keep him away from them and their/his children.

We're not talking about a pillar of the community here, a well thought of dad just trying to do his best for the 5 kids he is/was responsible for.

He has admitted to taking all kinds of trainings "for CPS" since 2 of his custodial kids vanished to try and address his issues, including good parenting and child safety.

IF he's innocent, maybe he will turn his life around with the trainings, and due to all HIS family member losses, will finally wake up and smell the coffee that he has a long way to go in truly becoming a "good family man".

Instead of a man who does what he wants to in order to control his family situations, with at least some degree of neglect (& potential abuse, IMO) a big enough of a concern by CPS to have to visit the home, and offer him a slew of trainings AFTER the fact of their disapoearance.

It could be an uphill lifelong battle for him to improve his behaviors IF he wants to continue to be in relationships with women and children.

MOO

 

[Colleen Donnelly]

That longer recent video of Daniel just confirmed in my mind that he's being truthful.

Lotta hand gestures (as well, arms folded across his chest). Chris Watts nervous energy? Or grief?

When you're standing in front of someone speaking to them, for a 10 minute stretch, do you just stand there with your arms at your sides for the entire time? No. You criss cross them, fold them, hold one finger or hand, put hands in pockets etc

That handler put a nice amount of pressure on top of Daniel IMO. Daniel was of course going to tell media etal what that handler implied. Maybe that pressure focused solely on him will loosen lips. Not his lips, I don't think he or Malehya did anything to her children. JMO.

Also, for some folks, any amount of reward money won't be enough if the information will blow up a family. Or perhaps generations of a family. OMO.

 

[musicaljoke]

Whoa.

A lot to unpack in that second video.

 I have been really wrong before (another thread) so I don't state or pretend to know what's right here...

But... how can he say all the searchers should have understood they're "not t/here"? They haven't been found so no one knows where they are. Unless someone does.

Then a long paragraph about summer ending and school starting, the community, the world, the students who will miss Lilly and Jack. (What about what Jack and Lilly are missing???) But then THIS: "[infant child] doesn't understand ... but some day she will." Understand what???? We don't even know the outcome. I mean, sadly, we can expect or assume they aren't conning home... but since they haven't been located, there's still that glimmer that maybe there's a miracle to be had, right? The sort of glimmer parents hang onto desperately, sometimes for decades, but he's forecasting that someday [infant child] will have to contend with "this".

My main question: if he doesn't know where they are, how can he know where they're not?

If he doesn't know what happened to them (lost, foul play, accident, abduction, dingoes), how can he be certain that nothing that occurred the night before isn't relevant? Why no new details to fill out the night before that was so "normal"? Why no repetition of the morning?

Lotta hand gestures (as well, arms folded across his chest). Chris Watts nervous energy? Or grief?

I still don't know what happened to Lilly and Jack.

But this interview left me with more questions than answers.

JMO

This is why some people shouldn't speak to the media when a child goes missing. Perhaps the RCMP warned the children's mother of this, and she is keeping silent. No matter what you say, your words will be criticized. :/

 

[su5ie]

What cemetery is that? Looks like only forest behind his property.

We talked about it in thread one , I will go back and find the map and post

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Good question! Surely LE are not solely focused on DM as is mainly the case here.

I’ve wondered why Malehya told Police she thought biodad picked up the children and took them to NewBrunswick. LE also got a tip that he and the children were sighted in a NB hotel. However BG says Cody was asleep when LE arrived at her home the morning of May 3, the day after they disappeared.

So has anybody an idea why MBM would accuse Cody of kidnapping given he claims he had no contact with her nor the children for three years? It just seems unusual to accuse him of something so serious. IIRC Cody and BG live 1/2 hour away from the Martell residence. It’d be really odd if DM and CS were strangers, maybe did they go to school together?

Just a comment, on a list of who benefits from the children going missing, one is Cody since it relieves him from many years of child support payments.
JMO

I'm guessing MBM must have "heard something through the grapevine" in the first few frantic hours or days, regarding Lilly and Jack's biological father, and possibly him taking them to New Brunswick.

Where some witness/tipster allegedly told LE they thought they saw him with Lilly and Jack in a hotel in New Brunswick during the night/evening of the day they disappeared.

IIRC, LE looked into it and found no evidence the potential "sighting" at the hotel was them, and their father was contacted and said it wasn't him, he was at home that night, and his mother/their grandmother he lives with corroborated his statement.

As far as MBM's reasons to repeat what she may have heard, perhaps she was desperate for some scenario under which to tell LE their children could be off somewhere with a family member, their dad, unbeknownst to her, and not having wandered from home.

A "Something Anything" kind of thing, IMO, desperate times calling for desperate measures...

And hopes for a reasonable explanation rising on where they were, and someone else being involved who the 2 kids knew and would maybe go with willingly.

Especially if their home life with their mom, her partner of 3 years, and their toddler half sister wasn't great, and they wished to live elsewhere and/or someone(s) knew that or felt the same way & stepped in to make it a reality.

It's a bit difficult to believe 2 people (MBM perhaps via the rumor mill & the person who said they thought they saw them at a hotel) would both tell LE the same 2 things (they could be with their father in New Brunswick) without any credence to it.

Unless it was a totally made up from whole cloth / grasping at straws idea, rumor, guess, ruse, or red herring kind of thing that grew legs unintentionally, IMO.

IIRC, MBM later called LE back and said she must have been / was wrong / retracted her statement.

But I don't think the public knows if the person who said they thought they had seen them at a hotel in New Brunswick also retracted their statement or stood by it, and LE was unable to confirm.

It would be nice to know if there were indeed people who stepped in to spirit them off to a new safe home, and their father was perhaps somehow of assistance but had to deny it and must stay silent for whatever his reasons.

ETA:

Perhaps MBM heard what the person said they thought they saw that night at the hotel "through the wires", and it went like that, chronologically speaking...

And while LE was following up on what MBM told them could have been them being with their dad and having gone to New Brunswick, they were able to contact that person, and their follow up on both fronts dovetailed into nothing substantive as a lead and/or with no evidence of it being a reality as far as LE has been able to confirm.

MOO