CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[su5ie]

He really believes that the children never went into the woods, so logically, he would think that searching the woods is a waste of money and that resources should be directed into what he seems to believe was a kidnapping.

For all we know, he might be right, although LE has said there was no evidence of kidnapping.

Wandering into the woods is still the most likely reason and the simplest explanation for their disappearance. The woods in that area is absolutely unforgiving. If that was the way they went, it's possible that the children will never be found.

So occams razor , the simplest solution, they wandered ??? But the simplest solution is not always the correct one

 

[su5ie]

Unfortunately, the helicopters, heat sensor cameras and drones were of limited value because of the dense tree canopy. I wish that the pics turn out to be helpful, but I don't have a lot of confidence that they will show much.

I once seen a documentary, can't remember the name , where the film makers used night vision lens to film the roosting of a certain kind of bird . The canopy was fairly dense but one could see each bird from the flock clearly.

I wonder was similar night vision lens used on the drones and helicopter during the search

 

[su5ie]

I don't recall his initial comments but she definitely pleaded with LE to put out an Amber alert.

All along LE have said there isn't any evidence of an abduction. But the more I think about it, realistically I have to wonder, what evidence would there be? No one saw anything, no surveillance cams to capture anything, no strange tire marks in the drive way. According to all the adults there, they were there inside the trailer, then outside playing, then... gone.

More and more it does sound like it's a real possibility someone drove up, lured the kids into a vehicle, and drove away.

jmo

I wonder did LE base their assumption that it wasn't likely an abduction because of the isolation of the property but if that's all its based off , it seems to be a blinkered response because it was ruled out almost immediately and they have never spoke about the rationale behind that conclusion

 

[Serononin]

I wonder did LE base their assumption that it wasn't likely an abduction because of the isolation of the property but if that's all its based off , it seems to be a blinkered response because it was ruled out almost immediately and they have never spoke about the rationale behind that conclusion

I don't think they've ever fully ruled it out, there just isn't any specific evidence pointing towards that scenario

 

[MistyWaters]

I once seen a documentary, can't remember the name , where the film makers used night vision lens to film the roosting of a certain kind of bird . The canopy was fairly dense but one could see each bird from the flock clearly.

I wonder was similar night vision lens used on the drones and helicopter during the search

Thermal imaging, that’s the term I was referring to. It was used at night as well. It detects body heat.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/missing-children-lilly-jack-sullivan-timeline-1.7535707

“Four drones with thermal imaging technology are used at night to look for heat signatures in the woods.”

 

[MistyWaters]

I don't think they've ever fully ruled it out, there just isn't any specific evidence pointing towards that scenario

I agree. It was the demand for an Amber Alert that led the RCMP to declare there was no evidence of an abduction. In Canada the criteria for an AA is evidence to assist in identifying the abductor such as a minimal description of them and usually a vehicle so the public have some means to help by identifying the possible perp. LE didn’t have that as the family didn’t observe the children being taken away.

But the RCMP never said it’s impossible for an abduction to have occurred. There’s no way they could know that given the children have not been found.
JMO

 

[su5ie]

I don't think they've ever fully ruled it out, there just isn't any specific evidence pointing towards that scenario

I agree. It was the demand for an Amber Alert that led the RCMP to declare there was no evidence of an abduction. In Canada the criteria for an AA is evidence to assist in identifying the abductor such as a minimal description of them and usually a vehicle so the public have some means to help by identifying the possible perp. LE didn’t have that as the family didn’t observe the children being taken away.

But the RCMP never said it’s impossible for an abduction to have occurred. There’s no way they could know that given the children have not been found.
JMO

Was it not stated in later press releases that the rcmp didn't think it was an abduction.

My stance on it being said early on in the public realm is that it could have possibly stopped tipsters coming forward within that crucial twilight period. Like say the lady who spotted curl lady with tan / gold sedan . Did she not come forward a couple of weeks later . Whereas it might have gave a better lead had it been earlier

Like posters say the Canadian police forces play things close to their chest , I just feel in this instance re no abduction, they showed their hand to quick

I understand the reasoning behind no Amber alert and I fully agree . With no vehicle identified, potential witnesses would be chasing their tails

 

[MistyWaters]

Was it not stated in later press releases that the rcmp didn't think it was an abduction.

My stance on it being said early on in the public realm is that it could have possibly stopped tipsters coming forward within that crucial twilight period. Like say the lady who spotted curl lady with tan / gold sedan . Did she not come forward a couple of weeks later . Whereas it might have gave a better lead had it been earlier

Like posters say the Canadian police forces play things close to their chest , I just feel in this instance re no abduction, they showed their hand to quick

I understand the reasoning behind no Amber alert and I fully agree . With no vehicle identified, potential witnesses would be chasing their tails

I hadn’t noticed any comments from the RCMP regarding an abduction that’s not directly related to why an Amber Alert wasn’t issued, although from that it became loosely repeated many, many times on SM that police ruled out an abduction. It sometimes happens when one reads something over and over it becomes a fact of the case.

 

[su5ie]

I hadn’t noticed any comments from the RCMP regarding an abduction that’s not directly related to why an Amber Alert wasn’t issued, although from that it became loosely repeated many, many times on SM that police ruled out an abduction. It sometimes happens when one reads something over and over it becomes a fact of the case.

Illusory effect or Mandela effect

Illusory truth effect - Wikipedia

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Why Do Some of Us Share False Memories? The Mandela Effect, Explained

The Mandela Effect occurs when a large mass of people believe that an event occurred when it did not. Explore examples and possible explanations.

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Interesting article if anyone is interested in a 10 minute read

Fake or fact: how to recognise a conspiracy theory

Everyone is susceptible to misinformation or being led astray online. Here’s how to know when to follow your intuition or look for more facts

www.theguardian.com

 

[OneLove]

DM also stated he was waist deep in water searching at the onset.
>snip<
ETA On the topic of two lost children, I think it’s highly unusual that at least one wasn’t found.

According to the step-grandma Jack was strong-willed and just refuse to walk after he got tired.
JMO

Totally agree with your whole post (which I snipped to highlight these 3 points).

The thrashing through waist deep water got my attention way back when Daniel emphasized that very early on. That seemed strange to me then and more so now. I wish he would explain why that was his earliest "go to".

If the kids were not visible & submerged totally out of sight under deep water, prospects for finding them alive was about nil. If they were in the water and living, say caught in brush, they would be partly visible so he'd know they were there or not there, not requiring thrashing around in waste deep water just feeling for bodies. So why do that first before searching the woods for living children? It seems unlikely in that weather that the kids would go swim in the yucky muck but maybe? I couldn't help but wonder if maybe there was a reason for his needing his clothing to be wet and muddy.

While Daniel was avidly searching, what was their mom doing? Do we know?

 

[su5ie]

Four Months, No Answers: How Rumours Took Over a Missing Children’s Case in Nova Scotia | The Walrus

Since Lilly and Jack Sullivan’s disappearance in May, online sleuths have unleashed a storm of unwanted attention on their families

thewalrus.ca

Screenshot taken from walrus article

When I looked at the wording re abduction being ruled in or out , it would appear the correct quotation is . The RCMP have no evidence suggest abduction but they have not ruled out the disappearance as suspicious

 

[Twistinginthewind]

He really believes that the children never went into the woods, so logically, he would think that searching the woods is a waste of money and that resources should be directed into what he seems to believe was a kidnapping.

For all we know, he might be right, although LE has said there was no evidence of kidnapping.

Wandering into the woods is still the most likely reason and the simplest explanation for their disappearance. The woods in that area is absolutely unforgiving. If that was the way they went, it's possible that the children will never be found.

Good points!

But because no one knows what happened to Lilly and Jack...

And I'm a bit of a 'Doubting Thomas', cuz you never know....

I caveat what anyone says on this case who is close to it, like DM is, with an "IF"....

JMO

 

[Absoluterubbish]

OK, I've digested the court documents

Here is some things I noticed

MBM has given a good synopsis of what was happening on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday morning.

DM gives a somewhat unsure detail of Wednesday, Thursday, Friday but recalls more ss time went on

DM appears to criticise MBM as a mother when it comes to lilly and Jack and portrays an image of himself as super dad

MBM portrays DM as brilliant with lilly and jack but doesn't discuss his parenting role re meadow and portrays herself as over stimulated and overwhelmed

Both extended family members helped in the search but even though DMs family would be more familiar with the land it was MBMs family that found ' evidence "

Not all of the underside of the trailer could be searched but the majority was ,no mention of the underneath of janies RV being searched with a drone ,I understand it has wheels so prehaps there was a clear view

DM got into the vehicle after searching the immediate home and yard and began searching the wooded area on foot after driving around searching ditches ,roads and culverts.

Neither party were estranged from family . Prior to living in the trailer they lived with Maleyha's grandma ,the same grandma that gave her money for car ,groceries and gas .

When informed of lilly and jack going missing janies brother Ron called to the property but later went to town with his mother ,don't know if this is janies mum and dainiels grandma too

My opinion on extended family members witnessing the children on Thursday after dollarama . CM stated she saw the kids on video call . I wonder was it recorded or do we trust she is true to her word ? Janie hearing the children on Friday morning. She states she spoke to Ron at 8.48am and can't remember if she heard her dog barking before or after the call and she then heard the kids talking and laughing playing on the swings . She then falls asleep and was awoken by Daniel yelling for the kids .

One thing to note janie stated ,when she heard Daniel yelling she thought nothing of it at first as jack likes to search for bugs and stuff and Daniel would do that ( im speculating to mean yelling ) if he ( jack ) does . Is my interpretation wrong or would this statement appear to say yelling at jack and prehaps both children was normality?

DM stated when he leaves the house he brings his phone and keeps location on but when he first went out looking for lilly and jack in MBMs vehicle he did not have it with him . Understandable if you are anxious and panicked to find missing children but if one was thinking logically in a calmed sense they would bring the phone in case kids returned in the interim.

MBM states Daniel was getting annoyed with LE on first day .

MBM did not sleep much the first night . DM did prehaps tired from searching.

DM and MBM where fully cooperative in handing over phones ,banking information and anything else that would help investigators.

Lilly and jacks teacher ,never met MBM in person but spoke to her over the phone

When the kids went missing MBM made a comment to her mum CM stating " I told you they were autistic " . Being a mum myself to an autistic child I'm speculating MBM was stating the kids were a flight ( escape ) risk and by her use of the wording " see I told you " I'm assuming prehaps CM did not believe the kids had possible autism prior?

Sorry the post is long just wanted to bullet list the points that I felt might help when discussing the documents.

Wait, MBM had never met their teacher?????

 

[OneLove]

Wait, MBM had never met their teacher?????

Given the degree of their issues and also the involvement of child protective services (what do they call that in Canada?), that's, hmm, interesting. Add that to the other cues of a state of overwhelm?

 

[Absoluterubbish]

Given the degree of their issues and also the involvement of child protective services (what do they call that in Canada?), that's, hmm, interesting. Add that to the other cues of a state of overwhelm?

I agree, and even without issues I would say it almost unheard of for a mother to have never met her 4 and 6 year olds teacher/s.

 

[agent902]

DM also stated he was waist deep in water searching at the onset. But my initial point was I’d be really surprised if any areas with water were ignored entirely by SAR.

According to the RCMP documents:

the RCMP Underwater Recovery Team (URT) checked bodies of water in the area of Jack and Lilly's residence.30 The following is a summary:
a. On May 8, 2025, URT went to the area and checked the following:
i. Three ponds were checked the area of the campground and park near Jack and Lillv's house. The boat was placed in all three ponds and thev used sonar to confirm there was nothing in the lake;
ii. There was a pond that was not easily accessible that they could not put the boat in, it was not searched;
b. On May 9, 2025, URT went to Lansdowne Lake. They used sonar to check the lake and nothing was located
c. They checked all of the areas they believed were easily accessible to small children.
47.On June 19, 2025, URT did a further search in the area of Lansdowne, NS.31 The following is a summary
a. URT completed a search of the pond that had been done previously at the Lorda Campground. Nothing was located;
b. URT also checked a swampy pond related to a tip that was received that said the pond should be checked, but there was very little water and it not suitable for diving or any other tools available to them.

 

[musicaljoke]

I agree, and even without issues I would say it almost unheard of for a mother to have never met her 4 and 6 year olds teacher/s.

Knowing this helps to understand her need to get away from the home as quickly as possible when the police, searchers and media descended that first day. It makes me think that she may have an anxiety disorder related to people, especially people who are in a position to judge her. DM was probably the spokesperson for the family even before the children went missing. jmo

A couple of months ago, DM hinted at her fragile mental state and asked people to leave her alone.

 

[303gmf]

Knowing this helps to understand her need to get away from the home as quickly as possible when the police, searchers and media descended that first day. It makes me think that she may have an anxiety disorder related to people, especially people who are in a position to judge her. DM was probably the spokesperson for the family even before the children went missing. jmo

A couple of months ago, DM hinted at her fragile mental state and asked people to leave her alone.

I’m not buying what’s being sold
“Hinting at”
Months of DM utterings and still a vacuum

 

[Absoluterubbish]

Knowing this helps to understand her need to get away from the home as quickly as possible when the police, searchers and media descended that first day. It makes me think that she may have an anxiety disorder related to people, especially people who are in a position to judge her. DM was probably the spokesperson for the family even before the children went missing. jmo

A couple of months ago, DM hinted at her fragile mental state and asked people to leave her alone.

I have a severe anxiety disorder and still have met every single one of my 4 children’s teachers through every year of their schooling life. This stands out as very very strange to me

 

[Serononin]

Totally agree with your whole post (which I snipped to highlight these 3 points).

The thrashing through waist deep water got my attention way back when Daniel emphasized that very early on. That seemed strange to me then and more so now. I wish he would explain why that was his earliest "go to".

If the kids were not visible & submerged totally out of sight under deep water, prospects for finding them alive was about nil. If they were in the water and living, say caught in brush, they would be partly visible so he'd know they were there or not there, not requiring thrashing around in waste deep water just feeling for bodies. So why do that first before searching the woods for living children? It seems unlikely in that weather that the kids would go swim in the yucky muck but maybe? I couldn't help but wonder if maybe there was a reason for his needing his clothing to be wet and muddy.

While Daniel was avidly searching, what was their mom doing? Do we know?

BBM

According to her statement (mentioned in the document linked a few posts back) she stayed in the house to call 911 and look after the baby