CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[marloweclover]

For what purpose would any one car come and go that many times in one night? I'm at a loss. Imo not transactions of some kind, that would be different cars coming and then leaving.

 

[musicaljoke]

Hmmm... so, we have totally opposing stories. So far from what we know (and we don't know everything), we have
2 witnesses that say Daniel's car left his driveway (we don't know how Daniel defines 'the property' so does he mean the totality of both his mom's and his dad's property since he himself owns none?) , that his car stopped down the road within hearing distance, then returned, repetively, all before morning. And we have one witness, Daniel, who says it did not. Also, keep in mind that Daniel, when asked, was not able to recall what he did Wednesday, just the day before the "car in the night" reports.

Which car is Daniel's car? I'm not aware of a vehicle other than the new one that hadn't been registered yet.

 

[Puzzles]

Daniel?

Suspicion ambushed him immediately, from many corners, and he has been most cruelly vilified in varying degrees by multiple people since the inexplicable disappearance of Jack and Lily.

He is sad, confused, lonely, and frightened.

Yes, we may judge his self-defensiveness as proof of guilt. Were I standing in his shoes, I too would feel defensive, and act so, in a desperate need to be understood and believed. That is simply human nature

We even judge him for not knowing what the children wore to bed the night before they disappeared, and for not remembering what he did on Wednesday before they were reported missing.

If he were guilty, why would he not fabricate answers to those questions?

I like him. And I think he is speaking his truth.

Furthermore, I applaud him for facing the press, alone, again and again.

IMO, he does so not from grandstanding, but from a desire to remind us that five months on, his (step) children, whom he loves, are still missing.

May he be given all he needs to get out of bed and face another day.

 

[LivvyL]

I can’t see Daniel being involved. He comes across as naive and truthful to me. Maybe even autistic himself. Plus, didn’t he pass a polygraph?

 

[otto]

Daniel?

Suspicion ambushed him immediately, from many corners, and he has been most cruelly vilified in varying degrees by multiple people since the inexplicable disappearance of Jack and Lily.

He is sad, confused, lonely, and frightened.

Yes, we may judge his self-defensiveness as proof of guilt. Were I standing in his shoes, I too would feel defensive, and act so, in a desperate need to be understood and believed. That is simply human nature

We even judge him for not knowing what the children wore to bed the night before they disappeared, and for not remembering what he did on Wednesday before they were reported missing.

If he were guilty, why would he not fabricate answers to those questions?

I like him. And I think he is speaking his truth.

Furthermore, I applaud him for facing the press, alone, again and again.

IMO, he does so not from grandstanding, but from a desire to remind us that five months on, his (step) children, whom he loves, are still missing.

May he be given all he needs to get out of bed and face another day.

There's another angle to this that is coming from the mother's family. Her relative's theory is one that I've considered plausible - that someone in her family removed the children. Given their difficult financial situation, it's plausible, made more plausible because the mother took the infant and left as soon as her two older children were gone.

It's very unusual for a parent to immediately and permanently leave home as soon as a child vanishes.

"The records also show that police interviewed one of Brooks-Murray’s relatives, Darin Geddes.

Geddes ... put forward a theory that Malehya put the children in a vehicle and sent them away before reporting them missing.

“Darin Geddes has suggested in social media posts that Malehya may have been involved in their disappearance, but this is his theory. He has also suggested he might know the location of the children,” an RCMP investigator wrote.

On May 30, two RCMP members met with Geddes, who told them he spoke with Martell a few weeks after the kids went missing and also spoke with Patti Pearson, Brooks-Murray's grandmother, about the investigation."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-missing-children-court-documents-car-vehicle-9.6943179

 

[Hexe]

Hmmm... so, we have totally opposing stories. So far from what we know (and we don't know everything), we have
2 witnesses that say Daniel's car left his driveway

We have two witnesses who never actually saw that car coming and going. They claimed to recognise it by it's sound.

 

[OneLove]

We have two witnesses who never actually saw that car coming and going. They claimed to recognise it by it's sound.

Yes, this is true and important to keep in mind. Yet, I have had several different neighbors in different houses and neighborhoods over the years whose cars I definitely recognized by the sound. And one car I remember I could even tell which one of the couple was driving by the difference in sound generated by the difference in the way they drove.

Are these 2 witnesses believable? Its something to put in the "maybe, maybe not" basket but the fact that there are two telling the same story lends some weight to the believability. And, presumably, they have lived there long enough to recognize the sound of a car they have heard regularly over time and on that fairly isolated road, especially in the dead of night when there is no other traffic and the repetitive sounds remain close enough and loud enough to disturb the night's silence.

If only the car had GPS tracking, DM could put these witness stories to rest.

I do feel for him and all people who care about the kids and all who knew/know them. It must be horrible having something like this hanging over them all. Hopefully. a break is coming soon.

Somebody somewhere knows something and hopefully they will soon decide that telling what they know is better than being eaten alive with the hidden knowledge.

Bring Jack and Lily home. Lay this sad story to rest. ~♡~

 

[FromGermany1]

she probably drove Daniel's before it broke down JMO
I haven't seen any info that states she had to 'exchange' a car

bbm
Maybe, yes.

 

[303gmf]

My opinion on the oddness was formed from the situation prior to general public’s months of speculation simply by the lack of searching outside herself, most likely misheard as victim blaming here.
(mod edit)

 

[Sjöberg]

Can someone sum up all the facts we have for right now?

1. Lilly (6) and Jack (4) were reported missing on the morning (ca 10:00) of 2nd May 2025
2. Previously, in the afternoon (~14:30) of 1st May 2025 they are confirmed to be on a store CCTV in New Glasgow
3. During the first weeks, searches on the property and in the woods found a small child-sized footprint on the pipeline trail - it is not known, who was the child that left that boot print. An investigator's comment states in a July 16 document that "because Lilly's boot print was confirmed to be a size 11, it is consistent with the boot print located on the pipeline trail in the search area."

 

[MistyWaters]

Which car is Daniel's car? I'm not aware of a vehicle other than the new one that hadn't been registered yet.

I’ve searched and searched without success but I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Daniel’s vehicle was at his father’s place while it was awaiting repairs, had to do with affordability. It was probably in a paylocked G&M. Anyone else remember this?

 

[Mauig’ma]

I’ve searched and searched without success but I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Daniel’s vehicle was at his father’s place while it was awaiting repairs, had to do with affordability. It was probably in a paylocked G&M. Anyone else remember this?

This is the first I’ve heard of this. And I’ve read every post since the beginning. Would love to see the link claiming this. I think it matters where his vehicle was that night. I’ll do some digging and see what I can find. Ty

 

[MistyWaters]

This is the first I’ve heard of this. And I’ve read every post since the beginning. Would love to see the link claiming this. I think it matters where his vehicle was that night. I’ll do some digging and see what I can find. Ty

Thank you. IIRC it was mentioned in the only news report where DMs father was mentioned and how he sometimes helped the family out financially and that DMs vehicle was presently broken down. Maybe it was a video, drives me crazy when I can’t find what I think I remember..

 

[Ontario Mom]

We have two witnesses who never actually saw that car coming and going. They claimed to recognise it by it's sound.

It's possible I missed something but what I read was that one of the witnesses said it was Daniel's car, and the other just said he heard a car coming and going. From this article Documents reveal new witness statements to RCMP about missing N.S. children

Wong told police his house is at an elevated position from Martell’s home and he could also see vehicle lights over the treetops that night, the police documents say. Wong also said the vehicle left their address three or four times after midnight and into the early morning hours, according to the documents.

About a week after they spoke to Wong, police say they spoke to Justin Smith, the other nearby resident. Police say Smith told them on May 17 that he had spoken to Wong about the vehicle and that he also heard it in the early hours of the morning on May 2.

According to the documents, Smith said he later spoke with Wong, who told him the vehicle he heard early that morning belonged to Martell. Smith said Wong told him he had heard the loud vehicle come and go five or six times that night.

Smith heard a car, but didn't say it was Daniel's car. Wong DID say it was Daniel's & told Smith it was Daniel's. Wong also told two different accounts - one to the police that it came and went three or four times, and his account to Smith that it came and went five or six times. I don't know if Wong is the neighbor DM's mentioned before "trying to take the heat off himself" or however he said it but the impression this gives is that there's likely no love lost between these neighbors.

 

[Slebby]

In the Aug 8th Globe and Mail article (yes, paylocked, I’m a subscriber) the car is mentioned in the section touching on the tenuous financial situation experienced by DM and MBM. DM’s car needed repairs and he could not afford it. The car was undrivable.
IMO

Months after Nova Scotia children vanished, a clearer picture emerges of their lives before their disappearance

There are still few answers about missing siblings Jack and Lilly Sullivan, but trauma and stigma have left their families and community farther apart

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Slebby]

I believe saying the car came and went 3 times can mean it came (1 trip) it went (2 trips) and so on. Total 6 trips, or 3 coming, 3 going. Not necessarily inconsistent, imo.
I believe Wong has a more fulsome eyewitness report than Smith, but Smith’s report does corroborate Wong somewhat.
I honestly do not understand why there is such a push to disbelieve these witnesses. I’m not sure what they have to gain. Believing them is not, imo, tantamount to accusing DM and/or MBM.
I think it’s possible to sleep thru the sound of a car coming and going. I am a very light sleeper yet I have slept thru thunderstorms.
Is it not possible a vehicle was lying in wait for an opportunity to take the children??
IMO

 

[Ontario Mom]

I believe saying the car came and went 3 times can mean it came (1 trip) it went (2 trips) and so on. Total 6 trips, or 3 coming, 3 going. Not necessarily inconsistent, imo.
I believe Wong has a more fulsome eyewitness report than Smith, but Smith’s report does corroborate Wong somewhat.
I honestly do not understand why there is such a push to disbelieve these witnesses. I’m not sure what they have to gain. Believing them is not, imo, tantamount to accusing DM and/or MBM.
I think it’s possible to sleep thru the sound of a car coming and going. I am a very light sleeper yet I have slept thru thunderstorms.
Is it not possible a vehicle was lying in wait for an opportunity to take the children??
IMO

If DM's car was undrivable and sitting in his dad's garage, how is it neighbor Wong was so sure he heard DM's car the night before the kids turned up missing?

I think it's entirely possible both neighbors heard A car, but unless there's some info missing, it couldn't have been DM's car.

 

[MistyWaters]

I believe saying the car came and went 3 times can mean it came (1 trip) it went (2 trips) and so on. Total 6 trips, or 3 coming, 3 going. Not necessarily inconsistent, imo.
I believe Wong has a more fulsome eyewitness report than Smith, but Smith’s report does corroborate Wong somewhat.
I honestly do not understand why there is such a push to disbelieve these witnesses. I’m not sure what they have to gain. Believing them is not, imo, tantamount to accusing DM and/or MBM.
I think it’s possible to sleep thru the sound of a car coming and going. I am a very light sleeper yet I have slept thru thunderstorms.
Is it not possible a vehicle was lying in wait for an opportunity to take the children??
IMO

I don’t think there’s a push to disbelieve these witnesses. it’s just that we don’t know the outcome of the RCMP’s investigation of this tip.

A tip isn’t evidence of anything until it’s proven to directly relate to an investigation. Just the fact it was presented in an ITO, the RCMP must’ve known of a means to attempt to validate it.

There’s various ways for LE to validate tips they receive. For example did the tipster work and what was his work schedule to prove he was home at the time. Cellphone records might also prove he was at home at the time. Trail cams would validate a vehicle passing back and forth. When did DM’s vehicle become undriveable?

That’s what LE is referring to when they talk about investigating all tips.

 

[Bigditch]

There's another angle to this that is coming from the mother's family. Her relative's theory is one that I've considered plausible - that someone in her family removed the children. Given their difficult financial situation, it's plausible, made more plausible because the mother took the infant and left as soon as her two older children were gone.

It's very unusual for a parent to immediately and permanently leave home as soon as a child vanishes.

"The records also show that police interviewed one of Brooks-Murray’s relatives, Darin Geddes.

Geddes ... put forward a theory that Malehya put the children in a vehicle and sent them away before reporting them missing.

“Darin Geddes has suggested in social media posts that Malehya may have been involved in their disappearance, but this is his theory. He has also suggested he might know the location of the children,” an RCMP investigator wrote.

On May 30, two RCMP members met with Geddes, who told them he spoke with Martell a few weeks after the kids went missing and also spoke with Patti Pearson, Brooks-Murray's grandmother, about the investigation."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-missing-children-court-documents-car-vehicle-9.6943179

In the same article the constable describes Geddes behavior as confrontational, evasive ...

Doesn't exactly sound like the type of person who has Lilly & jack's best interest in mind.

 

[Bigditch]

I’ve searched and searched without success but I vaguely recall reading somewhere that Daniel’s vehicle was at his father’s place while it was awaiting repairs, had to do with affordability. It was probably in a paylocked G&M. Anyone else remember this?

Yes I do. A truck, I believe. It is in the video that shows D's father's place. The outbuilding with all the toys he keeps for the other grandchilren.