CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[TMich6811]

I would have to check docs later can't remember off hand if the method or app is given

It is possible it was the text+ app or do Canadians have WhatsApp?

Just wondering if that particular app would have any stored data from said call

 

[su5ie]

Do you remember how the video call occurred? Fb messenger? Or another app? I can’t remember if docs said

OK I've gone through the documents when cyndy called the DM ,mbm and the kids might not actually been at home , they were still on the road travelling home from new Glasgow.

I will post the document that states how cyndy and mbm communicated by phone but I think this time of the video call is very important imo

 

[su5ie]

What does it mean by Maleyha was shown at her missing visit in the above document

 

[TMich6811]

What does it mean by Maleyha was shown at her missing visit in the above document

I think I’m missing this in the doc

 

[TMich6811]

OK I've gone through the documents when cyndy called the DM ,mbm and the kids might not actually been at home , they were still on the road travelling home from new Glasgow.

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I will post the document that states how cyndy and mbm communicated by phone but I think this time of the video call is very important imo


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Looks like messenger which reportedly doesn’t record content and wouldn’t be able to be accessed

 

[MistyWaters]

OK I've gone through the documents when cyndy called the DM ,mbm and the kids might not actually been at home , they were still on the road travelling home from new Glasgow.

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I will post the document that states how cyndy and mbm communicated by phone but I think this time of the video call is very important imo


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Notice the footnote? It reads: on May 13, 2025, I listened to the statement of CM taken by Const M on May 13, 2025. I also reviewed the screenshot photo he submitted with the statement.

What screenshot I wonder? Maybe the times of the calls or an actual screenshot from Facebook Messenger of the children. Unfortunately another unknown.

 

[Bigditch]

I think I’m missing this in the doc

Post 1822, see 1. description of what happened on Thursday where it says, "Malehya was shown at a missing visit..." Should it say, "as missing a visit?"

 

[MistyWaters]

What does it mean by Maleyha was shown at her missing visit in the above document

Did you notice within the descriptions of that Thursday’s activities there’s numerous redactions making it appear the purpose of that trip to New Glasgow that day pertained to Maleyha? Exactly for what reason, they’re not saying.

 

[Bigditch]

Post 1822, see 1. description of what happened on Thursday where it says, "Malehya was shown at a missing visit..." Should it say, "as missing a visit?"

Did you notice within the descriptions of that Thursday’s activities there’s numerous redactions making it appear the purpose of that trip to New Glasgow that day pertained to Maleyha? Exactly for what reason, they’re not saying.

Med app., that was missed. Showed up the wrong day?

 

[TMich6811]

Post 1822, see 1. description of what happened on Thursday where it says, "Malehya was shown at a missing visit..." Should it say, "as missing a visit?"

Thank you. Sounds like she missed an appointment maybe

 

[su5ie]

I think I need to read the documents again much slower so many smaller details I've missed or just not retained the info . Would be helpful if I had a larger screen. Such a pain having yo zoom in and out on a phone screen

 

[Serononin]

I believe that "missing visit" or "missing data" is what a Google Maps timeline says when it knows that you stopped somewhere but for whatever reason didn't record where

 

[Bigditch]

I believe that "missing visit" or "missing data" is what a Google Maps timeline says when it knows that you stopped somewhere but for whatever reason didn't record where

So does Google maps have its own geo-fencing capabilities?

 

[Serononin]

So does Google maps have its own geo-fencing capabilities?

I'm not sure exactly what data Google Maps usually records because I don't use the timeline feature, I know RCMP were able to use it to confirm what time they arrived home on the Thursday, though. Google for Developers has a geofencing API, which seems like it's mostly for companies who want to trigger location-based ads

 

[TMich6811]

I believe that "missing visit" or "missing data" is what a Google Maps timeline says when it knows that you stopped somewhere but for whatever reason didn't record where

Googling confirms this, thank you.

Very interesting - seems like it can be due to lack of gps in the area or location turned off

 

[BCSleuth]

Do we even know they had cell service at their house? I don't think they did. So cells would not be tracked all the way.

However, LE likely has something much better: DM's google tracking. He said he had it turned on always. It keeps an amazingly detailed log of everywhere you have ever been and when. This could be verified against cell phone logs.

I will say also I consider it impossible for the two of them to be in on some nefarious scheme together. It just doesn't fit. There is evidence the relationship was strained and the split acrimonious. There is simply no way I believe they are covering for each other.

 

[Rapril]

I would have to check docs later can't remember off hand if the method or app is given

It is possible it was the text+ app or do Canadians have WhatsApp?

Yes Canada has WhatsApp

 

[OneLove]

However, LE likely has something much better: DM's google tracking. He said he had it turned on always. It keeps an amazingly detailed log of everywhere you have ever been and when.

EXCEPT.... when power saving mode is switchef on, Google tracking is automatically turned off. Only one button. One second on. One second off.

So even that is not sure evidence, unless power saving mode can somehow be tracked as to when it's turned on and off.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

IIRC from early on, MBM had an appointment that was scheduled on Thursday that she didn't attend, so she "missed a visit" to some sort of appointment the day before Lilly and Jack disappeared, and that afternoon "she & DM & family" were on CCTV footage at the Dollarama. Presumably "family" included all 3 of their children who were seen on the footage with a time stamp, which was the last time Lilly and Jack were seen alive.

Perhaps the store clerk didn't actually see but heard them in MBM's car, but they were seen on the parking lot video according to RCMP and that has been held up as a fact AFAIK.

Perhaps they didn't end up all together in MBM's car and arriving home at the time estimated by cell and/or Google, and their parents split up at some point in or around Glasgow due to MBM trying to go to an appointment on her own which it ended up she couldn't or didn't attend.

Perhaps even with better cell coverage in Glasgow than at home, MBM's (and DM's?) cell phone didn't have a data plan so wouldn't be able to be tracked in terms of location and movement if she only ever used the app for text & calls through the app & it wasn't set up for logging locational data -- the app she used at home when living with DM in Landsdowne she later deleted, within IIRC, 2 or so weeks after Lilly and Jack disappeared and she moved out and has since been living with her mother where there was presumably much better reception.

So she said she didn't need that app anymore, and IIRC, LE confirmed her reasons and the timing as legitimate, and that none of her app usage before their disappearance and after before she deleted the app provided anything of merit or was inconsistent with her testimony (paraphrasing, and not familiar with the app she used other than these overarching recollections from months before in MSM, and AIA can't link to ATM, but they're upthread).

Also, don't recall any details if provided publicly, what DM had or not in terms of a data plan on his cell phone, if he also used an app, if he had coverage she didn't when at home or in town which was better or not, etc., just that he said he always had Google GPS time tracking on his phone.

JMO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

RSBM

Like the Duggars and their "buddy system"

Yes, though I'm not that familiar with the Duggars, I think it could have been a micro version of that with Lilly the oldest living with Jack just 2 years younger, and Meadow, at 1 1/2 years old, perhaps being the focus of her bioligical parent's parenting energies with the older 2 attending public school and being closer in age.

And having come from the same biological parents and for a few years being raised by MBM & CS, and then together as young siblings they began living with DM as their mother's newer partner 3 years before, so when they were 3ish (Lilly) and 1ish (Jack), and then along came Meadow from a newborn to a 1 1/2 year old, their stepdad's daughter by their mother.

IMO, these circumstances of their upbringing, for little Lilly and littler Jack in the last 3 years living with DM and his family on their property with their mother and his daughterbcould have tightened the bonds between them, and Lilly could have felt she needed or wanted to take care of him and been more in charge of looking after Jack than may be typical in a family unit with 3 kids all of them their own.

It may not be the case here, but if it was, Lilly could have felt some pressure to keep Jack in line and/or off their custodial parent's radar, and/or out of harm's way as best she could, which could have led to her taking drastic measures, e.g., saying to Jack "Mom called us in sick, our parents are tired & sleeping in with Meadow, the weather is getting better, and we don't want to bother them, so let's go...
[Insert scenario under which they could have left home under their own volition] to keep away from any negative situation that may arise for now..."

I know this scenario is maybe somewhat adultified and unlikely and unproven, but it is a possibility, IMO, that things at home were not great for them, and perhaps they were planning to run away or meet up with someone, under which they disappeared because they could only take it so far/it was a fantasy which grew legs that they lacked the maturity and/or understanding of what it would look like in reality to escape their circumstances, and/or someone intervened on their plans and stopped them from going through with their plans for that day with parents having a lay in according to them, and they only had a cough that didn't stop them from taking advantage of some free time doing what they wanted.

JMO