CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[Bigditch]

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Items found ..tshirt and list of names

If the shirt does not belong to Jack (according to MBM's initial reaction), then the question becomes, is this a nature trail? Or something else?

 

[su5ie]

If the shirt does not belong to Jack (according to MBM's initial reaction), then the question becomes, is this a nature trail? Or something else?

Yeah strange place for a child's tshirt ? Prehaps it blew off a washing line and belonged to one of kids from one of the families along garlioch and landsdowne Road. .

I think it's a great idea that it was shown at least then if anyone does recognise it as belonging to their children it can 100% eliminate it other than that we have to trust mbm knows for certain it was not jacks

I can't help but cast my mind to it being difficult to ascertain what top jack may have had on him when he disappeared

 

[Greenestdays]

Looks like at different times the geocache was opened and notes wrote on different dates ???

Yeah, that’s how it works. It’s basically like a treasure hunt (popular worldwide), and when you find the treasure you log your visit.

 

[BCSleuth]

From the above linked video, it seems the searcher more or less echos what I said earlier. That it doesn't seem possible they simply wandered off and were not found. Here's a partial transcript:

Nick: Now that I've been here.... I'm even in my own mind... trying to comprehend how it could be possible, that these kids wandered off and they haven't been found. Especially after being in there, and seeing all the flagging tape, and hearing from all the property owners that we spoke with... what, what the searching has been done... I just... I'm having a really hard time fathoming that possibility now that I've seen it myself.

Interviewer: What makes you say that?

Nick: Many things but I think most importantly is... the amount of effort that search and rescue has put forward to try and find these kids, and how quick they were able to start that process. I just find it more unlikely, by the minute today, that it was... that they had wandered. I'm not saying it's not possible it's just I... I.... after seeing it I cannot understand how they would not have been found that first day.

 

[Bigditch]

The images are from the river now, not last May. And we don't know where along the river that was taken.

Here's a view of the "river" just downstream from the area near their driveway.

Google Maps view of so-called MIddle River

Thank you for the pics of the river. I still don't have a good sense how close it is to the Martell homestead, or how accessible it is from the road.

 

[su5ie]

From the above linked video, it seems the searcher more or less echos what I said earlier. That it doesn't seem possible they simply wandered off and were not found. Here's a partial transcript:

What the bloody hell is going on , this just get more confusing by the day

 

[thor124]

Thank you for the pics of the river. I still don't have a good sense how close it is to the Martell homestead, or how accessible it is from the road.

My understanding is that the "river" is 50-100m across the road from the home, but down what appears to be a 5m drop. It's not walking friendly, if I fell down that embankment I'm not sure I'd be walking up it. The forest in the area appears to be pretty heavy and impassible.

The impression I get from this forum is that many don't understand how dense the bush is or how poor and rural the area is. If there was more than one CCTV camera along the relevant stretches of road I'd be surprised.

Just my opinions and thoughts.

 

[Bigditch]

My understanding is that the "river" is 50-100m across the road from the home, but down what appears to be a 5m drop. It's not walking friendly, if I fell down that embankment I'm not sure I'd be walking up it. The forest in the area appears to be pretty heavy and impassible.

The impression I get from this forum is that many don't understand how dense the bush is or how poor and rural the area is. If there was more than one CCTV camera along the relevant stretches of road I'd be surprised.

Just my opinions and thoughts.

Would still like to form my own opinion on the waterway. I keep hearing it was across the street from where Lilly and Jack live, and down a ridge, but no one seems able to substanciate it with a photo, or a comprehensive map.

Are we to believe that Maheyla thought that's where he kids went and therefore asked Please Bring Me Home to search the area?

To me it sounds like gossip.

No offense, jmo.

 

[LookingForClues]

If the shirt does not belong to Jack (according to MBM's initial reaction), then the question becomes, is this a nature trail? Or something else?

You'd be surprised what can be found in a river, a stream, even a brook. People toss stuff into them all the time, especially if they are roadside. We have a stream that runs through our property and after spring thaw/runoff, we pull out clothing, furniture, roofing, siding, plastic water bottles, milk jugs. It's disgusting when you think about it. I'm not surprised searchers found a variety of items.

Also, looking at this river, there are a lot of downed trees and other natural obstructions for little bodies to become entangled in.

 

[MistyWaters]

If, by chance, the river was missed because it was firmly believed that the children would not cross the road, then an accidental drowning at the river is a significant possibility. From the photos of the river search, it looks like a substantial river. This is apparently the dry season. The spring run-off at the beginning of May, would have turned the river into a very dangerous place for two small children.

I’d be fully confident both sides of the roads were searched given the location of the home was right by the road, in fact the pipeline trail was searched quite extensively and it’s on the other side of the road. I hadn’t noticed it stated anywhere that it was firmly believed the children would not cross the road but I doubt anyone could know where they wouldn’t go since they weren’t found right away. My best recollection was that DM said they’d never been anywhere on the other side of the road. A proper grid search extends from a central point and in this case it was the home.

A search map can be found on this link but I’m unable to find what the colour coding represents. IIRC the green circle is the area that SAR searched.
JMO

RCMP scaling back search for missing Pictou County children

Despite public appeals, there have been no reports of sightings Jack and Lily Sullivan.

www.saltwire.com

 

[MistyWaters]

The images are from the river now, not last May. And we don't know where along the river that was taken.

Here's a view of the "river" just downstream from the area near their driveway.

Google Maps view of so-called MIddle River

But McLeod Road isn’t connected to Gairloch Road. Didn’t someone say Middle River runs past the intersection of Lansdowne Road in a culvert? If so unless it’s a humongous culvert it likely does not carry enough water at that point for children to drown in or for searchers to bypass. It’s a good thing we not in charge of water navigation as we have next to no information.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Why this search organizer says missing children's case is strange​

video:

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6981995

 

[BCSleuth]

Would still like to form my own opinion on the waterway. I keep hearing it was across the street from where Lilly and Jack live, and down a ridge, but no one seems able to substanciate it with a photo, or a comprehensive map.

Are we to believe that Maheyla thought that's where he kids went and therefore asked Please Bring Me Home to search the area?

To me it sounds like gossip.

No offense, jmo.

I posted a map and one other was posted as well. Removed by mods, I guess. And not sure where you got that gossip. Not here.

 

[BCSleuth]

My understanding is that the "river" is 50-100m across the road from the home, but down what appears to be a 5m drop. It's not walking friendly, if I fell down that embankment I'm not sure I'd be walking up it. The forest in the area appears to be pretty heavy and impassible.

The impression I get from this forum is that many don't understand how dense the bush is or how poor and rural the area is. If there was more than one CCTV camera along the relevant stretches of road I'd be surprised.

Just my opinions and thoughts.

I think this "underbrush" thing is way overblown. For the most part the forest is not dense and can be easily moved through. Plus there are paths and roads all over the place. This is not the Amazon jungle.

Video showing no underbrush. Yes, I know there is some in other places. But you can go around it. This idea they somehow got stuck in underbrush for 6 days is just not on.

 

[su5ie]

Have we anyone who has been to nova scotia and in particular landsdowne who can confirm the terrain and landscape, I'm finding it very difficult to find a map with an overhead view of this river and although its been stated how difficult the terrain was for searchers I know Janie stated in her msm interview that she used to go for walks within it with the children and in documents it is stated the kids could wander outside of their usual boundary when accompanied by I'm assuming/speculating DMs older two so how unsafe / un navigable was it .

I'm extremely visual and when view the picture of the searcher on Saturday transversely crossing the river I assumed that the river at times is a raging tor..rent of fast flowing undercurrent and rapids ? So one snapshot can be so misleading if others are not so sure if it's anything more than a stream or Brook in spring time

Edited to separate the word tor.rent meaning fast flowing seemingly it is recognised as a cuss word on ws ?

 

[su5ie]

Dbm

 

[Hexe]

So according to documentation mbm called her mum CM at 8.28am on Friday morning.

An interesting find.

 

[su5ie]

An interesting find.

I could be a mistake on my behalf I don't know as I can't verify it as fact due to me not remembering where the pic came from . I had put the screenshot it in a document folder and I would not have got it from SM but could have been second hand info

 

[MistyWaters]

I think this "underbrush" thing is way overblown. For the most part the forest is not dense and can be easily moved through. Plus there are paths and roads all over the place. This is not the Amazon jungle.

Video showing no underbrush. Yes, I know there is some in other places. But you can go around it. This idea they somehow got stuck in underbrush for 6 days is just not on.

The community centre in the video is at Union Centre. I think it’s misleading to assume the forest conditions around Lansdowne Station are exactly the same as at Union Centre, 15km away. IIRC it was suggested the search be on the river banks since the higher water might release the bodies down stream. As for how dense the underbrush in the search area was, those who volunteered with SAR ought to know.
JMO

Union Centre - Pictou County, Nova Scotia

Union Centre is a rural community located south of Westville. It may have been so named because it was one of the main crossings over the Middle River and thus a junction or centre of roads from East and West Rivers as well as of roads leading up both sides of the Middle River.

pictoucounty.net

Union Centre is a rural community located south of Westville near Middle River. It may have been so named because it was one of the main crossings over the Middle River and thus a junction or centre of roads from East and West Rivers as well as of roads leading up both sides of the Middle River.

BBM

Middle River of Pictou - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The majority of the watershed of the Middle River of Pictou is heavily forested. A section measuring approximately 8 km (5.0 mi) in length through the communities of Union Centre and Rocklin has some cleared land for small family farms.

 

[Chimera]

The RCMP has not ruled out abduction. What they have stated repeatedly is that there is no evidence supporting abduction. Something like a door forced open, a broken window, or a car taking off with squealing tires, for example. Those might suggest an abduction. But they have nothing that points toward an abduction. They don't know. That is not the same as saying they have ruled out abduction. They really haven't told us anything about the direction of their investigation. As far as we know, nothing has been ruled out.

Emphasis mine.
Agreed.
Esp. the bolded !

It would seem that they've decided from evidence available, that kidnapping is low on their list of theories though; and I wonder why.
It seems like IF they didn't wander off; then that's the next guess ?
Imo.