CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[Fabled Automatic]

I'm on the same page but I also know the officers are at pains to say all 7 people that took the polygraph are being truthful but I don't rule out someone being able to lie under pressure

I personally don't think mbm has any involvement.

I don't think it would be unreasonable for the RCMP to say people passed the poly when they in fact hadn't, hoping someone might get cocky and hang themselves with their words.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I don't think it would be unreasonable for the RCMP to say people passed the poly when they in fact hadn't, hoping someone might get cocky and hang themselves with their words.

I always thought that's why they use them in the first place and talk about it in the media, or to suspects, etc. As bait! Or give a POI some bravado. MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

I always thought that's why they use them in the first place and talk about it in the media, or to suspects, etc. As bait! Or give a POI some bravado. MOO

It wasn’t bait. The topic of polygraphs came from the documents presented to a Judge to obtain subpoenas, then later obtained by the media through public access legislation. The information in those documents must be accurate.

If people choose to believe the RCMP doesn’t have reliable polygraph experience thats okay. They’re merely a tool investigators use, and we are all aware passing or even failing doesn’t conclusively prove or disprove anybody’s guilt anyway.

Interesting to think about how parents are always the first suspects and in this case suspicion has never really moved beyond them since the circle of possibilities the we know of is very small. I’m always reminded of some cases where the public has been totally wrong since we are seldom aware of any or much of the evidence. What I look forward to is eventually learning who’s legally proven to be guilty in a court of law, not guilt by speculation.

I’m beginning to wonder if/when an arrest will be announced, perhaps the accused will be somebody never publicly connected with this case, but not a stranger to the family either. JMO

 

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[su5ie]

It wasn’t bait. The topic of polygraphs came from the documents presented to a Judge to obtain subpoenas, then later obtained by the media through public access legislation. The information in those documents must be accurate.

If people choose to believe the RCMP doesn’t have reliable polygraph experience thats okay. They’re merely a tool investigators use, and we are all aware passing or even failing doesn’t conclusively prove or disprove anybody’s guilt anyway.

Interesting to think about how parents are always the first suspects and in this case suspicion has never really moved beyond them since the circle of possibilities the we know of is very small. I’m always reminded of some cases where the public has been totally wrong since we are seldom aware of any or much of the evidence. What I look forward to is eventually learning who’s legally proven to be guilty in a court of law, not guilt by speculation.

I’m beginning to wonder if/when an arrest will be announced, perhaps the accused will be somebody never publicly connected with this case, but not a stranger to the family either. JMO

I've previously thought the kids could have been intercepted in the woods by someone who then committed a crime against them . Its just another possibility in a lot of unknowns

I do however think it's interesting that prehaps now with the he did she did articles coming out stuff may be revealed through the mud slinging if it really picks up a notch

Can't imagine either party be happy about the reveals in both articles

Maleyha saying Daniel was abusive and him stating its not true and she is making it up

DM is more of a talker so I expect some wanting to save face coming from him on socials even if not in msm

 

[Lalalacasbah]

It wasn’t bait. The topic of polygraphs came from the documents presented to a Judge to obtain subpoenas, then later obtained by the media through public access legislation. The information in those documents must be accurate.

If people choose to believe the RCMP doesn’t have reliable polygraph experience thats okay. They’re merely a tool investigators use, and we are all aware passing or even failing doesn’t conclusively prove or disprove anybody’s guilt anyway.

Interesting to think about how parents are always the first suspects and in this case suspicion has never really moved beyond them since the circle of possibilities the we know of is very small. I’m always reminded of some cases where the public has been totally wrong since we are seldom aware of any or much of the evidence. What I look forward to is eventually learning who’s legally proven to be guilty in a court of law, not guilt by speculation.

I’m beginning to wonder if/when an arrest will be announced, perhaps the accused will be somebody never publicly connected with this case, but not a stranger to the family either. JMO

Yes, can be used in the investigation steps but as a tool - so I guess to me that is still a bit like baiting or bluffing. Since it's not really tangible and cannot be used as evidence nor admissible in court. I do think it has be used to manipulate, bait, bluff, spook, unsettle a POI, suspect, associates/family/friends, etc.

I think investigators know how to use this tool to their advantage and very effectively whether it's privately in the police station interviewing someone connected to a crime or mentioning it to the media strategically as part of their investigation.

I too am eager for an arrest! And for sure, we really don't know much. Could very well be someone not intimately related/connected to the kids.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I've previously thought the kids could have been intercepted in the woods by someone who then committed a crime against them . Its just another possibility in a lot of unknowns

I do however think it's interesting that prehaps now with the he did she did articles coming out stuff may be revealed through the mud slinging if it really picks up a notch

Can't imagine either party be happy about the reveals in both articles

Maleyha saying Daniel was abusive and him stating its not true and she is making it up

DM is more of a talker so I expect some wanting to save face coming from him on socials even if not in msm

Dare I say... let the mudslinging begin! Who knows what could come out.

 

[MistyWaters]

I've previously thought the kids could have been intercepted in the woods by someone who then committed a crime against them . Its just another possibility in a lot of unknowns

I do however think it's interesting that prehaps now with the he did she did articles coming out stuff may be revealed through the mud slinging if it really picks up a notch

Can't imagine either party be happy about the reveals in both articles

Maleyha saying Daniel was abusive and him stating its not true and she is making it up

DM is more of a talker so I expect some wanting to save face coming from him on socials even if not in msm

Yes however everything contained in those documents is from what was known last July and earlier, the first three months after the children disappeared. While it’s interesting as it gives a clue to the basis of the investigation, unfortunately now almost six months later nothing in the warrants or ITOs supporting them being granted has resulted in the case being solved.

No doubt there were relationship issues between DM and MBM but we still don’t know why she chose to leave the day after Jack and Lilly were reported missing. Had the children been rescued wouldn’t she have wanted to be close at hand?

Nothing unsealed even relates to circumstances around the children’s disappearance. Maybe it’s only enough to hold the public’s attention for awhile again.
JMO

 

[su5ie]

Dare I say... let the mudslinging begin! Who knows what could come out.

We all know when this happens the chances of someone breaking silence is high so I really hope it starts for a break in this case

If we can bank on media releases being strategic ,the rcmp are playing a good hand with releasing this info now

 

[MistyWaters]

We all know when this happens the chances of someone breaking silence is high so I really hope it starts for a break in this case

If we can bank on media releases being strategic ,the rcmp are playing a good hand with releasing this info now

The media went to court to have some of the redactions unsealed. The latest was not an RCMP press release. It’s like a dribble of information from the documents already released last August.

 

[su5ie]

Yes however everything contained in those documents is from what was known last July and earlier, the first three months after the children disappeared. While it’s interesting as it gives a clue to the basis of the investigation, unfortunately now almost six months later nothing in the warrants or ITOs supporting them being granted has resulted in the case being solved.

No doubt there were relationship issues between DM and MBM but we still don’t know why she chose to leave the day after Jack and Lilly were reported missing. Had the children been rescued wouldn’t she have wanted to be close at hand?

Nothing unsealed even relates to circumstances around the children’s disappearance. Maybe it’s only enough to hold the public’s attention for awhile again.
JMO

I would imagine DM will be eager to save face so prehaps its an investigation strategy in the hope  if criminality is a factor ,it may be key in getting through the ceiling of silence

 

[su5ie]

Wouldn't it be great if it caused people to loosen their tongues

As usual though prehaps I'm getting excited over nothing

 

[MistyWaters]

I would imagine DM will be eager to save face so prehaps its an investigation strategy in the hope  if criminality is a factor ,it may be key in getting through the ceiling of silence

If you’re referring to MBM claiming he hurt her, that was released quite some time ago by the G&M, almost word for word, if I recall correctly. The source was someone who MBM had apparently confided with. Do you recall? It was discussed extensively here at the time.

I don’t recall there was much of a SM reaction from DM and since he was not charged with domestic violence it would appear nothing came of it. For all we know Maleyha may have retracted her comments during later interviews.
JMO

 

[MistyWaters]

Wouldn't it be great if it caused people to loosen their tongues

As usual though prehaps I'm getting excited over nothing

I don’t ever recall a case solved by someone blabbering about confidential and incriminating information on SM but I suppose it could happen, if it can be confirmed not to be a imposter.

But anyone closely connected with any criminal investigation would be well advised to seek an attorney who would always instruct them to stay far, far away from posting online about the case.

 

[su5ie]

I don’t ever recall a case solved by someone blabbering about confidential and incriminating information on SM but I suppose it could happen, if it can be confirmed not to be a imposter.

But anyone closely connected with any criminal investigation would be well advised to seek an attorney who would always instruct them to stay far, far away from posting online about the case.

Meant those close to the children, sorry I didn't specify that

After so much silence I'm just over excited about these new articles, I will calm down tomorrow and back to logic

 

[BCSleuth]

[...] but we still don’t know why she chose to leave the day after Jack and Lilly were reported missing. [...]

In the police documents MBM stated that she went with Meadow to stay with her mother because she felt that was the best decision for Meadow.

It seems CPS wanted Meadow removed from the property. There was talk prior to her making that decision of Meadow going to stay with someone in DM's family. A cousin, I think it was.

 

[MistyWaters]

In the police documents MBM stated that she went with Meadow to stay with her mother because she felt that was the best decision for Meadow.

It seems CPS wanted Meadow removed from the property. There was talk prior to her making that decision of Meadow going to stay with someone in DM's family. A cousin, I think it was.

Yes I recall something about DMs family as well. We also don’t who actually had custody of Meadow at the onset of the tragedy. The RCMP had hardly begun their investigation, the RCMP couldn’t know who Meadow was safe with.

But why I question her actions is I can’t imagine CPS would insist on arrangements which prevented MBM from being at her home, in the center of things, when Lilly and Jack were found. Surely temporary arrangements could’ve been prioritized, if MBM expected the children to be located. IMO it’s just too unusual, considering the high hopes they’d be located in the first few days.
JMO

 

[Slebby]

I wonder, what is DM’s definition of “physical abuse”?

If asked directly, “did you ever block her, or hold her down and take away her phone?”, “did you ever push her?”, what would his answer be?

It’s possible to rationalize away anything short of a punch or kick as “not abuse”.

Just my opinion

Edit to add:
I’m not comfortable calling this a “he said, she said” as women experiencing any form of abuse have been disbelieved for centuries. MBM described this to LE, not the media. She reported it in her 5th interview according to yesterday’s Globe and Mail. This tells me it took her some time to be able to speak to it with LE. Whatever anyone thinks of MBM, it is highly possible she’s a DV victim.
IMHO

 

[Megnut]

J and L's mom's actions are coming into better focus.

Moving away from the homestead.

Moving away from the very place the children supposedly wandered away from, at a time when one would expect a mother would never leave, as long as the children remained lost.

Living wherever elsewhere with the baby.

Not searching

Not making public statements.

Which is exactly what you'd expect in a missing person/child where the silent parent knows the children aren't coming home and the who and what of why that is.

IMO it's just a matter of time until we do too.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Sometimes it's hard to see how rough things are when you're in it, but then you get an aerial view, and then you can't not see it anymore.

And the only thing left is to get the hell out as fast and as far as you can, with whatever you have left.

JMO