CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[MistyWaters]

Well this is interesting after all this time. Any theories I had about this case have definitely narrowed to one now.

Mine are still all over the place. It was quite easy for MBM to quickly leave with only baby M. But if none of her children had went missing, leaving with three under age six certainly complicates the situation. That’s how my old theory of MBM handing off Lilly and Jack originally sprung as it benefited her departure while taking the focus off her.

Now I just don’t know.

 

[MistyWaters]

I wonder whether DM is in custody or has been released on bail?

Various reports mention he was released with conditions.

 

[truecrimel]

My theory regarding this case:

MBM asleep with the baby. Something happened with the other children (accident, neglect, abuse) and DM did something with them before MBM woke up. Once she realized the children were missing, he told her the story of seeing the kids that morning before dozing back off. Maybe he mentioned the sliding door. Maybe MBM believed at first the children really might’ve wondered, but as time passed and she thought critically of her relationship with DM or his parenting of the children, she became suspicious. Maybe she accused him, and his reaction pushed her suspicions further. Or maybe she didn’t say anything, but his behavior after was a red flag to her.

MBM in this scenario would take the baby, knowing what DM is capable of. He has been abusive to her in the past, had possibly harmed her other children, and she was at risk staying with the baby. She left, has been quiet publicly but in contact with police working the angle that DM knows what happened.

Of course this is my total speculation, but I could very much see this playing out, JMO. I really really do not want this to be the case, but my suspicions of DM are only growing with each new development.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I hate when horrible thoughts are at the back of my mind. Could the assaults of been against Lily and they are looking for her blood mixed with his semen on the blanket? Could Jack of seen an assault against Lily that morning and He killed them both?
Could MBM put things together and left.

 

[Bigditch]

I hate when horrible thoughts are at the back of my mind. Could the assaults of been against Lily and they are looking for her blood mixed with his semen on the blanket? Could Jack of seen an assault against Lily that morning and He killed them both?
Could MBM put things together and left.

Interesting theory, I do believe the blanket was removed for a reason.

 

[MistyWaters]

I hate when horrible thoughts are at the back of my mind. Could the assaults of been against Lily and they are looking for her blood mixed with his semen on the blanket? Could Jack of seen an assault against Lily that morning and He killed them both?
Could MBM put things together and left.

If you’ve read about this latest development, your theory is not supported by the stated facts included the charges involve an adult and the dates of the alleged incidents are prior the date the children went missing. Further to that, I doubt the RCMP would waste time on DV charges if they had evidence of child molestation and double murder so maybe that will ease your horrible thoughts somewhat

Stepfather of missing children Lilly and Jack Sullivan facing sex assault, other charges

Daniel Martell, the stepfather of Lilly and Jack Sullivan, is facing sexual assault and other charges involving an adult complainant.

www.saltwire.com

 

[Andreee]

Interesting theory, I do believe the blanket was removed for a reason.

I hate when horrible thoughts are at the back of my mind. Could the assaults of been against Lily and they are looking for her blood mixed with his semen on the blanket? Could Jack of seen an assault against Lily that morning and He killed them both?
Could MBM put things together and left.

The charges are concerning an adult.

 

[Calcano]

Mine are still all over the place. It was quite easy for MBM to quickly leave with only baby M. But if none of her children had went missing, leaving with three under age six certainly complicates the situation. That’s how my old theory of MBM handing off Lilly and Jack originally sprung as it benefited her departure while taking the focus off her.

Now I just don’t know.

One thing is for sure - there is no defending DM any longer.

 

[katydid23]

My theory regarding this case:

MBM asleep with the baby. Something happened with the other children (accident, neglect, abuse) and DM did something with them before MBM woke up. Once she realized the children were missing, he told her the story of seeing the kids that morning before dozing back off. Maybe he mentioned the sliding door. Maybe MBM believed at first the children really might’ve wondered, but as time passed and she thought critically of her relationship with DM or his parenting of the children, she became suspicious. Maybe she accused him, and his reaction pushed her suspicions further. Or maybe she didn’t say anything, but his behavior after was a red flag to her.

MBM in this scenario would take the baby, knowing what DM is capable of. He has been abusive to her in the past, had possibly harmed her other children, and she was at risk staying with the baby. She left, has been quiet publicly but in contact with police working the angle that DM knows what happened.

Of course this is my total speculation, but I could very much see this playing out, JMO. I really really do not want this to be the case, but my suspicions of DM are only growing with each new development.

THAT^^^ has been my main theory as well...I think MBM was in the bedroom with the baby.

DM was up late into the night, likely doing meth/+drinking. ... Something bad happened with the kids--maybe they woke up and went into the kitchen to eat something.

I think it's possible they were asleep in the car when they returned from laundry/errands that day. ...and maybe they were carried into their bedroom and put to bed early...so they woke up in middle of the night hungry, thirsty?

Maybe they happened upon some edible gummy bears, and ate way too many?

• High Potency: A single gummy often contains multiple times the recommended dose for an adult (5-10 mg or more). For a small child weighing 20-30 lbs, this is an extreme, toxic dose.
• Appealing Packaging: Edibles are often designed to look, smell, and taste like popular candy or snacks, leading children to eat more than one.
• Delayed Effects: Edibles can take 30 minutes to 2 hours to take effect, which may cause a child to eat a large amount before they feel sick.
• Severe Symptoms: Ingestion can cause intense, life-threatening reactions in children, including slowed or stopped breathing (apnea), severe confusion, seizures, decreased blood pressure, and coma

Or maybe they came upon some powdered meth and mimicked what they saw the adults doing---like sniffing or licking it?


There is also a possibility that DM was very frustrated and angry about the bio dad not paying child support anymore---and the kids were acting up, and he began 'punishing them' and things went sideways?


I think he, maybe with help from his brother, wrapped them up and took them on a 3 wheeler, deep into the bush...then the next morning he told MBM that the kids had run off---but that they need to make up an innocent, believable story so they don['t lose the baby to CPS---so she went along with his story that morning but then came to her senses?

 

[su5ie]

Recalling also that Jack had a black eye in both September and December AFAIK. Did these coincide with DV escalating between DM and MBM or did the black eye on jack come first and mbm sticking up for him escalate violence towards her . Did meth or drug use coincide with escalating DV

I think lilly having a black eye the day before she went missing is very poignant too in light of us now being aware of DV in the home .

I also feel cps didn't call to the home because of learning and behavioural issues related to a possible autism diagnosis. Were the children harmed because somebody didn't want them talking to psychologists . They were due to have an appointment for assessment. Wouldn't that include assessment by the above

 

[Poedelini]

I was waiting for the day that he got arrested. Hopefully he will share what happened to these precious childeren.

 

[Sjöberg]

The new charges, if true, really don't do any good for Daniel's character assessment.

But the household was somewhat dysfunctional from the get go. As for what happened with the kids, I still have the same problem I had before: the big question is, where and how did the kids die. Because I have a very hard time believeing that either of these parents could kill two kids in that trailer, dispose of them, and not leave any evidence for the police to find.

Most kids in dysfunctional households end up abused, emotionally and possibly physically, but not killed. Many run away, ether due to neglect or to avoid the abuse. If they do something that they know will make an abuser angry, then it makes sense for them to go away and hide until at least the initial fury is over. But if a 4-year-old and a 6-year-old run away and hide in the middle of Canadian wilderness, then I personally cannot rule out, that they might get lost.

On the one hand, I have not ruled the above out. And on the other hand, this also means that until the bodies are found and cause of death is determined, it might be very hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the kids were killed.

And this also brings me to the wider thoughts about how emotional part of abuse is hard to address in court. So not this case, but generally thinking: if there is abuse at the household, and if one day a kid runs away because of fear of abuse and dies, say, due to the elements, but no specific abuse act happened that caused the running away - meaning the kid was not hit or yelled at that specific time, they were just afraid because it had happened previously and maybe the abuser looked angry or something like that - then can the abuser reasonably be charged with causing the death? You cannot bring someone to court over causing a death with having a frown on your face, can you? How would that work in different countries?

 

[FromGermany1]

dbm, sorry!

 

[Hexe]

I hate when horrible thoughts are at the back of my mind. Could the assaults of been against Lily and they are looking for her blood mixed with his semen on the blanket? Could Jack of seen an assault against Lily that morning and He killed them both?
Could MBM put things together and left.

It was clearly stated the victim was adult. So no, not Lily.

 

[wvmoonangel]

My theory regarding this case:

MBM asleep with the baby. Something happened with the other children (accident, neglect, abuse) and DM did something with them before MBM woke up. Once she realized the children were missing, he told her the story of seeing the kids that morning before dozing back off. Maybe he mentioned the sliding door. Maybe MBM believed at first the children really might’ve wondered, but as time passed and she thought critically of her relationship with DM or his parenting of the children, she became suspicious. Maybe she accused him, and his reaction pushed her suspicions further. Or maybe she didn’t say anything, but his behavior after was a red flag to her.

MBM in this scenario would take the baby, knowing what DM is capable of. He has been abusive to her in the past, had possibly harmed her other children, and she was at risk staying with the baby. She left, has been quiet publicly but in contact with police working the angle that DM knows what happened.

Of course this is my total speculation, but I could very much see this playing out, JMO. I really really do not want this to be the case, but my suspicions of DM are only growing with each new development.

That's a theory I have wondered about that he killed them and disposed of them while she was asleep.

 

[FromGermany1]

If MBM had been forcibly confined, she seemingly wasn't able to yell for help to DM's mother next door. Now I want to hear something again from his mother. It would also be interesting, to hear something from his (previously unmentioned) brother. Nobody can tell me, that the two people knew nothing. MOO

 

[agent902]

DM's mom is a hard person to listen to. I have to conscientiously do muscle relaxation exercises afterward, to remove my shoulders from my ears.

There was an interview she did, I'll have to look for which one... She said something to the effect of "what goes on in that trailer is none of my business". It rang an alarm bell in my head then, thinking about potential abuse. But now I definitely need to find the exact quote and context to hear it again.

 

[crcap]

This doesn’t really mean anything imo regarding Lily and Jack. The people involved have never come off as productive well meaning citizens so criminal activity isn’t really that surprising to me. DM is a but could also be innocent regarding L&J. Two things can be true.

 

[FromGermany1]

DM's mom is a hard person to listen to. I have to conscientiously do muscle relaxation exercises afterward, to remove my shoulders from my ears.

There was an interview she did, I'll have to look for which one... She said something to the effect of "what goes on in that trailer is none of my business". It rang an alarm bell in my head then, thinking about potential abuse. But now I definitely need to find the exact quote and context to hear it again.

Smiley by me ^^.

Then I as a German person don't have to listen to it. I wouldn't understand anything at all. Always a little problem.

 

[musicaljoke]

That's a theory I have wondered about that he killed them and disposed of them while she was asleep.

He'd have a very difficult time covering his tracks and would most likely leave forensic evidence if he murdered his kids. And his lie detector test would most likely reveal his guilt. Also we have the testimony of the other female living on the property who heard the kids playing in the yard. DM just doesn't seem to have the level of genius required to plan such an act. So far, we haven't heard of any evidence to suggest that he murdered the kids. Of course, we have no idea what evidence the police have gathered.

Really, we haven't heard anything we didn't already know. We already knew about the accusations that have resulted in the current charges. If the victim is MBM, then the charges should come as no surprise.