CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[dotr]

Wondering what this means?
Aug 2025 rbbm

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

''The documents also show Janie MacKenzie, Martell's mother, did a polygraph test on June 10. Her "physiology" was "not suitable for analysis" and no opinion was rendered.''

 

[Amy0077]

Wondering what this means?
Aug 2025 rbbm

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

''The documents also show Janie MacKenzie, Martell's mother, did a polygraph test on June 10. Her "physiology" was "not suitable for analysis" and no opinion was rendered.''

A heart condition perhaps?

 

[lisette]

Influence of medication?

 

[Serononin]

Wondering what this means?
Aug 2025 rbbm

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

''The documents also show Janie MacKenzie, Martell's mother, did a polygraph test on June 10. Her "physiology" was "not suitable for analysis" and no opinion was rendered.''

Probably either a medical condition or a medication that affects bodily responses like heart rate and/or blood pressure. I daresay that happens quite a lot with polygraphs of people over a certain age (although I don't know how old JM actually is)

 

[su5ie]

He'd have a very difficult time covering his tracks and would most likely leave forensic evidence if he murdered his kids. And his lie detector test would most likely reveal his guilt. Also we have the testimony of the other female living on the property who heard the kids playing in the yard. DM just doesn't seem to have the level of genius required to plan such an act. So far, we haven't heard of any evidence to suggest that he murdered the kids. Of course, we have no idea what evidence the police have gathered.

Really, we haven't heard anything we didn't already know. We already knew about the accusations that have resulted in the current charges. If the victim is MBM, then the charges should come as no surprise.

Unfortunately the women living at the property have two factors that make it hard to decide if they told the truth .

One is DMs mother and the kids are not her bio grandchildren, which of those persons interests may she have possibly had at heart ? Or is it the Mandela effect in action ?

Second woman living at property is allegedly an abused person ,a person we can speculate was living in fear if allegations are true . Statistics will tell us abused persons are often afraid to speak up and are terrified of their abuser .even after the abuser no longer has control . So can we speculate she may not have gave a true version of events that morning either ,out of reflexive self protection mode

Murder is committed not by genius but firstly by anger ,sometimes also greed and secondly by determination to get away with it imo.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Court documents say the victim was a female and the alleged incidents occurred on Gairloch Road in Lansdowne on Dec. 1, 2024 – about six months before the children vanished from their home.

Stepfather of missing Sullivan children charged with assault, forcible confinement: N.S. RCMP

The stepfather of Lily and Jack Sullivan, who have been missing from their Lansdowne Station, N.S., home since last May, has been charged with assault, forcible confinement and sexual assault.

www.ctvnews.ca

 

[Lalalacasbah]

So if things were coming to a head - DV possibly escalating, kids getting noticed by teachers, kids possibly getting interviewed by social services and things seemed to be coming to the surface.

Seems like DM thought the way to solve the problem was perhaps getting rid of the kids to not be exposed.

He does seems like a narcissist. One thing a narcissist hates is being exposed. Their reputation is huge for them and how others see them (except the people they live with who see their true, ugly side).

The only thing that still nags me is - I still can't see how he could pull this off for so long! He's not smart. Maybe dumb luck? Or he had help. Seems like DM is guilty but something is still nagging at me that doesn't fit!! Not sure why...

 

[Lexiintoronto]

He'd have a very difficult time covering his tracks and would most likely leave forensic evidence if he murdered his kids. And his lie detector test would most likely reveal his guilt. Also we have the testimony of the other female living on the property who heard the kids playing in the yard. DM just doesn't seem to have the level of genius required to plan such an act. So far, we haven't heard of any evidence to suggest that he murdered the kids. Of course, we have no idea what evidence the police have gathered.

Really, we haven't heard anything we didn't already know. We already knew about the accusations that have resulted in the current charges. If the victim is MBM, then the charges should come as no surprise.

The allegations of sexual assault are something we haven’t heard before.

We knew MBM had told her grandmother that DM had done abusive things to her, but we didn’t know what she had said to the RCMP about it—assuming that MBM is the victim.

The timeline of the alleged assaults were also when Jack sustained at least two black eyes.

September 2024-May 2025 seems to have been a boiling point of issues in that household.

 

[MistyWaters]

The allegations of sexual assault are something we haven’t heard before.

We knew MBM had told her grandmother that DM had done abusive things to her, but we didn’t know what she had said to the RCMP about it—assuming that MBM is the victim.

The timeline of the alleged assaults were also when Jack sustained at least two black eyes.

September 2024-May 2025 seems to have been a boiling point of issues in that household.

I wonder if these charges are a way to force her to talk, to testify? And if so, will she?

When she initially told the RCMP about the assault during her interviews, recently unredacted and published by the media, surely she was asked if she wished to press charges at the time? If she refused, has she now agreed or were the charges filed without her concurrence? What happens next may move the investigation forward, hopefully.
JMO

 

[musicaljoke]

rsbm

Murder is committed not by genius but firstly by anger ,sometimes also greed and secondly by determination to get away with it imo.

Committing homicide without leaving a trace of evidence requires a high level of intelligence and planning. The majority of homicides in Canada are solved within 100 days. I don't believe that DM has the intellectual ability to commit a double homicide without leaving a trail of evidence.

Homicide in Canada, 2021

This annual Juristat article presents 2021 homicide data. Short and long-term trends in homicide are examined at the national, provincial/territorial and census metropolitan area levels. Gang-related homicides, firearm-related homicides, intimate partner homicides, and homicides committed by...

www150.statcan.gc.ca

 

[tlcya]

even a broken clock is right twice a day. I don't believe DM is a genius. But I also don't believe every unsolved homicide or other major crime committed was necessarily committed by a genius. Sometimes a lack of evidence isn't because it doesn't exist, it just hasn't been located or identified yet. Sometimes even dumb criminals take a while to be caught because - luck.

 

[Megnut]

Digital forensics is the new DNA.

There will be limited digital forensics for a crime committed in an area without ring cameras and CCTV.

If a cellphone was stationary, it won't help (other than leaving a black out for the very period a crime occurred).

Perhaps we're seeing the challenges of that.

JMO

 

[Slebby]

Murder by strangulation or suffocation is unlikely to leave much evidence behind. If a body can be disposed of, so can, say, a pillow.
IMO

 

[TMich6811]

Committing homicide without leaving a trace of evidence requires a high level of intelligence and planning. The majority of homicides in Canada are solved within 100 days. I don't believe that DM has the intellectual ability to commit a double homicide without leaving a trail of evidence.

Homicide in Canada, 2021

This annual Juristat article presents 2021 homicide data. Short and long-term trends in homicide are examined at the national, provincial/territorial and census metropolitan area levels. Gang-related homicides, firearm-related homicides, intimate partner homicides, and homicides committed by...

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He absolutely does to move 2 overdosed bodies though imo

 

[Ontario Mom]

Committing homicide without leaving a trace of evidence requires a high level of intelligence and planning. The majority of homicides in Canada are solved within 100 days. I don't believe that DM has the intellectual ability to commit a double homicide without leaving a trail of evidence.

Homicide in Canada, 2021

This annual Juristat article presents 2021 homicide data. Short and long-term trends in homicide are examined at the national, provincial/territorial and census metropolitan area levels. Gang-related homicides, firearm-related homicides, intimate partner homicides, and homicides committed by...

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I don't either. Maybe that's why he still hasn't been named a suspect or POI in the disappearance of the kids? Due to the lack of evidence to charge him?

jmo

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Committing homicide without leaving a trace of evidence requires a high level of intelligence and planning. The majority of homicides in Canada are solved within 100 days. I don't believe that DM has the intellectual ability to commit a double homicide without leaving a trail of evidence.

Homicide in Canada, 2021

This annual Juristat article presents 2021 homicide data. Short and long-term trends in homicide are examined at the national, provincial/territorial and census metropolitan area levels. Gang-related homicides, firearm-related homicides, intimate partner homicides, and homicides committed by...

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I agree, that's the ONE thing that doesn't align or make sense (to me). How could he not leave SOMETHING for LE to grasp onto?

Maybe LE have more than we know but I still can't shake that DM could pull this off, he seems like a f*ck up in life, but can get away with murder? Unless he had help from someone smarter than him - but then it would be very pre-meditated.

 

[MistyWaters]

Committing homicide without leaving a trace of evidence requires a high level of intelligence and planning. The majority of homicides in Canada are solved within 100 days. I don't believe that DM has the intellectual ability to commit a double homicide without leaving a trail of evidence.

Homicide in Canada, 2021

This annual Juristat article presents 2021 homicide data. Short and long-term trends in homicide are examined at the national, provincial/territorial and census metropolitan area levels. Gang-related homicides, firearm-related homicides, intimate partner homicides, and homicides committed by...

www150.statcan.gc.ca

Without leaving evidence and nobody else, including the mother of the children not noticing, hearing or seeing anything suspicious so as not to raise alarm bells? Not cracking under four hours of interrogation?

The unlikelihood that nothing points directly to DM is what makes the wandering theory possible.
JMO

 

[Lexiintoronto]

I wonder if these charges are a way to force her to talk, to testify? And if so, will she?

When she initially told the RCMP about the assault during her interviews, recently unredacted and published by the media, surely she was asked if she wished to press charges at the time? If she refused, has she now agreed or were the charges filed without her concurrence? What happens next may move the investigation forward, hopefully.
JMO

Nova Scotia is pro-charge, pro-arrest province. So the police are obligated to lay charges when they have reasonable grounds that an assault has been committed (again presuming the victim is MBM)—

• that police respond to and fully investigate all family violence cases, gathering as much evidence as possible at the scene to reduce reliance on victim testimony;
• that, where reasonable and probable grounds exist, police lay charges and arrest and remove the alleged perpetrator from the home irrespective of the victim's wishes;
• that the safety of victims and children be a paramount concern and that police refer victims to Victims' Services and/or local transition houses;

Quote above from: Framework for Action Against Family Violence

 

[MistyWaters]

Nova Scotia is pro-charge, pro-arrest province. So the police are obligated to lay charges when they have reasonable grounds that an assault has been committed (again presuming the victim is MBM)—


Quote above from: Framework for Action Against Family Violence

Yes, that’s what’s confusing. The information that was unredacted surely satisfies the basis of abuse and forceable confinement charges so if this didn’t allegedly occur on Dec 1, 2024 and there were other instances, generally there to be multiple charges to encompass it all especially when this much was already documented in her statement to the RCMP.
JMO

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/lilly-jack-sullivan-missing-rcmp-investigation-court-documents-9.7045363

“Brooks-Murray was asked if Martell was ever physically abusive.

“Malehya said he would try to block her, hold her down and once he pushed her,” the documents said.

“She said he would also take her phone from her when she tried to call her mom, which would sometimes be physical and hurt.”

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Wondering what this means?
Aug 2025 rbbm

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

''The documents also show Janie MacKenzie, Martell's mother, did a polygraph test on June 10. Her "physiology" was "not suitable for analysis" and no opinion was rendered.''

I interpreted it to be most likely tied into DM's mother being emotionally distressed by her step-grandchildren's disappearance and having to give "key witness" testimony on what she might have heard or seen that morning when they disappeared, as she was presumably "the only one within earshot on the property they disappeared from who was awake at the time", paraphrasing.

Then a month later having LE ask her to also (in addition to DM and MBM and presumably others "close to" the family) come in for a polygraph test -- and answer a new "perhaps more probing" set of questions after SAR teams found no evidence of what happened to them (For Example: "Do you know what happened to them or know who might have been involved in their disappearance?") -- than when she was interviewed right after their disappearance (For Example: "When/where did you last see or hear them, and do you know at what time?").

She could have been emotionally distressed and/or jittery and unable to sit still for the test when LE began their assessment of her suitability for testing that they decided they couldn't proceed. This could fit with the reason being distress that wasn't going to go away rather than due to an acute illness or medical condition for which she could have been rescheduled when she recovered.

JMO

Here's some info again on criteria which could make the examinee potentially "unsuitable" for polygraph testing (BBM):

Who is Unsuitable for a Polygraph Test? Key Considerations and Conditions - Lie Detector Test

Polygraph tests are a widely used tool in both criminal investigations and private matters, but they are not suitable for everyone. Several factors can impact the validity of the test and make certain individuals unsuitable for undergoing a polygraph examination. Ensuring that the examinee is in...

liedetectortest.com

Who is Unsuitable for a Polygraph Test? Key Considerations and Conditions​

by Lie Detector Test Private & Confidential Polygraph Provider | Oct 17, 2024 | Learning Center, Polygraph Examiner, Polygraph Training
Table of Contents

• Conditions That Render a Person Unsuitable for a Polygraph Test
  
  • 1. Active Psychosis
  • 2. Severe Developmental Impairments
  • 3. Drug or Alcohol-Induced Impairment
  • 4. Dementia
  • 5. Inability to Consent
  • 6. Anyone Under the Age of Consent
  • 7. Inability to Remain Seated or Still
  • 8. Extreme Emotional Distress
  • 9. Health Conditions That Prevent Sensor Placement
• Temporary Conditions: Illness and Rescheduling
• Why Suitability Matters for Accurate Results
• Conclusion

7. Inability to Remain Seated or Still​

Polygraph tests involve periods of stillness, where the examinee must sit in one position for several minutes—typically around seven minutes per session—while sensors monitor physiological responses. Individuals who are unable to remain seated or still due to medical conditions, physical disabilities, or hyperactivity may not be suitable for polygraph testing. Excessive movement can interfere with the sensors’ ability to measure subtle changes in physiological responses, reducing the test’s accuracy.

8. Extreme Emotional Distress​

Polygraph tests are not suitable for individuals who are experiencing extreme emotional distress or anxiety. Whether triggered by a personal crisis, trauma, or other emotional disturbances, high levels of distress can alter physiological responses. The heightened emotional state may lead to false positives or inaccurate readings, as the body’s stress response may be unrelated to the questions being asked. In such cases, it’s best to postpone the test until the examinee is emotionally stable.

Temporary Conditions: Illness and Rescheduling​

In some cases, an individual may be temporarily unsuitable for a polygraph test due to a short-term illness, such as a cold, flu, or respiratory infection. Illness can affect an examinee’s physiological responses, potentially leading to inaccurate results. For example, fever, fatigue, or dehydration could cause abnormal readings during the test. In these situations, the test can be rescheduled after the individual has fully recovered, ensuring more reliable results.