CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #7

[Bigditch]

Wondering what this means?
Aug 2025 rbbm

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/extensive-rcmp-scrutiny-of-missing-children-s-mother-stepfather-suggests-no-criminal-involvement-1.7615551

''The documents also show Janie MacKenzie, Martell's mother, did a polygraph test on June 10. Her "physiology" was "not suitable for analysis" and no opinion was rendered.''

Janie reminds me of a hummingbird that's probably why they couldn't get a read on her, too fidgety.

 

[Bigditch]

Unfortunately the women living at the property have two factors that make it hard to decide if they told the truth .

One is DMs mother and the kids are not her bio grandchildren, which of those persons interests may she have possibly had at heart ? Or is it the Mandela effect in action ?

Second woman living at property is allegedly an abused person ,a person we can speculate was living in fear if allegations are true . Statistics will tell us abused persons are often afraid to speak up and are terrified of their abuser .even after the abuser no longer has control . So can we speculate she may not have gave a true version of events that morning either ,out of reflexive self protection mode

Murder is committed not by genius but firstly by anger ,sometimes also greed and secondly by determination to get away with it imo.

Damn straight murder is committed by ANGER.

 

[Bigditch]

So if things were coming to a head - DV possibly escalating, kids getting noticed by teachers, kids possibly getting interviewed by social services and things seemed to be coming to the surface.

Seems like DM thought the way to solve the problem was perhaps getting rid of the kids to not be exposed.

He does seems like a narcissist. One thing a narcissist hates is being exposed. Their reputation is huge for them and how others see them (except the people they live with who see their true, ugly side).

The only thing that still nags me is - I still can't see how he could pull this off for so long! He's not smart. Maybe dumb luck? Or he had help. Seems like DM is guilty but something is still nagging at me that doesn't fit!! Not sure why...

Need more time to collect my thoughts...

 

[Bigditch]

I agree, that's the ONE thing that doesn't align or make sense (to me). How could he not leave SOMETHING for LE to grasp onto?

Maybe LE have more than we know but I still can't shake that DM could pull this off, he seems like a f*ck up in life, but can get away with murder? Unless he had help from someone smarter than him - but then it would be very pre-meditated.

There is a piece of the puzzle missing for me too. Although the current charges are horrendous, and I believe every word. I still think the arrest might be a tactic to get DM to cooperate further with the investigation, name his accomplices or expose an accomplice -- a link to Lilly & Jack's disappearance.

The thing that stands out to me is the gold chain around DM's neck that he proudly displays as if it's a symbol of his status in the community.

 

[MistyWaters]

More to this, this article states MBM was “specifically asked” on May 9th if DM was ever physically abusive and so she gave some examples. I truly do wonder if these charges would’ve ever been laid had these documents not been released due to the media fighting in court for the unsealing. The timing can’t just be a coincidence IMO. The big question - is MBM looking forward to pursuing this through the courts?

Missing Sullivan children's stepfather arrested by RCMP

RCMP arrested the stepfather of the Sullivan children missing from Pictou County, on unrelated charges, police told CityNews. On Monday, around 11:30 a.m., Daniel Martell, 34, was arrested and is facing offences of assault, forcible confinement and sexual assault of an adult victim. Martell is...

winnipeg.citynews.ca

“Earlier this month, newly unsealed court documents detailed the relationship between Martell and Brooks-Murray, hinting that he was sometimes physical with her.

The documents include excerpts from police interviews.

On May 9, Brooks-Murray was specifically asked if the children’s stepfather was physically abusive.

“Malehya said he would try to block her, hold her down and once he pushed her,” the document reads. “She said he would also take her phone from her when she tried to call her mom, which would sometimes be physical and hurt.”

 

[Lucy6226]

I hoping these new unrelated charges are the beginning of justice. I agree with others about DM's intelligence and him being able to commit a crime against the children and get away with it for so long. But sometimes people get lucky. It's a very rural place and I think that is playing into the lack of evidence. I truly believe if they had wandered off there would have been something found by now, a Welly, clothing, pull up, backpack. All MOO

 

[iamshadow21]

Committing homicide without leaving a trace of evidence requires a high level of intelligence and planning. The majority of homicides in Canada are solved within 100 days. I don't believe that DM has the intellectual ability to commit a double homicide without leaving a trail of evidence.

Homicide in Canada, 2021

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To get away with murder, someone doesn't have to be a genius who planned and executed it perfectly. They just have to be lucky.

MOO

 

[Slebby]

I think it is a fallacy to believe only highly intelligent people can plan or get away with murder, or that only dumb people get caught. I’d say Douglas Garland was highly intelligent yet he was caught. Robert Pickton - not a high IQ but got away with many murders for a long time before he was caught.
Was Bruce MacArthur smart because he got away with it for years, or dumb because he was eventually caught?
I think, if we look at many murders, we would see a mix of both smart and dumb folks caught for their crime.
In this case, how smart would someone need to be, hypothetically, to strangle a child and dispose of their body in a large barely inhabited forest area where they’ve lived all their life, while owning an all terrain vehicle? How much incriminating evidence might by left behind?
IMO

 

[tlcya]

MOO IF Dm is responsible for disappearing the children it was either one of them being accidently OD'd or dying from abuse in a sudden fit of anger and the other dying in some sort of coverup effort for the first death. I agree with other posters that the most likely disposal of bodies would be using the ATV to go some good distance from the trailer, into the deep woods to dispose of the children in a body of water or beneath a large pile of brush.

Something abut DM describing himself jumping up and surveying ditches and culvert, into the water looking, checking over the rivers and streams for them has always stuck in my mind. The way he volunteered it, almost in a braggy way describing his heroic efforts. it struck me as odd, set my hairs up. JMO

 

[katydid23]

This doesn’t really mean anything imo regarding Lily and Jack. The people involved have never come off as productive well meaning citizens so criminal activity isn’t really that surprising to me. DM is a but could also be innocent regarding L&J. Two things can be true.

I wouldn't go as far to say that it 'doesn't mean anything' in regards to Lily and Jack.
If the male that lives with them and is expected to care for and protect them, is known to use meth, and to be abusive and violent towards their mother, then the chances that he could be treating them the same way, goes way up, in my opinion.

It's true that he could be innocent regarding the kids, but my suspicions are raised because meth is a very ugly drug that increases anger, impatience, impulsivity and aggression. Meth is also poisonous and increases the chances of fentanyl poisoning if a child came into contact.

 

[katydid23]

I think it is a fallacy to believe only highly intelligent people can plan or get away with murder, or that only dumb people get caught. I’d say Douglas Garland was highly intelligent yet he was caught. Robert Pickton - not a high IQ but got away with many murders for a long time before he was caught.
Was Bruce MacArthur smart because he got away with it for years, or dumb because he was eventually caught?
I think, if we look at many murders, we would see a mix of both smart and dumb folks caught for their crime.
In this case, how smart would someone need to be, hypothetically, to strangle a child and dispose of their body in a large barely inhabited forest area where they’ve lived all their life, while owning an all terrain vehicle? How much incriminating evidence might by left behind?
IMO

I agree with the above sentiments.
There is also the grim possibility that the kids came into contact with meth/fentanyl, or edible Gummies, and OD'ed. All that would be left to do is go into the bush on a 3 wheeler and find a hidden hole. I think a desperate , frightened meth freak could do that successfully.

 

[Bigditch]

I think it is a fallacy to believe only highly intelligent people can plan or get away with murder, or that only dumb people get caught. I’d say Douglas Garland was highly intelligent yet he was caught. Robert Pickton - not a high IQ but got away with many murders for a long time before he was caught.
Was Bruce MacArthur smart because he got away with it for years, or dumb because he was eventually caught?
I think, if we look at many murders, we would see a mix of both smart and dumb folks caught for their crime.
In this case, how smart would someone need to be, hypothetically, to strangle a child and dispose of their body in a large barely inhabited forest area where they’ve lived all their life, while owning an all terrain vehicle? How much incriminating evidence might by left behind?
IMO

Canadian True Crime podcast is doing a four part piece on Pickton. It's riveting.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I dare say I'm looking forward to possibly learning if the charges against DM are for the adult female on Gairloch Rd in Landsdowne on December 1, 2024 who is in fact MBM.

If he did this and is found guilty, it seems pretty likely, IMO, he assaulted, sexually assaulted, and forcibly confined MBM, which aligns with what she publicly said he had done to her in the past (but without mentioning the SA).

I think there must be some proof of him committing these crimes against that adult female on that day on that road for LE to arrest him and charge him.

Which makes me wonder if there is some recorded proof of some sort or if testimony of the victim alone or corroborated by others is sufficient for an arrest and leveling charges against him.

There aren't that many residential properties on Gairloch Road for it to be likely that it could be another adult female.

But I guess he could have committed these crimes against a neighbor or at a party or gathering at their property or in the neighborhood.

Also just noting that December 1 was a Sunday.

Not sure what else to say other than I hope these charges are the beginning of the end of DM acting all innocent in terms of whether he treated his family well or not and acting like he was the only one keeping things together at home, IMO.

MBM replying when asked by media if he ever physically abused missing Lilly and Jack that in her opinion/to her knowledge he didn't physically abuse them but "he had a voice they listened to" notwithstanding.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

I dare say I'm looking forward to possibly learning if the charges against DM are for the adult female on Gairloch Rd in Landsdowne on December 1, 2024 who is in fact MBM.

If he did this and is found guilty, it seems pretty likely, IMO, he assaulted, sexually assaulted, and forcibly confined MBM, which aligns with what she publicly said he had done to her in the past (but without mentioning the SA).

I think there must be some proof of him committing these crimes against that adult female on that day on that road for LE to arrest him and charge him.

Which makes me wonder if there is some recorded proof of some sort or if testimony of the victim alone or corroborated by others is sufficient for an arrest and leveling charges against him.

There aren't that many residential properties on Gairloch Road for it to be likely that it could be another adult female.

But I guess he could have committed these crimes against a neighbor or at a party or gathering at their property or in the neighborhood.

Also just noting that December 1 was a Sunday.

Not sure what else to say other than I hope these charges are the beginning of the end of DM acting all innocent in terms of whether he treated his family well or not and acting like he was the only one keeping things together at home, IMO.

MBM replying when asked by media if he ever physically abused missing Lilly and Jack that in her opinion/to her knowledge he didn't physically abuse them but "he had a voice they listened to" notwithstanding.

JMO

I don't think MBM felt she could dare to say that he was abusive towards her kids because she could permanently lose custody of the baby if she never reported him for abusing her children and only left after they went missing. I'd think she was neglectful if I was a social worker deciding if she should have custody of her baby.

If he was only abusive towards her, she'd be considered a victim. But if he was actively abusing her children, then it borders upon being an accessory to that abuse, imo.