Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #16

[CanadianMade]

There are ways to turn off google tracking (and I learned about those on a gaming site on reddit after listening to To Live and Die in L.A.)

Was just an example of LE using tracking in Canada.

You can turn off tracking from Google....sort of. You can't turn off tracking from LE unless you ditch the phone and get a new one with a fake name, etc. That is a bit more difficult to do these days as most phone companies don't allow the use of false information....this also depends on who sells you the phone. Some shrug and look the other way.
Depending on the type of phone it is, they could have just turned it off and just never used it again....or Only used it to record said video(depending on when it was recorded) Could have tossed it too and LE found it somewhere else.

 

[LadyL]

SBM

Incidentally, his other main observation was of them walking out the door in the footage. His exact words were "Those are some tall boys." Then he pointed out that Bryer's head nearly touches the door frame. I think this has maybe been brought up before, but how tall are commercial doors in Canada? I know a standard door height here in the States is 6'8".

[sbm]

apparently they were both 6'4" but it has been noted that Kam looked to be a couple inches shorter than Bryer

I think the vehicle that came across them would have been approaching in the dark. Because Chynna Deese wasn't wearing her shorts and t shirt as seen in the gas station video shot earlier in the day. She was probably wearing longer sleeves which would indicate it was late in the evening. There aren't any lights, so seeing their van from far away wouldn't have been possible. I think any vehicle that spotted them would have over shot.
But that certainly makes explaining KM & BS seeing them, because they would have been coming from the north.

[bbm]

how do you know what Chynna was wearing? is it easily seen in the crime scene photo? (the one I've seen their bodies were blurred out)
we've had a local on here saying that it doesn't get pitch black up there - more like twilight - plus I thought I read there was a full moon that night so I think the van would've been easily visible

I mean, I'm not surprised. But like...what a thing for their families to have to see. I wonder if we will ever know what they said?

The main thing I'm surprised about is that they had battery left on their phones.

yes, very surprising that they would have any juice left and why would they go deep into the bush to hide if they wanted their 'goodbye video' to be found?
unless, as someone else suggested, they recorded it earlier in the trip of death

 

[LadyL]

Some day, somebody will write a book.

it's probably already been outlined by a few ...

 

[Zella]

[sbm]

apparently they were both 6'4" but it has been noted that Kam looked to be a couple inches shorter than Bryer

SBM

After thinking for some time that Bryer was 6'4" and Kam was about 6', I actually now think Kam was 6'4" and Bryer was taller than that, like possibly 6'7"-ish. If the height markers on the door on the surveillance footage start at 5 feet, that checks out, too. Kam looks tall in that door, but Bryer looks like a giraffe.

I'm thinking Kam's family may have had his correct height and weight--I think 6'4" and 170 probably checks out for him--and Bryer's family didn't, so it was reported for both of them when they were declared missing. Just a guess. MOO

 

[copkid]

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This video indicates a phone without SIM, without service, never connected to wifi, will still record your movements right on down to the mode of transportation.
If the RCMP could not track them in the bush outside of Gillam, their phone should provide a good picture of all areas travelled with times and dates. Valuable information IMO

Video: Is your Android phone tracking you?

 

[ErinBat]

They probably took their charger(s) with them when they burnt the camper and seemingly a bag of clothes/perhaps other belongings since they were seen in different clothing at the alcohol check stop than they were wearing in the video surveillance. They likely charged the phone(s) in the Rav4 the whole way.

 

[NJSleuth91]

Just thought of something: if the video was recorded right before they killed themselves, the police would be able to tell when they died.

 

[Bluedaisy100]

Leaving a video says to me that they wanted to be found. It would explain after much searching by the RCMP, there were suddenly all these clues: The boat, the sleeping bag and the personal belongings by the shore. When they decided to end it all, they placed what they had out in plain sight for anyone to see who came looking.

 

[FactFinder3000]

Leaving a video says to me that they wanted to be found. It would explain after much searching by the RCMP, there were suddenly all these clues: The boat, the sleeping bag and the personal belongings by the shore. When they decided to end it all, they placed what they had out in plain sight for anyone to see who came looking.

Which makes me wonder how much spin the RCMP is going to do as this all doesn't look very good for them. It seems that stuff was there for days.

 

[Bluedaisy100]

One more thing. If as I suspect part of their last request was to be buried together, I hope the families have the presence of mind to not honor it. It could turn into a creepy shrine that would inspire others to follow their path. I was sad, but understood why Lucas and Chynna were buried continents apart. They were denied the chance to make any requests.

 

[Zella]

One more thing. If as I suspect part of their last request was to be buried together, I hope the families have the presence of mind to not honor it. It could turn into a creepy shrine that would inspire others to follow their path. I was sad, but understood why Lucas and Chynna were buried continents apart. They were denied the chance to make any requests.

I think Kam's and Bryer's families are probably each blaming the other suspect for this, so I seriously doubt any of them will honor that request to bury them together if that was requested. Like you, I have wondered if that is what they asked for, though.

I also thought about the victims' families. I hope KM's and BS's family got some closure from the goodbye video, but that is something that Kam McLeod and Bryer Schmegelsky denied Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck--the chance to say their goodbyes and make their requests.

 

[Schmoosh]

They probably took their charger(s) with them when they burnt the camper and seemingly a bag of clothes/perhaps other belongings since they were seen in different clothing at the alcohol check stop than they were wearing in the video surveillance. They likely charged the phone(s) in the Rav4 the whole way.

You can easily use a hand-crank charger. You can buy them separate, or with a crank weather radio, crank flashlight, etc. No self-respecting camper, let alone a survivalist, would be without one. There are also solar chargers. Some combo units have both crank and solar, plus radio and flashlight. I'm a "glamper" and even I have one A lot of units are pocket-size.

 

[tmar]

Final video could reveal motive for Canada highway murders

9News Staff
1 hour ago
...
The two teenagers suspected of shooting dead Australian tourist Lucas Fowler and his US girlfriend Chynna Deese on a Canadian highway rampage left a "last will and testament" video message.

Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 19, recorded the video message on their mobile phones before taking their own lives in remote bushland in northern Manitoba, the Toronto Star reports.
About 30 seconds of the video was shared with family members of the former fugitives.
...
McLeod and Schmegelsky said goodbye to their families in the video and described their wishes for their remains, according to a family member interviewed by the Star.

 

[Boxer]

RCMP need to be more accountable for responding to calls about stranded vehicles and bodies.

Imagine if RCMP had been on the ball and called in extras to shut down all highways leading to Liard Hot Spting at 5AM on July 15. The suspects would have been trapped in the area, and they would have been stopped driving Dyck's Rav4 before they left BC.

Instead, we had a silly show of military tanks in Gillam, long after the suspects were walking the Sundance Creek to their certain deaths. Even that was a farce. The vehicle was found next to the Sundance Creek and RCMP followed train tracks instead of the creek. Bunch of city slickers.

RCMP spent 4500 man hours to search 11,000 square kilometres of land, but they did not follow the creek next to the burned vehicle to the Nelson River until after the bodies were found.

Where were the local authorities? They would know the routes.

 

[10ofRods]

Where were the local authorities? They would know the routes.

I've been led to believe that there were virtually no "local authorities." It was going to take...hours...for authorities to get to the place where Chynna and Lucas were parked? I may be off.

I'm originally from a part of the world where the "local authorities" are not always within easy reach. It's a US state. But I thought that was the whole issue with the road worker who dialed 911/the Mounties in regard to Chynna and Lucas being stranded and was told it was a 4 hour response time.

 

[10ofRods]

How about ways to turn off all microphones lol. Not that I wear a tinfoil hat but some days the ads popping up during my social media visits are pretty specific to things I been talking about only a short while before. And it’s not from my web browsing or search history, or if it is they are sure missing the mark with their software.

Yes, of course you can turn off the mics. But mostly you need to never type anything useful to Google or Apple (or Amazon). It's likely not your voice. It's everything else you do online. At any rate, same thing happens to me and I never talk about the same things near my phone.

You can turn your phone into a much less connected, basic version of itself. You can use it just as a camera, if you want.

You can look it up, I"m not comfortable giving how-to's on how to be invisible on your phone.

 

[NJSleuth91]

One more thing. If as I suspect part of their last request was to be buried together, I hope the families have the presence of mind to not honor it. It could turn into a creepy shrine that would inspire others to follow their path.

Doubt they're going to be buried at all. If they were, in a small town like Port Alberni word would get around where it was, and people would probably vandalize the graves. I don't think their families deserve to go through that. Anyway, most likely they're going to be cremated and hidden in the back of a closet somewhere.

Totally agree that I strongly suspect their last request was to be buried together.

 

[10ofRods]

Was just an example of LE using tracking in Canada.

You can turn off tracking from Google....sort of. You can't turn off tracking from LE unless you ditch the phone and get a new one with a fake name, etc. That is a bit more difficult to do these days as most phone companies don't allow the use of false information....this also depends on who sells you the phone. Some shrug and look the other way.
Depending on the type of phone it is, they could have just turned it off and just never used it again....or Only used it to record said video(depending on when it was recorded) Could have tossed it too and LE found it somewhere else.

Buy one on ebay.

Get one from a friend (tons of now unused phones lying around people's houses, even if not at your own house).

Swap meets and garage sales.

Amazon (pick up at locker in the US)


Even when it's off, it will record some location data - but if no one knows it's your phone, no biggie.

But what the cool kids do (apparently) is install a VPN app on their phones and anti-tracking software (and a few other things, but I'm always afraid people will get ideas).

 

[Boxer]

I've been led to believe that there were virtually no "local authorities." It was going to take...hours...for authorities to get to the place where Chynna and Lucas were parked? I may be off.

I'm originally from a part of the world where the "local authorities" are not always within easy reach. It's a US state. But I thought that was the whole issue with the road worker who dialed 911/the Mounties in regard to Chynna and Lucas being stranded and was told it was a 4 hour response time.

Sorry - I was speaking of the Gillam
area search.
That said it, seems like there would be generally regular patrols of highway 97. Would not one of them become involved in the case of stranded motorists?

 

[Schmoosh]

Sorry - I was speaking of the Gillam
area search.
That said it, seems like there would be generally regular patrols of highway 97. Would not one of them become involved in the case of stranded motorists?

Being stranded isn't a police matter. Where CAA/AAA is available, that's who stranded motorists call. The highway department regularly patrols hwy 97, hence the three sightings by them in one day and stopping once to offer assistance.