Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025

[LovesPeace2]

We (Ontario) sell hydro to Minnesota, Michigan, and New York. It's important to keep in mind that if those states have a surplus of hydro and don't need ours, they sell it to surrounding states.

I agree it's unfortunate that this will affect those who didn't vote for Trump, but this is an American problem. They created Trump and they voted him in, twice.

Manitoba needs to do the same

 

[Kemug]

Hi Vern, you suggested that DT needs to take a long hard look at himself in the mirror. Sorry mate, it would only make him even vainer (" only I could look this good in a mirror") He probably spends too much time in front of a mirror anyway. Hopefully one day it will crack.

 

[LoveyG]

It looks to me like Danielle Smith, the Alberta politician is going to suffer from the same silliness as Poiloivre, a case of too much aping and copying of Trumpishness, too much for Albertans to swallow , apparently. These people who , for some ridiculous reason imagine that attaching themselves to the vapid mouthings of Donald somehow enhances their own credentials are becoming, in the words of one former AU PM a 'conga line of sycophants..'

It's not just Danielle, the Tories in Britain fell for it, that's why they are now , for all purposes completely unelectable. Kemi Badenoch will forever be in opposition, as her antecedents found out, Johnson, May, Truss, Sunak, and the opposition in Australia is finding out, the stench just does not go away.. Everyone is watching Donald and saying, dear god, not here, not ever... in many ways, he is doing us all a favour, Canada, NZ, England, AU, France, .. even the French decided that Le Pen was too much Donaldish to bear and they usually give anything a go...

Maybe this is the silver lining. The US going down in flames will save the rest of the western world.

 

[LoveyG]

They’re certainly entitled to it. They’ve paid into the system like everyone else.

Yes they have. And when it comes time to restaff those positions (because we will need govt after all), they will find the trained, experienced employees have moved on. Attrition is high and pay is low compared to private sector jobs. They will have already found better situations, and, will be replaced by new people who have no experience and need to be trained. All of that will, IMO, end up costing the taxpayer a whole lot of extra money. Thanks DJT. Thanks DOGE.

Source: decades working for the govt

 

[LovesPeace2]

The couple, who live in Moncton, New Brunswick, has decided to permanently leave their home away from home in Florida—a decision they never thought they’d make.

The Jeffries’ are just one of the many Canadian “snowbirds” who flock to the U.S. every year to enjoy the mild Florida climate. But as the U.S. government tightens regulations on foreign nationals, including Canadians, their situation has become increasingly difficult.

‘Go home, Canadian’: Snowbird couple parting ways with U.S amid political climate | Globalnews.ca

New Brunswick snowbird couple contemplates skipping Florida winter retreat as political climate between Canada and the U.S. intensifies.

globalnews.ca

 

[LovesPeace2]

She mentions Liberal Leader and prime minister-in-waiting Mark Carney has been musing about the tax on U.S.-bound oil and gas.
Forget about it, says Smith.
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It is “an absurd and self-destructive idea.”
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It is not an option. Smith will not agree to something costing hundreds of thousands of Albertans and other Canadians their jobs.

Bell: Alberta's Premier Smith drops a bomb on Doug Ford and Team Canada

Get lost! Alberta Premier Danielle Smith smacks down a tax on oil going to the U.S., torching a suggestion made by Ontario Premier Doug Ford

calgaryherald.com

 

[sds71]

@JenniferJJacobs

In message that was deleted and reposted, Trump said he will:- "permanently" shut Canadian car industry by raising tariffs substantially-declare a national emergency on energy -raise tariffs on steel and aluminum from Canada to 50%

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899462852659863638

 

[LovesPeace2]

She mentions Liberal Leader and prime minister-in-waiting Mark Carney has been musing about the tax on U.S.-bound oil and gas.
Forget about it, says Smith.
Article content
It is “an absurd and self-destructive idea.”
Article content
It is not an option. Smith will not agree to something costing hundreds of thousands of Albertans and other Canadians their jobs.

Bell: Alberta's Premier Smith drops a bomb on Doug Ford and Team Canada

Get lost! Alberta Premier Danielle Smith smacks down a tax on oil going to the U.S., torching a suggestion made by Ontario Premier Doug Ford

calgaryherald.com

How uncanadian of her supporting trump and USA , she reminds of Quebec's leadership in the 70's 80's separate from Canada era. A lot of Canada is giving her and alberta serious side eye. Hopefully Carney will deal with her sighhhhhh.the rest of Canada is fighting the tariffs while she's going to USA , jmvho

 

[LovesPeace2]

@JenniferJJacobs

In message that was deleted and reposted, Trump said he will:- "permanently" shut Canadian car industry by raising tariffs substantially-declare a national emergency on energy -raise tariffs on steel and aluminum from Canada to 50%

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899462852659863638

TRump was to quiet yesterday he's gunna make up for it today. Carney needs to up his game today. Carney needs to deal with Smith and get all of Canada inline with each other. We only have one province that supports trump and USA . Jmvho

 

[otto]

Adding in the print screen from the o.p. that you quoted to include it here:

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There's the POTUS re-writing history once again and slapping his "look at me, I'm always the victim" card onto the table. In this case, "look at Canada, we are their victims". Likewise with Europe: POTUS slaps tariffs on them, but then plays the victim when they retaliate (prescription drugs etc as done today). FAKE NEWS.

Look at the lies in a mere one tweet!


1) Dairy surcharges of 250-390% are applicable only to those US quantities entering Canada after the agreed upon USMCA volume entering has been met. The quantities that exceed that volume then fall into the 'dumping' category. This has never happened and never will, as sourced numerous times in this thread already, because Canada already produces and supplies all of our own dairy needs. Rant looks good on paper though (a call to not-actually-being-victimized base);

2) "Your not even allowed to do that". LMAO ... says the guy that slapped 25% tariffs on us in breach of his own very Free & Fair Trade Agreement (the best trade deal ever!! circa 2020) USMCA. Uhmmm, yes Donald, we can --- geese and ganders;

3) "Our tariffs are 'reciprocal' ... Canada is an abuser". Actually Dear Leader, you slapped 25% onto us and breached the USMCA International Agreement FIRST. It is our tariffs that are actually the 'reciprocal' response. Add more? We will reciprocate with the amount to match yours once again. As for who is being abusive - such an insult to actual abuse victims. I might suggest he go take a hard look into the mirror and sort himself out; and

4) He doesn't need anything from us. GREAT!! Doug, go ahead and shut off the hydro switches asap as they don't need it!! Then POTUS, shut the door, build the wall and stop being victimized. Problem solved. If not, then "you're" full of it. Europe, Canada, Mexico, etc etc ... say bye, bye as you burn your bridges and we listen to Americans complain about 'being cut off'. Own it Donald - you made it. Rather, he's probably thinking he's just to going to march his troops up here and "take it" -- what a dictator move.

All IMO.

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Exactly.The USA claims to be the innocent party who does nothing more than respond with reciprocal tariffs - the USA is not the tariff aggressor according to the government.

The current USA government was elected because USA citizens believe themselves to be victims of Democrat policy, pet-eating murderous criminal migrants, and unfair treatment by allies around the world. This victim identity unified them in support of Trump because he's going to protect them from all those aggressors and make them rich.

This is exactly what Hitler did to gain power. He convinced the population that they were victims, they were not responsible for the economy or daily challenges. Hitler used propaganda to put a target on an identifiable group and the entire population turned against them. We know how that turned out, but that is the strategy that is used by the USA government today.

 

[otto]

She mentions Liberal Leader and prime minister-in-waiting Mark Carney has been musing about the tax on U.S.-bound oil and gas.
Forget about it, says Smith.
Article content
It is “an absurd and self-destructive idea.”
Article content
It is not an option. Smith will not agree to something costing hundreds of thousands of Albertans and other Canadians their jobs.

Bell: Alberta's Premier Smith drops a bomb on Doug Ford and Team Canada

Get lost! Alberta Premier Danielle Smith smacks down a tax on oil going to the U.S., torching a suggestion made by Ontario Premier Doug Ford

calgaryherald.com

During Team Canada meetings, it was reported that the federal government makes the final decision about tariffs, not provincial leaders. If it comes to it, oil has to be included in tariffs. The federal government has said that Alberta oil industry employees will be protected during difficult times.

 

[LovesPeace2]

Alberta Partners With Enbridge to Expand Pipeline Capacity, Boost Oil Exports to U.S. | Pipeline Technology Journal. Really kind of explains why smiths so buddy buddy with USA she still wants to enlarge the pipeline to USA , when we should be focusing on selling it to other country's not at the discounted price she sells to USA .

 

[Fabled Automatic]

This is exactly what Hitler did to gain power. He convinced the population that they were victims, they were not responsible for the economy or daily challenges. Hitler used propaganda to put a target on an identifiable group and the entire population turned against them. We know how that turned out, but that is the strategy that is used by the USA government today.

Exactly what I believe we're seeing. Instead of doing it against a race though, it's now being done to the lower income folks and identifiable minority groups.

One thing that continues to shock me is how much general hate I see towards lower income people. People on disability, or people who make minimum wage, or who work jobs that don't require post secondary.

It always makes me think of the Lyndon B. Johnson quote;

If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you.

Replace "colored man" with "low income" and the quote is equally as true.

 

[otto]

Doug Ford (Ontario) did not add a tariff, he added a surcharge. He can't add tariffs any more than he can refuse them. Same with Daniel Smith (Alberta).

If Canada wants to push this to the limit, the answer is to stop all oil exports immediately. The USA will feel it within days. The questions is: how will a country full of entitled victims react? Will they tell their government to stop the war, or will their victim identity cause them to lash out more, where they will insist of military war?

I think it would be a mistake to believe that 340M people, who elected their government because they are unified victims, would suddenly gain common sense. I think it's possible that the population would split into those who don't care, those who are intimidated into silence, and those who have been eager for war since Biden was elected.

 

[mickey2942]

There has always been steep taxes on anything sent to Canada from the United States, VAT. It is too expensive for me to send my cousin a gift that I wrap, cheaper to have it sent directly from Amazon to Canada.

People from Canada are always traveling across the border to shop in the United States. And to also get medical care.

I doubt that this will be as dramatic as everyone seems to think.

 

[LovesPeace2]

Emerson border business seeing ‘evaporation of customers’ amid tariff trade war

Businesses along the Canada-U.S. border are feeling the immediate impacts of a trade war with the U.S.

www.ctvnews.ca

Resch’s family has been running the duty free shop for more than four decades. In all that time, he has never seen something like this.

“There’s really no passenger traffic at all,” he told CTV News. “Even with the pandemic, in very recent memory, this is unprecedented.”

 

[Stella123]

Trump threatens new tariffs on Canada​

From CNN's David Goldman
President Donald Trump on Tuesday threatened a sharp escalation in the budding trade war with Canada in retaliation for Ontario’s export surcharge on US electricity.

https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-administration-presidency-ukraine-03-11-2025/index.html

 

[otto]

@JenniferJJacobs

In message that was deleted and reposted, Trump said he will:- "permanently" shut Canadian car industry by raising tariffs substantially-declare a national emergency on energy -raise tariffs on steel and aluminum from Canada to 50%

https://twitter.com/x/status/1899462852659863638

Let's have a look at this latest piece of USA Government Propaganda:

Ontario's surcharge on electricity exported from Canada to the USA is mislabeled as "tariff", implying that individual provinces act independent of the Canadian federal government. The USA government is complaining that the price of something they buy has increased, so they will add a tariffs to Canada.

The USA government claims that Canada is the highest tariff nation in the world, but he is basing that on over-quota dairy imports to Canada. Removing dairy import quotas to Canada could, over a few years, leave Canadians vulnerable to 100% reliance on USA dairy. Furthermore, the USA would force Canadians to accept hormone altered milk, something that is currently banned in Canada (and most Western countries).

The USA declared a national emergency prior to imposing tariffs (fake fentanyl and migrants claims). Announcing again that there is a national emergency, after the price of electricity increased, is USA government theatre.

A surcharge on electricity (retaliation to tariffs) is an abusive threat? Hasn't the USA government been announcing for weeks that the country does not need anything from Canada? Why is a price change on electricity a problem?

The USA government is going to tariff 1/3 of the auto industry. This will shut down the industry, as he claims, except it will shut down 100% of the auto industry (including USA and Mexico).

The USA government then falsely claims to subsidize Canada with $200M per year, and states that Canada relies on the USA for military protection but - never forget that the only barrier between Russia and the USA is Canada.

It's 100% nonsense. The USA government has stated that the USA does not need Canadian electricity, but there appears to be a full angry outburst full of threats that the price went up.

 

[Becky53]

Canada tariffs updates: White House halts plan to double tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminium

US President Donald Trump had threatened to increase 25% tariffs on certain Canadian metals to 50%.

www.bbc.co.uk

Trump out of public view as trade war escalates

It's an extremely quiet day so far at the White House, with only a small handful of reporters and staff members on the property at the moment.

In a few hours, at 13:00 EST (17:00 GMT), White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt is due to hold a press briefing. Tariffs are almost certainly top of the agenda, alongside foreign policy issues such as the Ukraine-Russia talks.

Later, Trump will host a meeting of business leaders at a roundtable in Washington DC.

 

[otto]

Canada tariffs updates: White House halts plan to double tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminium

US President Donald Trump had threatened to increase 25% tariffs on certain Canadian metals to 50%.

www.bbc.co.uk

Trump out of public view as trade war escalates

It's an extremely quiet day so far at the White House, with only a small handful of reporters and staff members on the property at the moment.

In a few hours, at 13:00 EST (17:00 GMT), White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt is due to hold a press briefing. Tariffs are almost certainly top of the agenda, alongside foreign policy issues such as the Ukraine-Russia talks.

Later, Trump will host a meeting of business leaders at a roundtable in Washington DC.

I'm curious - what is the purpose of meeting with "business leaders", and what businesses are they? Shouldn't he be meeting with his government to plan next moves, hear ideas, debate solutions?

In any conflict, commons sense dictates that de-escalation is the best option. Is the USA government interested in the best option, or is the government looking at Canada with greedy eyes and scheming to escalate with the dream of owning Canadians?