Canada - USA Trade War commencing March 2025

[CrimeDawg123]

He's a brilliant business man. In his own opinion. IMO

And ONLY in his opinion

 

[Herat]

I suspect that if USAnians thought they could get the Canadian universal healthcare system, suddenly and without firearms Canada would have a huge new 11th province to the south.

 

[Betty P]

$400k per days adds up to $146 million per year. Ontario Premier Doug Ford is also prepared to take USA states off the electricity grid if the USA escalates the war.

What a mess the USA is creating for itself; an act of self-mutilation.

"Surcharge will generate up to $400K per day to be used for worker, business supports: province
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He added the magnitude of the levy could be increased if the Trump administration continues to escalate its trade war against Canada.

"Until these tariffs are off the table, until these tariffs are gone for good, Ontario will not relent. We will not back down," Ford said alongside Ontario Energy Minister Stephen Lecce."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-electricity-tariffs-ford-trump-1.7479180

Hang in there. Stand up to Trump. Americans are on your side. ETA: I like someone else's use of USians.

 

[otto]

I wish he wouldn't do that to states that didn't even vote for Trump. It just seems vindictive, rather than strategic.

The USA has waged war against Canada, all of Canada, from coast to coast to coast. Canada has to do everything it can to respond to that war.

The United States is one country, not a collection of little countries where some are viewed as nice and others not so nice. It is one united country launching war on Canada and we should not care which part of the USA pays the price first or last. It is the responsibility of the USA to fix the consequences of their mistake..

It is strategic - Canada doesn't stoop to "vindictive".

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Vern]

Canada would seek to invoke NATO Article 5, which would put non North American NATO in a very difficult position. Everybody's sympathies would be with the Canadians, but we would all be hamstrung in the short term by our current military dependance on the United States. Basically, Canada's role in this putative WWIII would be Poland's in WWII.

Until us in Europe can build up our militaries without having recourse to American weaponry and intelligence, I don't see how the cavalry could come running to Canada's rescue.

That's the BINGO.

Some of us actually suspect that's The Plan. To create chaos/diversion, strike. Because, "he keeps sayin' it".

The remnants of European NATO having to deal with the Russian horde - in a conventional warfare means keeps them tied up there ... and

Canada's then easily victimized over here. But, given our situation, it wouldn't be convenional warfare occuring in our territory. It would be geurilla warfare. Think Vietnam, Iraq, IRA and, in quite a few ways - 1812 (sobotage and our burning down of the White House etc).

Canadians have a lot of guns. We just have a completely different, almost unseen, gun culture than our neighbours to the south. We also have a population that has never had to resort to conscription through the ages. In the Boer Wars, WW1, WW2 and Korea, Canadians dropped what what they were doing and immediately lined up to volunteer by the thousands to go fight on foreign soils even though none was impeding our very own shores at the time. Allied tatctics developed over the years, largely come from Canadians lived experiences and 'on the go' thinking outside of the tactical box on the ground to punch through to victory. Lessons Learned. At Paardeburg, at Ortona, at Ypres, The Somme. Vimy Ridge ... when no other ally could punch through and win. We did. That bodes well for us.

Now, we also happen to have the largest diaspora of Ukrainians in the world - a proven hardy bunch themselves!

IMO.


I will remember them. No poppy icon to use in the box, but never-the-less consider one placed here.

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[Vern]

Poilievre was probably the right choice for the Conservative Party when Biden was president. He can win arguments. Canadians have to re-think their political choices today. There is a war, and we need to choose the best man to push back regardless of political parties.

Yes, telling Canadians that we are broken is not a good strategy. It makes us feel helpless, like we have to prepare for the worst - which is not a good place to be.

Carney said during his first address yesterday that Canada is not broken. That's important for Canadians to hear.

Jean Chretien gave a great speech, and mentioned a few times that he stood up to the USA trying to bully Canada. This is not the first time the USA has taken a run at Canada, so Canada has to do what it has done since 1776 - stand tall and push back.

I'll be honest; I detest Trudeau.

That has an awful lot to do with with every post Cold-War Liberal government cashing in on the "post-Cold-War Peace Dividend" to plunder, deplete and starve our military - thus Canadians!! - of our ability to defend our allies and ourselves.

We were a middle power. Now we are a gnat.

"A peacekeeper nation" (Canadian soldiers hate that term btw) they say. No were are not. We have never been. The UN and the world loves and wants the Canadian Military as it's peacekeepers exactly because we are such damn good warfighters so neither side wishes to have us aiming their way in a breach.

What we are experiencing today is a direct reflection of those policies.

What I do have positive to say, is that they claim "everything is on the table" so it had best be. And blue helmet peacekeeping is not what should be on the table. If a nation wants security, then it had best ante up and commit to that security.

Regardless, Canadian soldiers will do what they can to defend this beautiful nation from threats. It would be mighty nice if we are finally enabled to actually do so. That's up to the next government to decide and I'm certain it will be a question asked of those contenders.

It's time. It's well past time. IMO.

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[Herat]

That's the BINGO.

Some of us actually suspect that's The Plan. To create chaos/diversion, strike. Because, "he keeps sayin' it".

The remnants of European NATO having to deal with the Russian horde - in a conventional warfare means keeps them tied up there ... and

Canada's then easily victimized over here. But, given our situation, it wouldn't be convenional warfare occuring in our territory. It would be geurilla warfare. Think Vietnam, Iraq, IRA and, in quite a few ways - 1812 (sobotage and our burning down of the White House etc).

Canadians have a lot of guns. We just have a completely different, almost unseen, gun culture than our neighbours to the south. We also have a population that has never had to resort to conscription through the ages. In the Boer Wars, WW1, WW2 and Korea, Canadians dropped what what they were doing and immediately lined up to volunteer by the thousands to go fight on foreign soils even though none was impeding our very own shores at the time. Allied tatctics developed over the years, largely come from Canadians lived experiences and 'on the go' thinking outside of the tactical box on the ground to punch through to victory. Lessons Learned. At Paardeburg, at Ortona, at Ypres, The Somme. Vimy Ridge ... when no other ally could punch through and win. We did. That bodes well for us.

Now, we also happen to have the largest diaspora of Ukrainians in the world - a proven hardy bunch themselves!

IMO.


I will remember them. No poppy icon to use in the box, but never-the-less consider one placed here.

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I, too, suspect:

Create Chaos
Make the Chaos international
Make the Chaos national
But, surely, make the Chaos personal at the level of jobs, healthcare, and social security.

Keep everyone off balance so they can't follow the shell game which leads to absolute unchallengeable power.

 

[303gmf]

I suspect that if USAnians thought they could get the Canadian universal healthcare system, suddenly and without firearms Canada would have a huge new 11th province to the south.

Sign me up! Can I chose BC though?

 

[Herat]

Sign me up! Can I chose BC though?

How about the province of South Canada

Or Southern United Canadian Kooperative, using the abbreviation in everday language.

This does really help with the issue of trying to fit a 51st star onto the Stars and Stripes.

And does help to keep someone's face off of Mr. Rushmore.

 

[Vern]

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Keep everyone off balance so they can't follow the shell game which leads to absolute unchallengeable power.

"Martial Law."

That's always where the beginning of the end within a nation begins.

IMO.

 

[Vern]

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To whichever mod edited these poppies in for me, a HUGE "Thank You!!"

 

[otto]

I'll be honest; I detest Trudeau.

That has an awful lot to do with with every post Cold-War Liberal government cashing in on the "post-Cold-War Peace Dividend" to plunder, deplete and starve our military - thus Canadians!! - of our ability to defend our allies and ourselves.

We were a middle power. Now we are a gnat.

"A peacekeeper nation" (Canadian soldiers hate that term btw) they say. No were are not. We have never been. The UN and the world loves and wants the Canadian Military as it's peacekeepers exactly because we are such damn good warfighters so neither side wishes to have us aiming their way in a breach.

What we are experiencing today is a direct reflection of those policies.

What I do have positive to say, is that they claim "everything is on the table" so it had best be. And blue helmet peacekeeping is not what should be on the table. If a nation wants security, then it had best ante up and commit to that security.

Regardless, Canadian soldiers will do what they can to defend this beautiful nation from threats. It would be mighty nice if we are finally enabled to actually do so. That's up to the next government to decide and I'm certain it will be a question asked of those contenders.

It's time. It's well past time. IMO.

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Trudeau had a minority government, so a lot of people were unhappy with him, but it took an internal party revolt to finally get rid of him. Carney as a replacement is brilliant. Canada is facing threats against sovereignty unseen by today's Canadians (not unheard of in Canadian history).

Canadians need to elect the best man to defend the country, someone with a plan to radically change the future of Canada's economic relationships. Carney is well positioned to do that.

If Carney wants the Conservative vote, which is entirely possible, he has to repeatedly state that he will pave the way for West-North-East oil exports to new markets. That is the priority for Western Canada, something that Trudeau strategically blocked. Carney has to prove between now and the next election that he supports the interests of Western Canadians, not just Eastern Canada (as with Trudeau).

Increased salaries for Canadian military personnel, better pensions and better care for the wounded will go a long way in Ontario, and with all those across Canada who have family in the military.

New global trade partners and strengthened military are the best response to tariffs and threats against sovereignty. Remove the control that Canada gave the USA through trust and treaties, take back control of Canada, become a respected, reliable, trustworthy world leader again.

 

[Kudzuu]

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Thank you to all non US folks who continue to support the citizens of the US who do not condone the mistreatment of our allies and punish innocent people.

 

[Herat]

I think it's a great help the Carney can talk financial language with experise and will not get lost in the vapid huge broad brush comments T uses, thinking that makes him look smart.

 

[HmmMysterious]

The Dow dropped 1,000 points after Trump said he can't rule out a recession triggered by this trade war. This man has gone bankrupt like 6 times I think. People were idiots thinking he could improve the economy.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/09/stock-market-news-today-live-updates.html

 

[Cryptic]

Canadian companies pay stumpage fees. It's not free wood.

Very true- nothing is free. US companies are charged market value for access to trees (either buy private land, or pay market value to lease public land). Canadian stumpage fees, however are below market value.

 

[Cryptic]

"Market Value" is subject to the market.

Have you seen the amount of Crown Land available in Canada vs. the United States?

Canada = approx 89% of Canada is Crown Land (41% Federal Crown Lands & 48% Provincial Crown Lands) OR

Canadian Crown Lands = 8,886,356 km2

United States = 2.6 million km2


We're bigger than them. We simply have an overabundance of Crown Lands that they do not. The "market value" is not even remotely the same.

To say it should be is like saying that someone buying a house in Joe Batt's Arm, Newfoundland & Labrador should be paying the same price for a house as someone in downtown Manhatten, NY.

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Apples to oranges.

It does not matter how much land is public in Canada verse how much is public in the US. What matters is that the Canadian government allows Canadian lumber companies to harvest trees for fees that are below market value.

That is what the tariffs are designed to correct.

 

[otto]

I think it's a great help the Carney can talk financial language with experise and will not get lost in the vapid huge broad brush comments T uses, thinking that makes him look smart.

The USA will have to assign someone with financial experience to talk with Carney since Carney has better things to do than waste time explaining finances to the USA, or talking with someone who cannot understand what he's saying.

 

[Fabled Automatic]

I wish he wouldn't do that to states that didn't even vote for Trump. It just seems vindictive, rather than strategic.

We (Ontario) sell hydro to Minnesota, Michigan, and New York. It's important to keep in mind that if those states have a surplus of hydro and don't need ours, they sell it to surrounding states.

I agree it's unfortunate that this will affect those who didn't vote for Trump, but this is an American problem. They created Trump and they voted him in, twice.