NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[nhmemorymaker]

CNN:

"Luigi Mangione got dozens of letters and donations in jail during his brief time in Pennsylvania before his expected move to New York today.:

"As of Tuesday afternoon, Mangione had received 158 deposits into his commissary account, which inmates can use to purchase personal items like snacks and toiletries, according to Maria Bivens, a spokesperson for the Pennsylvania Department of Corrections."

"Mangione also received more than 50 letters, Bivens said..."

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/the-latest-on-the-unitedhealthcare-ceo-killing-suspect-12-19-24/index.html

I really wonder if he had any idea that this would be the outcome of his actions.
Maybe he is becoming a totally different animal now....

I truly believe he was a chameleon his whole life... so what is he going to become now.

 

[girlhasnoname]

The victim in this particular case doesn't need the money either. Also, the money is earmarked, but most of these groups have clauses that allow the money to go to another defendant in case the specific defendant doesn't need it.

These tee shirts might explain why young people are so supportive of him.

We don't actually know the financial situation of BT's family. They could sue LM for wrongful death in civil court if LM does in fact have $6M.

The t-shirts are beyond words I can say here. A man was gunned down on the street, he is a victim regardless of the job he had.

JMO

 

[sds71]

Sources tell CBS News Luigi Mangione is expected to be charged with a federal crime in connection with the murder of United Health Care CEO Brian Thompson.

His attorney Karen Friedman-Agnifilo tells CBS New York, “The federal government's reported decision to pile on top of an already overcharged first-degree murder and state terror case is highly unusual and raises serious constitutional and statutory double jeopardy concerns. We are ready to fight these charges in whatever court they are brought."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869741537694732784

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I think Mangione wants his day in court to testify his beliefs at the time of the shooting - to deliver his 2.5 page magnificent Mussolini quality manifesto. I don't think he cares whether it changes his sentence, he just wants to make a statement that is heard. Because he has groupies, and because his radical beliefs are distorted from reality, this should not be allowed. Better that he is deemed unfit than allowed to ignite low intelligence copycat radicals.

Definitely. His groping groupies are growing.

 

[citygirl]

Sources tell CBS News Luigi Mangione is expected to be charged with a federal crime in connection with the murder of United Health Care CEO Brian Thompson.

His attorney Karen Friedman-Agnifilo tells CBS New York, “The federal government's reported decision to pile on top of an already overcharged first-degree murder and state terror case is highly unusual and raises serious constitutional and statutory double jeopardy concerns. We are ready to fight these charges in whatever court they are brought."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1869741537694732784

At least for a sec he looked calmer. MOO

 

[Marantz4250b]

No Aurora shooter...manifesto, smart, keeping to self, more kazynskish. Prolly where theyre getting terrorist from. Luigi was very set on his agenda and has many followers. Eagerly awaiting HIS story

I wouldn't hold your breath for anything interesting or insightful, tbh. It will, I'm sure, be just the nonsensical ramblings of someone with mental health/personality disorder problems.

 

[Marantz4250b]

I was curious how the polling question was worded, here it is plus a decent graph. Scroll down some in the link, there were several questions unrelated to this murder.

December 2024 National Poll: Young Voters Diverge from Majority on Crypto, TikTok, and CEO Assassination - Emerson Polling

Majority Think Tariffs Will Hurt US Economy Majority oppose Biden’s Pardon of Hunter & Trump’s…Full Release & Results

emersoncollegepolling.com

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You know what, I'm not sure that I actually believe poll companies. The fact that 77% of any demographic consider shooting someone in the back is anything other than completely unacceptable makes my mind boggle. That simply cannot be true. It just can't.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I was curious how the polling question was worded, here it is plus a decent graph. Scroll down some in the link, there were several questions unrelated to this murder.

December 2024 National Poll: Young Voters Diverge from Majority on Crypto, TikTok, and CEO Assassination - Emerson Polling

Majority Think Tariffs Will Hurt US Economy Majority oppose Biden’s Pardon of Hunter & Trump’s…Full Release & Results

emersoncollegepolling.com

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A lot is being focused on the 18-29 age group. Maybe that generation simply lacks a moral compass or have played too many video games to know what is real? Even 10% of the 60+ and 70+ groups felt the killer's actions are at least somewhat acceptable. 10%!

 

[CrimeDawg123]

You know what, I'm not sure that I actually believe poll companies. The fact that 77% of any demographic consider shooting someone in the back is anything other than completely unacceptable makes my mind boggle. That simply cannot be true. It just can't.

I agree. Do we know where and when this poll was taken? I wish they would re-poll now that a bit of time has passed.

 

[girlhasnoname]

This will generate a lot of anger in the society.

Sincerely curious as to how that would generate a lot of anger in society? As a whole, or just a particular group?

 

[Marantz4250b]

Sad IMO. I might have to forgo doing such a search.

And as post #934 above indicates….. since it seems the suspect has about $6 million dollars or thereabouts at his hand, maybe all those supposed efforts to fund his defense could instead be used for the victim and victim’s family of this IMO senseless slaying. MOO

If it's true that he access to that much money then it can only add even less justification for what he did!

We have an arrogant rich brat who's decided he hates the medical insurance industry so deeply that he's entitled to shoot someone in the back in the middle of a public street.....yah cos that'll address the problems in the industry dude!!!

Anyone with any sense of social justice would put his $6m to work by, I don't know, starting a charitable/non-profit/ethical insurance company? Or, how about using that money for political purposes to change how stuff works?

I am becoming ever more convinced that whatever motivations were it wasn't really about the health insurance industry. More likely some wider ranging anti-big business, general socialist mentality. I'd bet that if he hadn't been caught the next target would have been someone who heads an oil company, power or water company or somesuch.

 

[Tiff23fr]

@otto states.... Will charging him with terrorism feed the masses and derail the intent argument?

I feel the answer to this is a resounding YES. There is much logical and sound argument saying this is NOT terrorism, primarily 'how many people are actually put into a state of fear'. All executives running Healthcare systems is not a large number.
I think stressing this strategy will derail the intent, significantly.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I see it as Terrorism, and I see something that LE is quickly trying to get in front of. There is a unique story strand underpinning to this.

I also don’t believe he worked alone, though quickly putting as much on paper to the Feds was a great play on Optics.

 

[legalese]

CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/18/us/luigi-mangione-murder-indictment-new-york/index.html

Very much agree with this. To me, the charging decisions in this case seem to indicate that CEOs are, in fact, more important than your average citizen.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Investigators reveal why they believe Luigi Mangione didn't act alone

Top crime investigators are convinced the suspected UnitedHealthcare CEO shooter carried out the cold-blooded murderer with the help of an accomplice, DailyMail.com can reveal.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Accomplice???

Statements by people categorically not connected to the actual investigation!

It's just click-bait nonsense.

If you take statements from unconnected people at face value you just get loads of stupidity. Lucy Letby has been railroaded into a conviction for murdering babies, dontcha know! Total madness but it's what sells papers and gets clicks.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Very much agree with this. To me, the charging decisions in this case seem to indicate that CEOs are, in fact, more important than your average citizen.

How do you arrive at that?

The charges seem perfectly valid and appropriate, as far as I can tell.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Does USA Federal Law allow locally grown terrorists to proclaim manifestos during trial?

Everyone in North America has the right to defend themselves against prosecution where court testimony relates to charges. If he is charged with terrorism, I doubt he can testify a defence of Manifesto without implying guilt.

Better that he is put in a psychiatric ward until fit to stand trial than open the door to a mentally ill man inspiring other simple minded people.

I don't think it has been established by professionals what LM's mental status is for certain. I'm sure they will do intake testing, but I don't think they are just going to lock him up in the Psych Ward until more information is known.

He could very well be sane with a particular narrative he's pushing. I just don't know if we have enough information right now to assume he is mentally ill, what we do know of his manifestos are really not focused on one particular thing.

He speaks of Capitalism, plastic poisoning, birth rates in Japan, wealth distribution, (although he clearly benefitted from that his whole life). Ramblings, yes I agree. To what extent are they part of mental illness? I don't know, although it's obviously not correct thinking.

He was sane and smart enough to receive a Bachelors and Master Degree from an Ivy League College in 4 years (incredible) and to plot, plan and carry out this assassination. If not for his love of Mickey D's, who knows where he'd be today.

JMO

 

[dotr]

Maybe LM retained some of his grandfather's righteous anger, maybe Luigi saw BT as the quintessential wasp? speculation, imo.

White Anglo-Saxon Protestants - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Behavior of Luigi Mangione's tycoon grandpa accused of Mafia ties

Nicholas Mangione Sr lived the rags to riches dream after he and his brother were forced to become breadwinners for their immigrant family at the age of 11.

www.dailymail.co.uk

''The grandfather of suspected UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson killer Luigi Mangione has been branded a bully businessman who did not deny having Mafia ties.''

'According to The New York Times, after he thought he was being discriminated against at country clubs in the 70s because he was Italian, he decided to buy his own resort.
After he get tired of waiting for permission to then build a second golf course at one of his clubs, he sent in bulldozers anyway to have the land cleared out.
The elder Mangione also saw that a soccer coach was barred from his club after his son was cut from his team.''

 

[legalese]

How do you arrive at that?

The charges seem perfectly valid and appropriate, as far as I can tell.

If BT were not the CEO of a major healthcare company, there would not be first degree murder or terrorism charges imo. BT, unfortunately, is not the only victim of gun violence in NYC, but it is not common to see first degree murder, terrorism, and possible federal charges filed against the defendant.

 

[Marantz4250b]

And if that matters, even a little bit, then people like that shouldn't be on a jury. Ever.

You can hate the victim. You can hate the industry. But cold blooded premeditated murder is cold blooded premeditated murder.

I think that the "noise" to do with potential jury nullification is just that - noise. It's not going to happen.

All that needs to be done is for someone to say something along the lines of ...if you acquit this defendant for any reason other than the prosecution failing to prove its case then you are accepting that someone who shoots you, your husband, your wife, your child or loved one because they didn't agree with your decision cannot be convicted. That will be the reality of your decision and society will for ever more have to live by it.

Not going to happen.

 

[BrianJohnson]

The federal charges are probably there to pressure him to plead guilty on state 1st degree murder

“Plead guilty to 1st and we might let you out after 40 years, take it to trial good chance you will fry in the electric chair”