NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[ChrisM]

Top ten companies by market cap - UHC is not on the list (and hasn't been for the past 5+ years). Neither is Walmart. LM's information is old and probably comes from books he read (that are 10+ years old).

uhg may not be on the list by market cap but that is only one measure. uhg, according to wikipedia, is 4th largest in usa by revenue, and 9th globally. (walmart is, and has has been #1 since 2014.) his info is up to date.

List of largest companies by revenue - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Miss Poovy]

uhg may not be on the list by market cap but that is only one measure. uhg, according to wikipedia, is 4th largest in usa by revenue, and 9th globally. (walmart is, and has has been #1 since 2014.) his info is up to date.

List of largest companies by revenue - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

However, if the target is insurance companies, UHC does have the largest revenue on this chart.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Yes. To me, this "arranged his own hit" thing, is more insane than the foreign hitman theory, which made me want to jump off a bridge early on. It's worse than the "maybe she was sex trafficked thing," which comes up in every single missing person's case involving a woman.

People get complacent, and complacency can kill.

Precisely! People's ability to invent insane conspiracy theories never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Rumination1]

ITA.

And, his supporters just might disgust me even more than LM... supporting and regurgitating rubbish.

jmo

What is ITA?

 

[detective.moon]

Anyone have an idea of how much his defense lawyer will charge for a case like this?

i wonder if they could be working pro-bono because it’s such a high profile case? (no other signs pointing towards this, just a thought)

Poor Mr. Dickey. But I guess he got his 15 minutes.

i liked mr. dickey, i wish we got to see more of him!

 

[stanerd]

The difference is very obvious in his face. No wonder the mother had doubts. He now looks like someone in prison for years, that dead, I don't give a s**hit ĺook, Scott Peterson had it before someone goosed him with the new get out of jail scheme.
In just a year or so. His whole face has fallen. Looks 36 easily, nothing like his actual age.

I noticed that too. A dead look on his face. He looks like someone who realized that the good life is over and the rest of his life will be hell. He didn't look so happy in the McDonald's picture either. Probably sometime after leaving New York, he realized that he ruined his life.

 

[Betty P]

The difference is very obvious in his face. No wonder the mother had doubts. He now looks like someone in prison for years, that dead, I don't give a s**hit ĺook, Scott Peterson had it before someone goosed him with the new get out of jail scheme.
In just a year or so. His whole face has fallen. Looks 36 easily, nothing like his actual age.

I don’t think the prosecution will have a hard time building a case against LM. He might possibly be able to delay a trial if he’s found not competent.

Otherwise, there’s probably a chance he could

Poor Mr. Dickey. But I guess he got his 15 minutes.

He's probably the attorney while LM is in PA. It sounds like the new attorney handles the work in NY, a much bigger job.

 

[Rumination1]

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I dunno

My opinion only but I sense he was trying to impress some girl

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Love your post except for the sentence ''We can recognise that capitalism is the most effective economic system in history'' There isn't any need for a generalisation here; you can recognise it if you like (I am guessing you are seeing this from an American perspective) I won't as there are at least five alternatives to capitalism just as effective and one that is even more effective and fairer with people. Jmoo.

As for Mr Witty providing an insight into BT as a person, as a worker from his own experience as a colleague, and his humble beginnings, this is lovely and much needed to get a balanced press on this case.

Now what is really missing is for him to carry out an exercise of self-criticism so that he can explain why his company still denies one third of all claims as his words do not seem to match his business actions.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/vargasreports/health-insurance-delay-tactic-cigna-unitedhealthcare/#:~:text=Mathew said that UnitedHealthcare denies,insurance companies,” he said.

And I love your post, and the post to which you responded. I had a long response to a poster regarding the American Capitalism that, in my mind is really on trial as well. But it did get deleted because the poster's post that I was responding to got deleted as "off topic".

But to me, the principles of Capitalism, and more specifically Free Market Capitalism ARE on topic and ARE also on trial here.
I actually thought a spin-off thread would be appropriate in this very case.
But I just think that most folks outside of America would eventually get quite bored with a subject that has no final outcomes or answers...We come to Websleuths for answers and justice...not philosophy!!!

I guess my long winded post is simply a hope that we can weave these larger discussions into our dialogue here.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I dunno

My opinion only but I sense he was trying to impress some girl

His mom?

 

[detective.moon]

But I just think that most folks outside of America would eventually get quite bored with a subject that has no final outcomes or answers...We come to Websleuths for answers and justice...not philosophy!!!

as someone outside of america, i love learning about all kinds of unexpected things through different cases here!

 

[Baby baby Jane]

IMO this murder result of an emotionally unwell individual
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not the result of a “system” of government.

There are no answers to find in his writings, social media or travels. His mind is in disarray. We will soon learn that LM is unfit for trial.

 

[citygirl]

Great post and sadly true, IMO.

 

[arielilane]

What is ITA?

ITA = I Totally Agree / I Think Alike

Here's a list of WS lingo:

Thread 'Websleuths Lingo'

Oct 12, 2010

Thank you KaylynnCouture & ApotheKaren for updating list!

AFAIC = As Far As I'm Concerned
AFAIK = And For All I Know /As far as I know
AFK = Away From Keyboard
AFKBPOFPOPL = Association For Keeping Basement Party On Front Page Of Parking Lot
AKA = Also Known As
AI = Artificial Intelligence
BARD = Beyond a Reasonable Doubt
BFF = Best Friend(s) Forever
BBIAB = Be Back In A Bit
BBL = Be Back Later
BBS = Be Back Soon
BBM = Bolded By Me
BH = Bounty Hunters
BRB = Be Right Back
BS =...

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[Marantz4250b]

IMO this murder result of an emotionally unwell individual
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not the result of a “system” of government.

There are no answers to find in his writings, social media or travels. His mind is in disarray. We will soon learn that LM is unfit for trial.

I very much doubt that. To be found unfit you basically have to be so mentally befuddled that you are unable to comprehend what going on. That you are incapable of directing your own defence case.

He is well capable, imo. Yes, he seems utterly crazy, but not in the way that he doesn't know what's going on. He had the mental capacity to plan a well thought-out murder (allegedly) including a getaway and remain on the run for several days. He knew exactly what he was doing and that it was deeply wrong.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

i wonder if they could be working pro-bono because it’s such a high profile case? (no other signs pointing towards this, just a thought)

News reports are saying he "hired" Karen Friedman Agnifilo but she very well could be working for little or no money. She might just see this as a win-win, yet another way to gain fame. Her husband is a defense attorney in the Diddy case mentioned in the WS thread. Seems like kind of a family thing to defend high profile cases.

UnitedHealthcare CEO killing latest: Investigators spoke to Mangione's mother before arrest

Mangione’s mother had filed a missing persons report about her son on Nov. 18.

abcnews.go.com

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[Marantz4250b]

Something which struck me the other day - the firearms people on here will know what I'm talking about. Something was bugging me since the cops released the pictures of the gun they recovered from LM. When I first saw the video of the shooting I was convinced that I saw a reflex sight on the rear of the gun in the position that the regular rear sight would have been

Look at the video in the link below. Full screen it and stop it around 1:58 - the shooter brings the gun down to bear on the target and as he does so there is a very brief flash of light right at the top rear of the slide.

The registered with me as light catching the lens of a reflex sight. They look like this:

It also appeared to me that he cupped his hand over the sight in order to use it to provide a better purchase when he racked the slide to clear the mis-feed but that isn't shown on that particular video.

The pictures of the gun don't show one of those sights, however. They show the regular rear sight.

I may well be wrong, probably am.

Edit: actually, scratch that, I'm wrong. It was his hand by the looks of it.

 

[Tiff23fr]

There is a lot to unpack in here regarding his time in HI:

Inside Luigi Mangione’s time as a beach bum in Hawaiian paradise — with accused UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin tickling girls, Tinder matching a yoga guru

“Of course I’m shocked but there was a darkness to him that was always there,” one pal told The Post.

nypost.com

 

[skiron]

I very much doubt that. To be found unfit you basically have to be so mentally befuddled that you are unable to comprehend what going on. That you are incapable of directing your own defence case.

He is well capable, imo. Yes, he seems utterly crazy, but not in the way that he doesn't know what's going on. He had the mental capacity to plan a well thought-out murder (allegedly) including a getaway and remain on the run for several days. He knew exactly what he was doing and that it was deeply wrong.

According to the lawyers quoted in this Guardian article, it seems that he would only need to show this kind of moral confusion at the time of the act, and not be incapable of directing his own defence?

“If you are suffering from a substantial mental disease or defect, then it makes it unlikely that you could really appreciate the consequences of the acts, and that it was wrong based on your mental health at the time of the act.”

And according to a lawyer in New York, the 'extreme emotional disturbance' defence could be used, which, if successful, would bring down his sentence to 5-25 years:

“So what you’re left with is potentially a psych defense. Based solely on what’s out there, [it is] possible that extreme emotional disturbance was at play. Usually, these defenses are ‘something terrible happened, and somebody snaps’."

The lawyer thinks that the 'extreme emotional disturbance' defence would be Luigi's best chance.

[Edited to add italics.]

‘Only one viable defense’: how might the CEO murder case play out in court?

Lawyers weigh suspect’s options to fight charge he murdered UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson

www.theguardian.com

 

[Marantz4250b]

According to the lawyers quoted in this Guardian article, it seems that he would only need to show this kind of moral confusion at the time of the act, and not be incapable of directing his own defence?

“If you are suffering from a substantial mental disease or defect, then it makes it unlikely that you could really appreciate the consequences of the acts, and that it was wrong based on your mental health at the time of the act.”

And according to a lawyer in New York, the 'extreme emotional disturbance' defence could be used, which, if successful, would bring down his sentence to 5-25 years:

“So what you’re left with is potentially a psych defense. Based solely on what’s out there, [it is] possible that extreme emotional disturbance was at play. Usually, these defenses are ‘something terrible happened, and somebody snaps’."

The lawyer thinks that the 'extreme emotional disturbance' defence would be Luigi's best chance.

[Edited to add italics.]

‘Only one viable defense’: how might the CEO murder case play out in court?

Lawyers weigh suspect’s options to fight charge he murdered UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson

www.theguardian.com

That's quite different to him being declared "unfit for trial" which is the point I was responding to.

You make a valid point, though. I'm not sure how successful that defence would be, however, as demonstrating that he had no forethought or appreciation of his acts is surely an uphill battle given the extreme level of planning and his days of attempting to evade being caught. He clearly must have known that what he was doing was wrong.