NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[Tiff23fr]

There is a lot to unpack in here regarding his time in HI:

Inside Luigi Mangione’s time as a beach bum in Hawaiian paradise — with accused UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin tickling girls, Tinder matching a yoga guru

“Of course I’m shocked but there was a darkness to him that was always there,” one pal told The Post.

nypost.com

Check out his alleged T profile and data. (Image is in linked article above)

 

[Betty P]

“Addicts typically commit crimes involving theft because they need money to buy drugs. This guy had thousands of dollars on him, so that motive is out. Plus he wrote his "manifesto" about his motives, which are ideological in nature.”
This is not a forum on addiction so I’ll keep it simple. Drugs /alcohol - their repeated use alter the brain chemistry in many different ways for many people. It is a complex issue and comes in many shapes and sizes and leads to many behavioral/ personality changes. It leads to altered judgements and behavior and can open the door to many different mental health issues.
It is not an excuse for behavior of any sort. There is no excuse for murder. This guy is culpable as hell for all his actions. And he will def be held accountable imo.
To understand what he was doing begins to shine a light for me on how he got to where he is.
From what I understand, so far, he went from being a bright pretty normal acting kid to committing a monstrous act. So imo the drug abuse is very possibly a pretty big contributing factor to why he went so far off the “rails”.
Just my opinion.

JMO, prescription drugs should also be considered. Certain drugs prescribed for anxiety and depressants (SSRIs) can have terrible side effects for some people from delusions to paranoia to hallucinations. It's possible he was prescribed one of these drugs to deal with side effects of back pain.

LE and defense attorneys are probably looking into all of these things. They aren't necessarily going to discuss it with the news media, though. We'll probably learn more as his case gets into the pre-trial stage.

JMO

 

[detective.moon]

In First Poll Released Since Killing, Young Americans Favor Luigi Mangione over UnitedHealthcare & Slain CEO Brian Thompson – Center for Strategic Politics

stratpolitics.org

some poll results on what people think about this case. the sample size is only 455, but i still thought it was interesting.

there’s more results in the link (men’s opinions vs women’s, what people with different political leanings think, etc)

 

[skiron]

That's quite different to him being declared "unfit for trial" which is the point I was responding to.

You make a valid point, though. I'm not sure how successful that defence would be, however, as demonstrating that he had no forethought or appreciation of his acts is surely an uphill battle given the extreme level of planning and his days of attempting to evade being caught. He clearly must have known that what he was doing was wrong.

The lawyer does indeed state that, if jurors accept that the defendant comitted murder due to ‘mental disease and defect' (which clouded judgement at the time of the murder, meaning he wasn't able "to really understand the consequences of his conduct, appreciate that it was wrong"), then no trial would take place: the defendant would instead "be sent to a secure mental health facility and stay there until found not to be a danger to themself or others".

[EDIT: Sorry, I guess a trial would take place, but the defendant wouldn't go to prison at the end of it. Got confused there.]

If he has something severe going on, like schizophrenia, and if he thought that 'killing the CEO would end my pain' or something, this would seem to be a clear case where he'd be sent to a mental health facility. It seems that it wouldn't matter that he planned it all out; he would have been planning it out in a delusional state for delusional ends. We'll have to see if he gets a psychistric assessment through his lawyer, and what the result might be.

 

[legalese]

Given how intelligent and successful LM was, I wonder if his ego would allow him to use mental health or addiction as his defense. Seems like it would be a conflict against his grandiose ideas of why he targeted BT. IIRC the "manifesto" which is being circulated states that he didn't have any of these issues.

Anyone have an idea of how much his defense lawyer will charge for a case like this?

She’s definitely charging him a pretty penny. Including trial fees, I’d say in the six figure range.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

McDonald's employee who called 911 in CEO's shooting is eligible for a reward, but it will take time

More than 400 tips were called into the New York Police Department's Crime Stoppers tip line during the five-day search for a masked gunman who ambushed and fatally shot UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson last week. NYPD officials said about 30 of those tips were useful as information about...

www.yahoo.com

Details about how both FBI and NYC LE review and adjudicate reward money, including information on how they can split a reward in two or more ways if the tips that have come in warrant this action.

I hope they treat this reward with expediency... fairly and quickly. If they delay and quibble on this, the backlash will be horrible. IMO, get it out there as soon as possible.
Too many people are already getting heated about this.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Given how intelligent and successful LM was, I wonder if his ego would allow him to use mental health or addiction as his defense. Seems like it would be a conflict against his grandiose ideas of why he targeted BT. IIRC the "manifesto" which is being circulated states that he didn't have any of these issues.

Anyone have an idea of how much his defense lawyer will charge for a case like this?

I think his ego has been shattered. If he was doing well at TrueCar with promotions, then why was he in the first round of layoffs.??? That ego has gotten him tremendous reward in the past. Did his performance have anything to do with him being laid off (He had expressed boredom with his job), or was the layoff based on seniority? Any layoff plan must have a methodology. He may have been shocked at being laid off.

I also think that any defense lawyer would take this case for the notoriety. And would get paid plenty given the family resources.
My guess is that his parents are interviewing for the "best lawyers" possible, and will pay heartily.

I think the ego is the big issue:
Is he shattered enough to let the previous protective family and their resources guide him going forward??
Or....
Is he going to maintain a fired-up ego to go into this on Blazing Saddles, and not accepting the resources the family could provide???

 

[Tiff23fr]

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I think his ego has been shattered. If he was doing well at TrueCar with promotions, then why was he in the first round of layoffs.??? That ego has gotten him tremendous reward in the past.

I also think that any defense lawyer would take this case for the notoriety. And would get paid plenty given the family resources.
My guess is that his parents are interviewing for the "best lawyers" possible, and will pay heartily.

I think the ego is the big issue:
Is he shattered enough to let the previous protective family and their resources be accepted by LM going forward??
Or.
Is he going to maintain a fired-up ego to go out on Blazing Saddles, and not accepting the resources the family could lprovide???

His former employer confirmed to USA TODAY that he left his job at the website in 2023.

There is still a look left/look right on the True Car departure. Did he leave on his own or did he really get laid off?

In the end I don’t think it much matters, his end game and the root cause was the same.

'Nothing more, nothing less': Writings show wandering path across the globe for Luigi Mangione

From Maryland to Asia, murder suspect Luigi Mangione traversed the globe before CEO Brian Thompson was killed. His travels shed light on him.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

It’s interesting how at first we mostly heard how super friendly, communicative, and open he was. How carefree he was.

Now it feels like very suddenly we’re reading now how he was depressed.
How he struggled with pain medication and
estranged from his family for a year.

It’s curious.

Something definitely happened that impacted him in a significant way and caused a major change in his personality. Suddenly totally isolating from all of his friends & family, getting lost in distorted ways of thinking, thinking it was the right thing to plan and commit a horrific murder, etc. All just my opinion.

 

[CLGM]

His new NY attorney Karen Friedman Agnifilo was on CNN a few days ago prior to her being retained by LM. She was talking about a possible psychiatric defense. I couldn’t find the video, but found the transcript.

CNN.com - Transcripts

Thanks for posting this!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

• His 40-year career includes prosecuting the Etan Patz murder and Brooke Astor swindle cases.
• Colleagues say he's tenacious and detail-obsessed, with an expertise in fighting psych defenses.

Luigi Mangione's NY prosecutor is Joel Seidemann, a Manhattan DA veteran described as a 'firecracker' in court

The 26-year-old accused in the Manhattan ambush murder of UnitedHealthcare's CEO will face a 40-year prosecutor one colleague calls a "firecracker."

www.businessinsider.com

Another look.

‘Only one viable defense’: how might the CEO murder case play out in court?

Lawyers weigh suspect’s options to fight charge he murdered UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson

www.theguardian.com

 

[bestill]

His NY Attorney Karen Friedman Agnifilo
BBM and snipped from article in the link below
"Friedman Agnifilo served as the second-in-command in the Manhattan District Attorney's Office from 2014 to 2021 under former DA Cyrus Vance. A biography on her law firm website says she played a lead role in prosecuting "high-profile violent crime cases," including those involving mental health and cold case homicides."
"...as well as working on the creation of Manhattan's first Mental Health Court," the biography continued"

Page Not Found | 6abc.com

Link to NYC Mental Health Court - https://ww2.nycourts.gov/mental-health-courts-overview-27066

Interesting takeaways from the article. The mental health angle stood out to me. All JMO

 

[bestill]

His new NY attorney Karen Friedman Agnifilo was on CNN a few days ago prior to her being retained by LM. She was talking about a possible psychiatric defense. I couldn’t find the video, but found the transcript.

CNN.com - Transcripts

I remember this and was looking to see if it was her. Thanks for sharing it!

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I think his ego has been shattered. If he was doing well at TrueCar with promotions, then why was he in the first round of layoffs.??? That ego has gotten him tremendous reward in the past.

I also think that any defense lawyer would take this case for the notoriety. And would get paid plenty given the family resources.
My guess is that his parents are interviewing for the "best lawyers" possible, and will pay heartily.

I think the ego is the big issue:
Is he shattered enough to let the previous protective family and their resources be accepted by LM going forward??
Or.
Is he going to maintain a fired-up ego to go out on Blazing Saddles, and not accepting the resources the family could lprovide???

Your post is spot-on. Ego is a huge issue here, I also think. He was used to be a top star, looked up to by everybody, highly regarded, etc. It's not clear if he quit the around the same time as the lay-offs or if he was laid off. If he was laid off, that likely would have been very difficult for him to handle.

In addition to ego, I believe that some other major event(s) happened that caused LM to suffer a major personality change. His fairly intense back pain, his Lyme disease symptoms and his possible abuse of pain meds could also be factors.

IMO, due to the possibility that he doesn't want to be imprisoned for the rest of his life, he will accept his parents paying for his defense attorneys and legal team.

All just my opinion.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

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ahhhh..... here we go!

 

[NottaYutz]

Here is a poster that's appearing on the streets of NYC. Reminds me of those saint candles. Posted earlier but was behind a paywall--apologies. This link is open. Supporters of suspected CEO killer Luigi Mangione establish defence fund

 

[justtrish]

The FBI spoke to Luigi Mangione’s mother the night before her son’s high-profile arrest and told the feds he bore a resemblance to the suspect wanted for killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, according to law enforcement sources.

Members of the Joint Violent Crimes Task Force questioned Kathleen Mangione late Sunday night after receiving a tip from San Francisco police – four days prior – about a missing person’s report the family had filed with the department in November, the sources said.

Luigi Mangione’s mother spoke with the FBI the night before accused UnitedHealthcare CEO killer was arrested: sources

Police tipped off the feds after they recognized the 26-year-old’s face in surveillance images put out by the NYPD after Thompson, 50, was gunned down last week – but his mother wasn’t quite sure t…

nypost.com

Well it seems that maybe the official from NY (was it the mayor?) who said they had a suspect and then he walked it back right away was likely telling the truth.

 

[Luna20]

“Mangione was “the only name whose FaceTime calls I would pick up. He was one of my absolute best, closest, most trusted friends,” she wrote in the caption of a TikTok video, which showed Mangione — who now stands accused of killing Brian Thompson, 50, on the streets of Midtown — holding mochi ice cream at a grocery store with giggling alongside Le.

He was well liked by people. He wasn’t a big partier or anything like that. He loved hiking and doing things with people. He [helped start] a book club,” Ryan said.

But, the Maryland native’s medical issues took a turn for the worse after he strained his back during a group surfing lesson that worsened his already injured lower back, according to R.J. Martin, who became friends with Mangione in 2022.”

Inside Luigi Mangione’s time as a beach bum in Hawaiian paradise — with accused UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin tickling girls, Tinder matching a yoga guru

“Of course I’m shocked but there was a darkness to him that was always there,” one pal told The Post.

nypost.com

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Well it seems that maybe the official from NY (was it the mayor?) who said they had a suspect and then he walked it back right away was likely telling the truth.

Likely telling the truth but perhaps speaking out of turn without LE wanting this information public. IMO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

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In First Poll Released Since Killing, Young Americans Favor Luigi Mangione over UnitedHealthcare & Slain CEO Brian Thompson – Center for Strategic Politics

stratpolitics.org

some poll results on what people think about this case. the sample size is only 455, but i still thought it was interesting.

there’s more results in the link (men’s opinions vs women’s, what people with different political leanings think, etc)

I so agree with you on this: the sample size is only 455, but i still thought it was interesting.

This case is definitely going to be the gift that keeps on giving.... new details and perspectives every day.