NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[LinasK]

Mangione’s new attorney said the following on CNN prior to being retained as his attorney:

“It looks to me like there might be a not guilty by reason of insanity defense that they might be thinking about, because the evidence is going to be so overwhelming that he did what he did.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/13/us/video/luigi-mangione-retains-new-york-attorney-karen-friedman-agnifilo-src-digvid

I think that's their ONLY viable defense because the evidence is pretty overwhelming.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I wondered about AI/Identity theft. I think AI will come up often. (IMO)

It also details the creation of several departments under her leadership at the Manhattan DA’s office, one of which includes the identity theft bureau.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5040785-luigi-mangione-hires-high-profile-lawyer-karen-friedman-agnifilo-what-to-know/

 

[arielilane]

Who is Karen Friedman Agnifilo? Luigi Mangione hires new lawyer

Mangione has hired the Manhattan lawyer to represent him in New York amid the deadly shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.newsweek.com

Luigi Mangione "public defense" fund nears major milestone

Luigi Mangione is fighting extradition to New York where he has been charged with the murder of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.newsweek.com

12/14/2024

 

[Sundog]

Mangione’s new attorney said the following on CNN prior to being retained as his attorney:

“It looks to me like there might be a not guilty by reason of insanity defense that they might be thinking about, because the evidence is going to be so overwhelming that he did what he did.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/13/us/video/luigi-mangione-retains-new-york-attorney-karen-friedman-agnifilo-src-digvid

Maybe that's why they hired her.

 

[MassGuy]

I think that's their ONLY viable defense because the evidence is pretty overwhelming.

Yup, and it's the very definition of a Hail Mary. This isn't some guy who just pulled out a gun and shot someone. He spent weeks, if not months planning this. He obtained fake identification, built not only a gun, but a silencer as well. He wore a mask, stayed a hostel to minimize his exposure, calculated his movements to avoid detection, stalked his victim, and planned and executed not only the murder, but exactly what he would do after (escape).

Did he know what he was doing? LOL, without question.

Did he know it was wrong? Again, LOL. Hence all the subterfuge and his own words, which indicate as much. All I can say to his attorney is "good fricken luck with that."

 

[JudyBolton]

This article above says they hung out at a place called magic island, which is not far from where he lived and where Ala Moana Beach is.
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You can also take surf lessons there . Take a look, in case anyone thinks where he took lessons were like the waves on the north shore. Surf HNL - Waikiki Surfing Lessons at Ala Moana Beach tours, activities, fun things to do in Oahu(Hawaii)｜VELTRA

Looks a bit like a surf wave simulator on a cruise ship!

 

[LinasK]

Yup, and it's the very definition of a Hail Mary. This isn't some guy who just pulled out a gun and shot someone. He spent weeks, if not months planning this. He obtained fake identification, built not only a gun, but a silencer as well. He wore a mask, stayed a hostel to minimize his exposure, calculated his movements to avoid detection, stalked his victim, and planned and executed not only the murder, but exactly what he would do after (escape).

Did he know what he was doing? LOL, without question.

Did he know it was wrong? Again, LOL. Hence all the subterfuge and his own words, which indicate as much. All I can say to his attorney is "good fricken luck with that."

And hope that there are no jurors who feel that it was a "justifiable homicide".

 

[CrimeDawg123]

And hope that there are no jurors who feel that it was a "justifiable homicide".

Hopefully they will be weeded out during voir dire. I can see having empathy for a person in crisis but thinking this is justifiable is beyond the pale.

 

[fred&edna]

Her husband and law partner is representing Diddy so I imagine they have ALL the publicity they can handle. UnitedHealthcare CEO killing suspect Luigi Mangione and Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs’ lawyers are married

What a busy, busy couple. <modsnip: off topic>

jmo

 

[mrstfs]

Yup, and it's the very definition of a Hail Mary. This isn't some guy who just pulled out a gun and shot someone. He spent weeks, if not months planning this. He obtained fake identification, built not only a gun, but a silencer as well. He wore a mask, stayed a hostel to minimize his exposure, calculated his movements to avoid detection, stalked his victim, and planned and executed not only the murder, but exactly what he would do after (escape).

Did he know what he was doing? LOL, without question.

Did he know it was wrong? Again, LOL. Hence all the subterfuge and his own words, which indicate as much. All I can say to his attorney is "good fricken luck with that."

Exactly right. And even in his note he apologized for “any strife of traumas”. Seems he clearly knew what he was doing. IMHO he wanted to make a statement and took a calculated risk of jail or death.

 

[acutename]

Mangione’s new attorney said the following on CNN prior to being retained as his attorney:

“It looks to me like there might be a not guilty by reason of insanity defense that they might be thinking about, because the evidence is going to be so overwhelming that he did what he did.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/13/us/video/luigi-mangione-retains-new-york-attorney-karen-friedman-agnifilo-src-digvid

I think it is odd that she was making statements about the case and then was retained.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

She is already quite advanced in years so can’t see what she would gain out of that, if she was a young lawyer on the up wanting to make a name/reputation for herself I would agree but even I had heard of her and I live in UK

really? wow?

 

[otto]

Exactly right. And even in his note he apologized for “any strife of traumas”. Seems he clearly knew what he was doing. IMHO he wanted to make a statement and took a calculated risk of jail or death.

It was a calculated risk, but I suspect that he balanced getting away with it versus getting caught. His arrogance tipped him towards getting away with it, so it was worth it to him.

He started shaking when arrested, he looked as though he urinated on himself in the first prison cell photo, and he was visibly angry when he was taken into a court room. I don't think he expected to get caught. Big smile when he's thinking about murdering a stranger, rather sad when he's arrested.

 

[acutename]

Yup, and it's the very definition of a Hail Mary. This isn't some guy who just pulled out a gun and shot someone. He spent weeks, if not months planning this. He obtained fake identification, built not only a gun, but a silencer as well. He wore a mask, stayed a hostel to minimize his exposure, calculated his movements to avoid detection, stalked his victim, and planned and executed not only the murder, but exactly what he would do after (escape).

Did he know what he was doing? LOL, without question.

Did he know it was wrong? Again, LOL. Hence all the subterfuge and his own words, which indicate as much. All I can say to his attorney is "good fricken luck with that."

Denver cinema shooter, James Holmes - neuroscience PhD- smart? check. crazy? check.

 

[kaen]

Yup, and it's the very definition of a Hail Mary. This isn't some guy who just pulled out a gun and shot someone. He spent weeks, if not months planning this. He obtained fake identification, built not only a gun, but a silencer as well. He wore a mask, stayed a hostel to minimize his exposure, calculated his movements to avoid detection, stalked his victim, and planned and executed not only the murder, but exactly what he would do after (escape).

Did he know what he was doing? LOL, without question.

Did he know it was wrong? Again, LOL. Hence all the subterfuge and his own words, which indicate as much. All I can say to his attorney is "good fricken luck with that."

I am not a health insurance company fan. That said, if one is a juror, one listens to the case. The hand wringing over nonsensical jurors condoning murder is highly unlikely to happen.

As for a not guilty by reason of insanity seems to be so far a reach. He made decisions for surgery, international travel, printed a gun, planned the murder, scouted out where and what he was doing in the city, planned his escape, and was on the run for many days. His behavior was more narcissistic and sociopathic--- both of which are not enough for a successful insanity verdict. The bluster about him getting off or being seen as insane by jurors is entertaining but most of the time we worry about people not being found guilty, they are......even if they have high paid lawyers. JMHO.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Yup, and it's the very definition of a Hail Mary. This isn't some guy who just pulled out a gun and shot someone. He spent weeks, if not months planning this. He obtained fake identification, built not only a gun, but a silencer as well. He wore a mask, stayed a hostel to minimize his exposure, calculated his movements to avoid detection, stalked his victim, and planned and executed not only the murder, but exactly what he would do after (escape).

Did he know what he was doing? LOL, without question.

Did he know it was wrong? Again, LOL. Hence all the subterfuge and his own words, which indicate as much. All I can say to his attorney is "good fricken luck with that."

Do we know if he had any experience at all before..... with guns.
Clearly he is an experienced engineer that could be able to work with schematics to build once.
But he did look experienced.
I am just curious about actual gun experience.

 

[alsleuther]

Do you think Luigi thought he was going to get away with the murder? It's very interesting that he had foreign currency on him when he was arrested. But why be loafing around Pennsylvania after leaving NYC? Why not head for the Southern border and try to go to Mexico? And why not have a disguise? He could have put on a woman's wig, had a fake mustache or even died his hair blond. I'm just so curious how he ended up in a Pennsylvania McDonalds.

As I'm typing this I'm thinking of the Scott Peterson mugshot, where he had died his naturally dark hair blonde and headed South.

 

[otto]

I think it is odd that she was making statements about the case and then was retained.

That's how Mark Geragos gets clients too. He becomes a talking head when suspects with family money are arrested, he presents a plausible defence, then he's retained (e.g.: Scott Peterson).

 

[acutename]

Based on his post that he think the surgery "worked", the odds are that he needed the surgery. It's kinda like after a root canal, "Yeah it worked". Now most people who get spinal surgery don't know that quickly because most are older and their conditions are much more complicated. In his case, it must have relieved or had a reduction in some specific pain. (Like when your mouth is super sore from all the trauma, but that darn nerve stopped firing)

He had an actual structural condition. He was also young and probably did not have other contributing factors that would hinder short term success. (Arthritis, degenerative spinal changes, osteoporosis etc) Degenerative spinal changes are probably the most common cause of back pain and are complicated to fix.

However, "worked" does not mean painfree. It does not mean alot of things. But I tend to think he needed the surgery.

However, all spinal fusions require adherence to a rigorous post op physical therapy program. I don't see documentation that he participated, but I also don't see documentation that he didn't participate.

Based on his writing post-op, he seemed like he would be motivated. (That's MOO)

Being pain free after a spinal fusion is rare. In the cases of structural issues, such as reduced pain and even significantly reduced and improved nerve function is a realistic goal.

I do not see how one week after any surgery a person knows how well it worked.... there could be scar tissue, different complications during he healing process and 7-10 days is not enough time to know IMO

 

[Kapua]

Yup, and it's the very definition of a Hail Mary. This isn't some guy who just pulled out a gun and shot someone. He spent weeks, if not months planning this. He obtained fake identification, built not only a gun, but a silencer as well. He wore a mask, stayed a hostel to minimize his exposure, calculated his movements to avoid detection, stalked his victim, and planned and executed not only the murder, but exactly what he would do after (escape).

Did he know what he was doing? LOL, without question.

Did he know it was wrong? Again, LOL. Hence all the subterfuge and his own words, which indicate as much. All I can say to his attorney is "good fricken luck with that."

He's not walking, regardless. If he gets a not guilty by reason of insanity verdict, he ends up in a locked facility for the criminally insane, which is still locked up. Locked up with some seriously mentally ill and homicidal people. I can't imagine that's a better outcome. It will be 20-30 years before LM breathes a breath of free air, if he ever does. MOO