NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[LetsSolvIt]

I think most people, especially young people, would want to be close to their family when having such a serious surgery. And I'd think his parents would want him home.

As the mother of two young adult sons, I thought about this in the same way, too (and Johns Hopkins has some of the best for orthopedic surgery). The only thing is that if the surfing accident was effectively the final straw in his need for surgery, I was thinking he probably would have found a flight from Hawaii back to Baltimore intolerable. If his mother also has neuralgia pain, she might not have been able to travel/fly that far distance either. Just a thought.

Hopefully we will learn a lot during the trial. OMO.

 

[minneolo]

It’s generally extremely unwise and most competent attorneys will do everything in their power to discourage it - but I do wonder if LM is the kind of defendant who will take the stand.

 

[Charlot123]

More arrogance, he talks as if he's an expert on Japan and knows what it needs to address various issues. I doubt he spent any significant time living there and learning first hand about Japan's culture and history. JMO.

@Sundog, the kid graduated from all-boys prep school and finished BS/MS in a STEM area in 4 years. Would he have the time to practically explore the matter of procreation? It is like a Catholic bishop writing to a mother of five with advices on motherhood, sorry. To me, Luigi comes across as "immature and
confused, but obviously, very curious about the subject."

 

[Sundog]

@Sundog, the kid graduated from all-boys prep school and finished BS/MS in a STEM area in 4 years.

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LM may have taken the accelerated Master's program at Penn which would be a 4+1 BS/MS option. And if he took the usual amount of AP (Advanced Placement courses) while in a private high school academy, he would have likely already covered the equivalent of one semester of courses when he entered his baccalaureate program. So I would think that 4 1/2 years would be possible for students in the accelarated program who were admitted with a number of AP courses.

Still pretty good, but we are possibly talking about students in this accelerated program graduating in 4 1/2 years instead of 5. Not impossible for many high achieving students and students who are willing to work really hard. If LM did it in 4 years, that is still an achievement, although 4 1/2 would be doable for a 4+1 program with a number of AP courses under one's belt at admission.

Edited last paragraph for clarification.

 

[SleuthJan]

Exactly THIS!! And they really do have "bean counter" accounting people who run the numbers and know how often they can get away with these strategies before the costs outweigh the benefits which is more money in investor pockets and to pay high salary +bonus employees. Defrauding people of their coverage pays some folks quite well.

Congratulations on being that one in a million who could and did go the distance to get what you were rightfully due and set things right for the many others cheated of their coverage. And thanks for telling your story.

Murder for financial incentive.... what makes this any different than any other murder for hire? Our society is obscene for allowing this.

Since this case began, and with the bean counter reference, I am starting to wonder if accountants make good CEOs.

 

[Baba O'Riley]

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LM may have taken the accelerated Master's program at Penn which would be a 4+1 BS/MS option. And if he took the usual amount of AP (Advanced Placement courses) while in a private high school academy, he would have likely already covered the equivalent of one semester of courses when he entered his baccalaureate program. So I would think that 4 1/2 years would be possible for students in the accelarated program who were admitted with a number of AP courses.

Still pretty good, but we are possibly talking about students in this accelerated program graduating in 4 1/2 years instead of 5. Not impossible for many high achieving students and students who are willing to work really hard. If LM did it in 4 years, that is still an achievement, although 4 1/2 would be doable for a 4+1 program with a number of AP courses under one's belt at admission.

Edited last paragraph for clarification.

I don’t know if Penn would give credit for AP courses. The college my kids went to wasn’t Ivy League but considered “top tier” and it didn’t give credits for AP . It did allow the student to skip a required course , let’s say English 101 if you had a 5 in English AP, but would not award actual credit.

 

[Sundog]

I don’t know if Penn would give credit for AP courses. The college my kids went to wasn’t Ivy League but considered “top tier” and it didn’t give credits for AP . It did allow the student to skip a required course , let’s say English 101 if you had a 5 in English AP, but would not award actual credit.

If I'm reading this correctly, Penn does give credit for some AP courses (see list at link below).

Pre-College Credits | Penn Admissions

admissions.upenn.edu

 

[Tricia]

Closing this thread while I clean it up.
PLEASE DO NOT TALK ABOUT INSURANCE PLANS. THIS IS ABOUT THE MURDER OF A CEO.
THANK YOU
Tricia

 

[Tricia]

Good Morning,
The thread is now open again.
I am moved by your stories of insurance nightmares. I wish we had a way to fix the health insurance problems, but we don't have the answers at this time.
Please know that if I allow one post about someone's personal horror story about health insurance, then I have to allow everyone's. That leads to the thread taking a totally different direction and the actual case discussion is lost.
Before you post, please make sure your post is directly related to this case.
Thank you very much.
Tricia

 

[BrianJohnson]

I have a question for gun owners. If he were to go to shooting range to learn to shoot would they check his weapon? I'm curious about where he was able to learn to shoot the ghost gun.

Most likely shooting practice in the woods shooting birds, deer, bears etc, unlikely to have gone to a gun club, that type of weapon even if allowed would stand out a mile and make him a lot easier to identify

 

[Marantz4250b]

I have a question for gun owners. If he were to go to shooting range to learn to shoot would they check his weapon? I'm curious about where he was able to learn to shoot the ghost gun.

I doubt he went to a range. I'm not sure that anyone at the range would check the gun, as such, although they might, but shooting a clearly 3D printed one would definitely raise suspicions.

He almost certainly wouldn't have practiced with a sound mod as they are Federal items and would definitely have raised suspicions.

I'm not sure what the various rules are on them in the states he was in but not all states allow them.

 

[OneLove]

As the mother of two young adult sons, I thought about this in the same way, too (and Johns Hopkins has some of the best for orthopedic surgery). The only thing is that if the surfing accident was effectively the final straw in his need for surgery, I was thinking he probably would have found a flight from Hawaii back to Baltimore intolerable. If his mother also has neuralgia pain, she might not have been able to travel/fly that far distance either. Just a thought.

Hopefully we will learn a lot during the trial. OMO.

You bring up an interesting thought that his flight home from Hawaii to Baltimore would have been excruciating for him, especially with sciatica added to the back pain. This makes me wonder if he had to take rather heavy doses of opiate pain relievers to get through it. For those who've not taken that flight, I thought it was quite painful myself and that was 30+ years ago and I was in peak health. That's a viciously long flight. I'm glad I saw Hawaii but have never wanted to go back due to that flight. Since Luigi DID go back, I'd guess he had a very strong motivation for that. Its just so sad that things didn't work out for him there where he'd had something of a supportive community and seemingly healthy lifestyle. I can't help but wonder if there is a "love story gone wrong" in the mix. Reading the detailed accounts of Luigi being rather shy with girls but def interested was thought provoking. I've known a few outstanding young men in tech fields that were similar.

 

[Marantz4250b]

IIRC, ghost guns are illegal under federal law. So I doubt he would take it to a shooting range. He must have used a remote location to practice his shooting. JMO.

I'm not well up on these things, never really having looked into the specifics, but I'm not sure they are. They might be illegal if you're making them for sale or distribution but I'm not sure if it's for your own private use.

There are lots of companies making what are called 80% frames which are receivers which are which are about 80% complete but require finishing when you get them. They are in a state whereby you can't just buy a load more parts and throw them on. You need to do actual engineering work on them. Because they aren't a working gun part they don't require a production/serial number to be applied.

The sound moderator (silencer) is definitely a part which is highly controlled - which, imo, is completely pointless. You can still probably make your own but you'd have to register it with ATF, pay the $200 tax and put a number on it. Actually, you might have to be a licensed manufacturer but I'm not really sure.

 

[justpeachy22]

I’m curious to hear more about your perspective. I should elaborate on my thoughts. What struck me was the fact that it was Nov 2024 and his mother still thought he worked for TrueCar when we know he hadn’t worked there since 2023. I was focused more on the fact of his employment status as opposed to location of where he worked. Also I guess I don’t consider 2023-2024 “during the pandemic” so I wasn’t considering pandemic moving around but that’s just me. Btw, do we know when his mom hired a PI?

His mom apparently hired the PI 6 months prior to reporting him missing, no link at this time. He clearly had access to money even without his parents and a job. Somehow.
An aside..Another character profile point that I haven’t seen mentioned here yet is his rebellion possibly being ignited by his strict upbringing and family expectations.
Ps does anyone recall reading, like I do, that he actually quit his 2023 job because he found it “boring and mindless”. Vs being laid off. I don’t think we know for a fact that he was part of their layoff. ?

 

[ex-stat]

If LM did leave a manifesto hopefully at some point we will be able to see what it contains and maybe hope to understand more. As in his logic - what on earth he hoped to achieve by this? Whether there was an element of mental illness? Where he had been living in the run up to this? I sincerely hope it wasn't triggered by him reading the TK writings because that was just pure chance that his two friends suggested that for the book club and that would be extremely sad.

The whole thing is extremely sad anyway, as it stands. For me, prevention is the single most important thing to focus on as preventing future events is by far the most crucial thing IMO. But in order to do that we have to know what was going on in his head.

It seems like the vast majority - if not all - of his friends had good things to say about him (Luigi Mangione's Hawaiʻi Friends Shocked By Arrest In UnitedHealthcare CEO Shooting for example). What on earth happened? What drove him to do such a heinous thing? Why the change?

Regarding the other issues mentioned, I would call it out if I read something that was racist or homophobic on here. Likewise, I would if I see something that's ableist or contains misconceptions about disabled people. If we are not able to do that and it's cut out, that's severely alarming as prejudice of any kind shouldn't be swept under the rug like that.

I wrote about things that had been written that were factually incorrect - according to the mainstream media (our only source of information about the case at this point). Understanding why this happened is crucial in my opinion. So any misinformation clouds the issue. For example, his manifesto that turned out to be false. Or a lot of statements regarding pain when it turns out he may not be in pain at all - we simply don't know. Let's hope we understand more in the future and that knowledge can be put to good use.

 

[Charlot123]

His mom apparently hired the PI 6 months prior to reporting him missing, no link at this time. He clearly had access to money even without his parents and a job. Somehow.
An aside..Another character profile point that I haven’t seen mentioned here yet is his rebellion possibly being ignited by his strict upbringing and family expectations.
Ps does anyone recall reading, like I do, that he actually quit his 2023 job because he found it “boring and mindless”. Vs being laid off. I don’t think we know for a fact that he was part of their layoff. ?

Does it make more sense to both report a person missing and hire a PI? In other words, if her concern was “no evidence of life”, she’d want to maximize the chance of him being found. If all her calls went to vm and he blocked the family on social media, then, yes, chances are she wanted to know more about his life but was yet unconcerned.

<modsnip - not victim friendly>

 

[Betty P]

His mom apparently hired the PI 6 months prior to reporting him missing, no link at this time. He clearly had access to money even without his parents and a job. Somehow.
An aside..Another character profile point that I haven’t seen mentioned here yet is his rebellion possibly being ignited by his strict upbringing and family expectations.
Ps does anyone recall reading, like I do, that he actually quit his 2023 job because he found it “boring and mindless”. Vs being laid off. I don’t think we know for a fact that he was part of their layoff. ?

Yes, he was one of 100 people who were laid off. These days, its not unusual in the IT job market. Companies often hire groups of IT people as full time employees, push them to finish a project, then lay them off when its completed. There's a lot of job insecurity in the field over the last few years, even for highly skilled workers with advanced degrees.

Luigi Mangione Went Dark in 2023. He Returned Transformed

Lingering back issues and a layoff left the onetime prep-school valedictorian changed forever.

www.thedailybeast.com

Tech Layoffs: US Companies With Job Cuts In 2024 And 2025

Tech layoffs: At least 95,000 workers at U.S.-based tech companies were laid off in mass job cuts in 2024 and the cuts have continued into 2025.

news.crunchbase.com

 

[Tiff23fr]

I’m curious to hear more about your perspective. I should elaborate on my thoughts. What struck me was the fact that it was Nov 2024 and his mother still thought he worked for TrueCar when we know he hadn’t worked there since 2023. I was focused more on the fact of his employment status as opposed to location of where he worked. Also I guess I don’t consider 2023-2024 “during the pandemic” so I wasn’t considering pandemic moving around but that’s just me. Btw, do we know when his mom hired a PI?

Isn’t it interesting, that our filters can get hung up based on the angle we look at this. I was looking at it from location, as it seems the pandemic and WFH is when all this begins to come together.

To expand on my opinion/perspective:
LM wanted to create games. Now we have a murder case where it would appear corporate america OR UHC is under attack.

Perhaps his inheritance may have been threatened by any possible mergers or acquisitions related to family holdings or facilities, but that is yet to be known.

Skipping ahead to Altoona
By Altoona, LM knew he was busted due to his mask lift at the hostel.

There may have been other names on the hand written document (per the link I posted yesterday), but I think this was a quick put to paper after LM the game playing assassin had his cover blown.

This is why he went to Altoona IMO. It was so we compare Healthcare to the Railroad Monopolies. I am just not so sure LM has been the only game master.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

His mom apparently hired the PI 6 months prior to reporting him missing, no link at this time. He clearly had access to money even without his parents and a job. Somehow.
An aside..Another character profile point that I haven’t seen mentioned here yet is his rebellion possibly being ignited by his strict upbringing and family expectations.
Ps does anyone recall reading, like I do, that he actually quit his 2023 job because he found it “boring and mindless”. Vs being laid off. I don’t think we know for a fact that he was part of their layoff. ?

I definitely remember your last statement in msm- ->>>>-that the job was boring.

So I still am not 100% certain either. He might have been telling friends he was in contact with before his going underground, that he had quit. But super smart people never THINK they will be laid off. So I clearly see him lying about this.

I also think that his mom might have had contact with True Car before hiring the PI and reporting him Missing.

My guess is that she knew he was not there anymore and that is what even pushed her to get a PI.
But on the Missing Person notification she would have had to note the last known PLACE he was seen. THAT would have to be SF to Mom.

 

[DizzyB]

I would like to know where the non-3D printed gun components were shipped to.