NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[10ofRods]

I don’t know if Penn would give credit for AP courses. The college my kids went to wasn’t Ivy League but considered “top tier” and it didn’t give credits for AP . It did allow the student to skip a required course , let’s say English 101 if you had a 5 in English AP, but would not award actual credit.

I believe Penn and all the Ivies do give units (on the transcript) for AP classes.

IME and IMO.

 

[sds71]

A grand jury in New York could hand up an indictment against Luigi Mangione, the 26-year-old Ivy League grad arrested last week in the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

A source familiar with the investigation said the indictment could come as soon as this week. The move would strengthen the Manhattan district attorney's case for extradition by making the charges official.

Gov. Kathy Hochul said she plans to issue a warrant for extradition to New York as soon as Mangione is indicted.

Three lawyers visited Mangione in prison on Friday, including a new attorney on his case, Karen Friedman Agnifilo. She is a longtime veteran of the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. She will be representing Mangione on any charges that come from New York.

Luigi Mangione could be indicted in New York as early as this week in CEO killing

A grand jury in New York could hand up an indictment against Luigi Mangione, the 26-year-old Ivy League grad arrested last week in the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. A source familiar with the investigation said the indictment could come as soon as this week. The move would...

www.nbcnewyork.com

 

[Betty P]

Kaczynski's book was difficult to read because it was written by a man with paranoid schizophrenia, and that would make his very nature disjointed, and oft-grandiose and delusional. It would likely only be fascinating to and "understood" by someone seeing the world via a similar lens, if you get my drift. To which, of course, that someone would then probably become agitated and dissolve his book club because "no one else gets it".

JMO.

I definitely understood LM's passion for comprehensive reform of US health insurance with coverage for all people, as have thousands of other Americans who have read about him. His altruism is admirable and very rare these days among Americans. His are realistic and brave goals.

The major difference is in how he borrowed that bit from Ted K on believing violence is the only disruptive tool for systems change.

 

[Sundog]

I'm not well up on these things, never really having looked into the specifics, but I'm not sure they are. They might be illegal if you're making them for sale or distribution but I'm not sure if it's for your own private use.

There are lots of companies making what are called 80% frames which are receivers which are which are about 80% complete but require finishing when you get them. They are in a state whereby you can't just buy a load more parts and throw them on. You need to do actual engineering work on them. Because they aren't a working gun part they don't require a production/serial number to be applied.

The sound moderator (silencer) is definitely a part which is highly controlled - which, imo, is completely pointless. You can still probably make your own but you'd have to register it with ATF, pay the $200 tax and put a number on it. Actually, you might have to be a licensed manufacturer but I'm not really sure.

My understanding is that the U.S. Supreme Court is currently hearing the case on whether or not ghost guns as they now are manufactured and sold, etc. are actually firearms and can be regulated by the ATF. The current administration has given the ATF the authority to determine what counts as a firearm and to regulate sales and use of ghost guns, due to the increased use of ghost guns in crimes.

A link below discusses the October 2024 hearing by the Supreme Court on ghost guns but no decision has yet been made by the Court. As it stands now, the ATF wants to require that ghost gun parts have a serial number on them so that they can be traced in a crime. This is a federal regulation, not sure what various states require. The ATF wants ghost guns to be traceable by a serial number.

What to know about ghost guns, the type of untraceable firearm CEO Brian Thompson's shooter may have used

Police said Luigi Mangione, the man charged in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, appears to have had a ghost gun, a weapon that can be made using a 3D printer.

www.cbsnews.com

https://www.ncsl.org/state-legislatures-news/details/supreme-court-hears-arguments-in-ghost-guns-case

 

[slowpoke]

“Some of the writings were diary-style, documenting how he felt and what he did that day. They also documented a desire to focus on his health and find his purpose, the sources said.

But as time went on -- and as Mangione allegedly fell out of contact with friends and family and grew increasingly isolated -- some writings indicated a deterioration in his state of mind, illustrating a gradual build towards the alleged plan to kill Thompson at what the writings described as UnitedHealthcare's "annual parasitic bean-counter convention," sources said.”

Luigi Mangione's mom indicated to FBI that CEO killing suspect photos could be her son: sources

Mangione's mother spoke with FBI agents and NYPD detectives, the day before his arrest, indicating surveillance photos being circulated at the time could be her son.

6abc.com

 

[mrstfs]

I don't know if its possible to check private employment information.

From all professional news media accounts, it sounds like he worked while there. Again, he was laid off at the same time as 99 other employees. This happens these days, especially with the "start up" kind of companies that are reliant on producing and selling some sort of computer app or somesuch. It's very common, I know people who work in IT who have been going through this the last few years. Some of these start ups are junk, run by people who have no computer skills of their own, but make a good sales pitch to investors.

While LM seemed to identify with parts of Ted K's manifesto, his lifestyle and personal habits didn't appear to be the same. Up until the last month or so before the murder, he seemed to be in touch with family and friends, involved, etc.

Do you have a link that says he was laid off from his job? I haven’t found it but may have missed it. Thank you

 

[tlcya]

Law enforcement sources told ABC News that Mangione's mother spoke with a task force of FBI agents and New York Police Department detectives one day before her son's arrest on Dec. 9.

That conversation followed a tip the FBI received from the police in San Francisco, where Mangione's mother filed the missing persons report.
Luigi Mangione's mom indicated to FBI that CEO killing suspect photos could be her son: sources

I am sad for LM's family as they too are victims of his senseless actions. It sounds as if his mother was trying to figure out what was going on with her son, but that can be difficult when children are adults. I imagine that conversation with authorities on the 9th was very difficult.

 

[Betty P]

Do you have a link that says he was laid off from his job? I haven’t found it but may have missed it. Thank you

Yes, I posted it a couple of pages back. I'll post again. I assume there must be someone on social media spinning a CT about him not working or something? The question keeps popping up here. Why is this a CT right now?

Luigi Mangione Went Dark in 2023. He Returned Transformed

Lingering back issues and a layoff left the onetime prep-school valedictorian changed forever.

www.thedailybeast.com

TrueCar Replaces CEO as Restructuring Eliminates 24% of Staff

TrueCar Inc. Chief Executive Officer Michael Darrow stepped down as the online vehicle marketplace announced a cost-cutting plan that will eliminate more than 100 jobs.

news.bloomberglaw.com

 

[Friday Fan]

@Friday Fan we were discussing the Tinder account yesterday. Did you/others look at the two photos closely? It would be great to hear some added observations:

My Observations:
-Two similar looking individuals suggesting (look left/look right) IMO
-While similar, one may appear to some to have a more “photogenic” appeal; especially in regards to the abs
-The last sync date was 12/9
-12/9 was the day he was arrested
The second image
-shoes with the white striping along the bottom
-Highlights a wildfire in background

Of note, A wildfire occurred in CA on 12/9.
(Below is a link to the story as it ran in NY.)

Did somebody drop a little photoshopped Luigi in there to make it look like he was somewhere else in those same shoes. LOL- nah that would be silly right?

Other thoughts or observations?

Link to Images is here:

Inside Luigi Mangione’s time as a beach bum in Hawaiian paradise — with accused UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin tickling girls, Tinder matching a yoga guru

“Of course I’m shocked but there was a darkness to him that was always there,” one pal told The Post.

nypost.com

Franklin Fire, burning near Pepperdine University, prompts evacuation orders

Firefighters continue to battle the flames of a 2,200-acre wildfire that started Monday night, prompting evacuation orders, road closures and school closures in Malibu near Pepperdine University.

www.nbcnewyork.com

I believe the "fire" is Mt kilauea, which is an active volcano in HI

Kīlauea - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Kīlauea became a tourist attraction in the 1840s, and businessmen such as Benjamin Pitman and George Lycurgus operated a series of hotels at the rim, including Volcano House, which is the only hotel or restaurant located within Hawaiʻi Volcanoes National Park.[135]

 

[Seattle1]

Is it possible to find out when he was laid off, and if he was even attending work by that time?

I paid attention to the fact that Ted Kaczynski ended his life on June 10, 2023.

^^rsbm

Can't confirm when LM separated from True Car, Inc.-- his employer since Nov 2020, but the Corporation publicly announced the restructuring and 24% reduction in workforce on June 14, 2023:

SANTA MONICA, Calif., June 14, 2023 /PRNewswire/ -- TrueCar, Inc. (NASDAQ: TRUE) today announced a strategic restructuring to streamline the organization, including a workforce reduction impacting approximately 102 positions, or 24% of the Company's headcount, and the appointment of Jantoon Reigersman as President and Chief Executive Officer. Mr. Reigersman succeeds Michael Darrow, who is departing TrueCar and vacating his position on the Board.

 

[Betty P]

My understanding is that the U.S. Supreme Court is currently hearing the case on whether or not ghost guns as they now are manufactured and sold, etc. are actually firearms and can be regulated by the ATF. The current administration has given the ATF the authority to determine what counts as a firearm and to regulate sales and use of ghost guns, due to the increased use of ghost guns in crimes.

A link below discusses the October 2024 hearing by the Supreme Court on ghost guns but no decision has yet been made by the Court. As it stands now, the ATF wants to require that ghost gun parts have a serial number on them so that they can be traced in a crime. This is a federal regulation, not sure what various states require. The ATF wants ghost guns to be traceable by a serial number.

What to know about ghost guns, the type of untraceable firearm CEO Brian Thompson's shooter may have used

Police said Luigi Mangione, the man charged in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, appears to have had a ghost gun, a weapon that can be made using a 3D printer.

www.cbsnews.com

https://www.ncsl.org/state-legislatures-news/details/supreme-court-hears-arguments-in-ghost-guns-case

It's terrifying that this SCOTUS is going to render a decision on this topic.

I recall back in the early 1990's when the Brady Bill was passed, there was concern over "plastic" guns, or the type that can evade metal detectors. IIRC, Congress back then voted to ban them as it would be impossible to tell if someone is bringing one onto an airplane, etc.

Scary.

NYPD has the bullets from the crime scene with his fingerprints on them, so that should be some solid evidence against LM. Is there discussion that they might not be able to link the actual gun to him? If not, it could still be considered circumstantial evidence, right?

 

[DizzyB]

I believe Penn and all the Ivies do give units (on the transcript) for AP classes.

IME and IMO.

Credits and credits toward a major can be two different things.

 

[SlimPickens]

I definitely understood LM's passion for comprehensive reform of US health insurance with coverage for all people, as have thousands of other Americans who have read about him. His altruism is admirable and very rare these days among Americans. His are realistic and brave goals.

The major difference is in how he borrowed that bit from Ted K on believing violence is the only disruptive tool for systems change.

Altruism is selfless concern. This killer was ego-saturated. Folks don't tend to work themselves up to a violent reckoning if they don't think that their ideas are the only solutions. Heck, he probably ended the book club because others had the gall to merely disagree with him (about Kaczynski).

 

[Friday Fan]

Does it make more sense to both report a person missing and hire a PI? In other words, if her concern was “no evidence of life”, she’d want to maximize the chance of him being found. If all her calls went to vm and he blocked the family on social media, then, yes, chances are she wanted to know more about his life but was yet unconcerned. <modsnip>
<modsnip - not victim friendly>

Yes, she figured that he wasn't in danger and without evidence of something like that LE was not going to actively look for him besides a simple search.

As they say, "It isn't a crime to be missing".

It is amazing that SFPD did match his face! I wonder if they had some AI program or they just thought "hmm..We have this missing successful young adult who for all means, shouldn't be missing and may have gone off the grid and has written something about the unabomber, that has eyebrows like suspect??" I'm sure SFPD has thousands in their missing persons files, but maybe something about his missing case stood out?

However, it makes sense to hire a PI first. LE would simply be "on the lookout" for him. (If they encountered him in SF, they would have a reason to approach him and ask him if he was Luigi, but I doubt if they would spend significant resources trying to locate him, besides basic detective work, such as his paper trail etc)

 

[Sundog]

I believe Penn and all the Ivies do give units (on the transcript) for AP classes.

IME and IMO.

Pen has a link on their Admissions webpage that states which undergrad courses they accept for credit (see link below).

There is also information on Penn's website about their 4+1 programs for a bachelor and masters degree in various fields, so all together, that might have helped him to graduate in less time than the otherwise 6 year period.

Pre-College Credits | Penn Admissions

admissions.upenn.edu

 

[Sundog]

Credits and credits toward a major can be two different things.

Definitely, but credits toward some non-major courses would allow a student to graduate in less time.

 

[Sundog]

Altruism is selfless concern. This killer was ego-saturated. Folks don't tend to work themselves up to a violent reckoning if they don't think that their ideas are the only solutions. Heck, he probably ended the book club because others had the gall to merely disagree with him (about Kaczynski).

IIRC, it has been reported that others dropped out of the book club when Kaczynski was the topic, because they were uncomfortable with the discussion with LM, it was likely getting too dark for them.

 

[Friday Fan]

One other thought on travels:
Was he traveling internationally under a fake name/passport?

Given his mom runs a travel agency, I suspect she has his passport info from booking past family travel. Frequent Flier info attached to a travelers profile would also indicate HI and Oversees travel if he was using his own identifying info.

Just thinking out loud I suppose…

Source:
"Kathy has a travel agency. She does trips to Italy," she said.

Luigi Mangione: Tracing the privileged Baltimore family roots of suspected CEO killer

In his home city, the accused shooter's family name has meant wealth, power, prominence and philanthropy for decades.

www.bbc.com

I highly, highly doubt that he had a fake passport!!!

Could he have had an Italian passport in addition to a US passport?

The fact that his mom does trips to Italy, it is entirely possible that Luigi had a dual citizenship, if the family had circumstances that allowed them to easily become dual citizens. (They would have the documented citizenship ancestry, but usually a residency period is required. Not gonna look up Italian citizenship laws)

Other than that, I highly doubt he had a fake passport.

ETA: Luigi's great grandparents were from Italy on his dad's side. I think it is the same on his mother's side. Someone in the family would have needed to retain the citizenship starting with one of his US born grandparents. If none of his grandparents claimed citizenship, then he would be pretty much be like everyone else and would have needed 10 years of residency. However, his family was a bit unique and Luigi is supposedly fluent in Italian. I find that he is fluent in Italian to be unique. I stated that I wasn't gonna look up citizenship laws but I did. Citizenship – Ministero degli Affari Esteri e della Cooperazione Internazionale to ascertain that the Italian ancestor retained Italian citizenship until the birth of the descendants. The lack of naturalization or the date of any naturalization of the ancestor shall be proven by a certificate issued by the competent foreign authorities. However, with the wealth that Luigi's family had, it's entirely possible that his grandfather pursued an Italian citizenship as a source of pride. When the grandfather was young, he wouldn't be interested, but as his grew older and more Americans took pride in their ancestry in the late 20the century, it's entirely possible. Of course, this is unique, but the grandfather had the financial means. Just MOO...

 

[DizzyB]

Definitely, but credits toward some non-major courses would allow a student to graduate in less time.

Absolutely. I have a kid who had a bunch of AP credits going into college, she technically was considered a second year after her first semester. She had all 120 credits to graduate when she was a junior. However, she was lacking some required credits in her major, and also needed 150 to sit for a licensing exam. So it took the 4 years, and she even took a couple of online courses for credit from another university as it was an easier road.

LM appeared to be a brilliant kid, he def could have graduated early, and done any number of things to get the masters earlier than expected. Professors and advisors can assist when kids want to fast track. I am still of the opinion that there was something going on with LM long before his back acted up.

 

[Tiff23fr]

I highly, highly doubt that he had a fake passport!!!

Could he have had an Italian passport in addition to a US passport. The fact that his mom does trips to Italy, it is entirely possible that Luigi had a dual citizenship, if the family had circumstances that allowed them to easily become dual citizens. (They would have the documented citizenship ancestry, but usually a residency period is required. Not gonna look up Italian citizenship laws)

Other than that, I highly doubt he had a fake passport.

Yes - this makes sense - I was doubtful myself he was traveling on a Fake Passport the last year.
To add: regular international travelers passport information is stored with their airline profiles and frequent flyer info. This is in addition to any TSA Pre-Check, Global Entry, Clear, etc.
These days it is all connected to the travelers profile.

You also make a great point on citizenship. That may be why his citizenship is omitted with his booking.