NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

[ttjo]

Not necessarily, if she noticed his changes in behavior post surgery including the eventual cutting off of contact with friends and family. If he had had discussions with her about his growing feelings about the health insurance business before he went no contact, she could easily make a connection. There doesn't have to be prior "incidents"--like small crimes, school suspensions, etc.

wasnt his sister a doctor,? it could have easily come up just because of that.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Mangione, 26, is charged with one count of first-degree murder in furtherance of terrorism and two counts of second-degree murder, one of which is charged as killing as an act of terrorism.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/17/luigi-mangione-brian-thompson-murder-new-york-extradition.html

MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE, P.L. §125.27(1)(a)(xiii) and (b)
MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE AS A CRIME OF TERRORISM, P.L. §§125.25(1) and 490.25 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE, P.L. §125.25(1)
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE SECOND DEGREE, P.L. §265.03(1)(b), an armed felony
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE SECOND DEGREE, P.L. §265.03(3), an armed felony
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE THIRD DEGREE, P.L. §265.02(7)
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE THIRD DEGREE, P.L. §265.02(1)
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE THIRD DEGREE, P.L. §265.02(8) (2 counts) CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE FOURTH DEGREE, P.L. §265.01(9)
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A FORGED INSTRUMENT IN THE SECOND DEGREE, P.L. §170.25

 

[BUF]

DA Bragg press release

D.A. Bragg Announces Murder Indictment Of Luigi Mangione

“We allege that Luigi Mangione carried out the brazen, targeted and fatal shooting of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson in Midtown Manhattan. This type of premeditated, targeted gun violence cannot and will not be tolerated, and my office has been working day in and day out to bring the defendant

manhattanda.org

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Mangione, 26, is charged with one count of first-degree murder in furtherance of terrorism and two counts of second-degree murder, one of which is charged as killing as an act of terrorism.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/17/luigi-mangione-brian-thompson-murder-new-york-extradition.html

MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE, P.L. §125.27(1)(a)(xiii) and (b)
MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE AS A CRIME OF TERRORISM, P.L. §§125.25(1) and 490.25 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE, P.L. §125.25(1)
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE SECOND DEGREE, P.L. §265.03(1)(b), an armed felony
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE SECOND DEGREE, P.L. §265.03(3), an armed felony
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE THIRD DEGREE, P.L. §265.02(7)
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE THIRD DEGREE, P.L. §265.02(1)
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE THIRD DEGREE, P.L. §265.02(8) (2 counts) CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE FOURTH DEGREE, P.L. §265.01(9)
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A FORGED INSTRUMENT IN THE SECOND DEGREE, P.L. §170.25

Are they swinging for the fence here? Would a murder charge and possession charge not be enough - I mean could this backfire?

 

[JDG]

Luigi Mangione indicted in New York for murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson

A New York grand jury has charged Mangione, 26, with first- and second-degree murder charges and other related charges for the cold-blooded slaying of the 50-year-old CEO outside a Midtown hotel on…

nypost.com

 

[Marantz4250b]

Absolutely. The only question was if the law was written in a way that would allow for it. He’s a terrorist who simply had a different motive than what we usually see (political or religious).

Agree. Ultimately, it was political if he was trying to bring about change in the way society works.

Allegedly and all my own opinions, obvs.

 

[MassGuy]

Are they swinging for the fence here? Would a murder charge and possession charge not be enough - I mean could this backfire?

The starting point for any potential plea deal would be a first degree murder charge, which is a much stronger position if the DA's office would be open to such a deal.

If the jury doesn't believe the prosecution has proven the elements of that particular charge, second degree murder is there as well.

 

[JDG]

Will he now be charged federally?

Is he looking at the death penalty over the terrorism charges?

 

[Janitor101]

<modsnip: Quoted post was removed> ...I am skeptical of these crumbs of info LM left behind while planning a murder. He wasn’t fully open to anyone in his life recently or perhaps for years. Most of his ramblings are from an Internet forum or a semi friend who he ghosted. JMO

Totally agree. I think you have a grandiose psychopath who was fed on a steady diet of applause during his youth which acted like a narcotic on a fragile psyche. His relationships, although many, struck me as friendly but superficial. He appeared to mostly be a loner living a nomadic lifestyle with nowhere he could call home.

I think without all the claps from a cheering audience and all the accolades he received during his youth, he grew very aimless and rudderless in life. But what to do? He knew his brilliance was no match for a Pythagoras or a Newton, but he clearly wasn't interested or too lazy to do the hard work towards making his own mark on the world.

He said he wanted to etch himself a place in history, and he did succeed on that count. Lets hope the court doesn't allow him the opportunity to stand up and preach to the crowd like some heroic champion of the people coming to rescue us all from the corporate demons out there.

I think he will fight his attorney's over using an insanity defense. That would be so insulting to him to be thought of as 'crazy'. I think his goal is to grab as many headlines and interviews as possible to dazzle us with his brilliant oratory and knowledge on a variety of topics.

 

[Cryptic]

Except for one fairly rare type of trust, the trust dies with the person who endowed it. The instructions within the will as to how to distribute the trust takes place. The estate is distributed. And it's over. The dead person's wishes for a third generation to be bound by their wishes really doesn't have much force - or an easy way to do it, in the US.

IMO. Would love for one of our lawyers to weigh in, if there are other scenarios.

I am not a lawyer. But, I work with legal matters on occasion.

Is the rare trust that you are referring to a "Spend Thrift" trust? If so, my general understanding is that they are becoming more common- especially with the wealthy who can afford to pay for the maintenance fees (said to be decreasing as more banks offer them).

As a side note Spend Thrift trusts can allow for the endower to put a good many restrictions that are legally binding. These restrictions range from general to very restrictive:

- Beneficiary can do anything he wants with the money- but receives the money in stages.
-Beneficiary never receives the actual principal, but can do what he / she wants with the interest, dividend, gains etc. payments

And, for those wealthy who really dont trust their offspring or their grand children:

- Money is only provided for certain needs. Bank officer determines if stated needs are legitimate as defined by the trust rules.
- Part, or all, of the inheritance can be a home. Home is property of the bank administered trust. Thus, home cant be sold to cover wild living debts etc. Likewise, home cant be seized to pay debts as its not "Party Dude's / Chick's " property.

But.... the partying grandson or granddaughter etc. has occupancy rights for life.

 

[Columbo Was The Best]

Wow. Last sentence.

NEW: Missing persons report: Nov. 18, missing persons report was filed. San Francisco Police reached out to NYPD and told them Mangione resembled the suspect. NYPD was in the process of vetting the tip, including reaching out to Mangione's mother. Mom told officers about the murder: "it might be something I could see him doing."

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Talk about a nail in the coffin... Harsh stuff coming from a mother's mouth, especially at a time she still did not have any certainty he was the one who had committed the murder and the impression (and how damaging) this comment could ''imprint'' on police officers listening to it.

This sentence has left me KO, I am not going to lie, it is hard to read a mother reaching that stage of feeling fed up perhaps? and as I was just mentioning to my buddies in the private chat we have for this case, it has made me wonder what was the actual state of the mother/son relationship (broken or in the process of?) before he went ''missing'' from family/friends.

Jmoo.

 

[bestill]

Wow. Last sentence.

NEW: Missing persons report: Nov. 18, missing persons report was filed. San Francisco Police reached out to NYPD and told them Mangione resembled the suspect. NYPD was in the process of vetting the tip, including reaching out to Mangione's mother. Mom told officers about the murder: "it might be something I could see him doing."

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This may be why he was estranged from his family, his growing angst!

DA Bragg press release

D.A. Bragg Announces Murder Indictment Of Luigi Mangione

“We allege that Luigi Mangione carried out the brazen, targeted and fatal shooting of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson in Midtown Manhattan. This type of premeditated, targeted gun violence cannot and will not be tolerated, and my office has been working day in and day out to bring the defendant

manhattanda.org

I hope DA Bragg is up for this case and can prosecute it.

 

[JDG]

Let’s hope he’s at Rikers before the weekend.

After he’s found guilty, let’s hope they stuff him into Supermax for the rest of his life and we forget all about this cowardly, cold-blooded murderer.

Yes, he will be infamous but most of the world will forget about this loser as soon as something else occurs.

 

[BUF]

Per CNN
No family or friends have visited him while incarcerated….only attorneys

 

[NuttMegg]

DUp

 

[nhmemorymaker]

It could be that his change of behavior was appearing by then.

It appears that she died in March of 2023.

Loyola celebrates the life of Loyola friend and benefactor Mary C. Mangione, MSA ’52

<p>Mary Cuba Mangione, recipient of the 2010 President’s Medal and a longtime benefactor of Loyola, passed away March 15, 2023. She was 92.</p>

www.loyola.edu

Thank you for posting Mary's obituary... It is so much more fruitful seeing her strength of character and contributions to education, as well as society. Rather just seeing her as "30Million dollars".

She provided "opportunity" to so many young people. She also lived in a city full of crime and troubles. imo.

I don't think that her declaration in her will that any relative NOT living a healthy productive life would not be eligible for her wealth being handed down---had anything to do with Luigi.

I think it was just a wise woman who expected others to be wise in their life choices and actions.

I guess my hope is that she never did see what was starting to brew within her grandson. She was 92, and apparently revered by many. I do not think any family member would want to burden her with any early misgivings.

 

[justtrish]

I can absolutely see a mother realizing the truth and saying it to LE.

She saw a successful son graduate with his BA and MA degrees. He was living in Hawaii, working and seeming to be successful and happy. I don't know how often they would communicate, but Hawaii is as far away from Maryland as you can get and be in the US still.. was that intentional on his part? Was there already issues coming up or was he just simply a soul who loved to explore and see new places?

Then he gets hurt and needs surgery.. I recall seeing he went back to MD for that. So I wonder if family helped him with the recovery. He would need a place to stay, someone to drive him, not sure on PT or other appointments, but I'm sure he couldn't drive for a while anyway so someone had to be helping him. Was he talking about all this CEO's are bad and going on about the things he finds wrong with the world and it was disturbing to his mother then?

After that surgery and recovery he's again traveling around to Hawaii, then to Japan. Was he communicating with his family at all then? Was he continuing to spout off more and more radical things?

Then he just doesn't talk to his mom from July on until November. He misses a friends wedding he agreed to be in.. not communicating wtih any of them. I think November is when the holiday season is setting in, maybe he hasn't mentioned coming home for any holidays and maybe he has always been home for those holidays so it's even more concerning for mom now. She reports him missing.

We don't know what he's been talking about with his family all this time, but if it was a bunch of stuff about health insurance, CEO's and all that he rambled about then maybe she really could see with the changes in him and him going MIA and this man looking like him.. it could be him.

 

[LinasK]

Or 2nd Degree Murder may be offered by the prosecution in a plea bargain. Either way, Luigi won't be surfing in Hawaii anytime soon.

Why would they ever offer him a plea bargain??? They have a very strong case against him.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Jessica Tisch - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

NYC Police Commissioner Tisch has only been on the job for a few weeks and was handed this enormous case. She was previously the NYC Sanitation Commissioner and I was concerned that she wouldn’t get up to speed fast enough, but I think she has.

I’m not personally a fan of Alvin Bragg, but I definitely believe terrorism, hence Murder 1 included, is the appropriate charge.

LM did strike terror in the hearts of many and has caused fear not only among CEOs but ordinary New Yorkers as well. A murder in midtown at break of day is not typical here.

Side note——Tisch’s father is the CEO of Lowe’s, so if LM’s act of murder stirs unbalanced people to blame CEOs then maybe this was back of her mind.

Although I don’t think that someone’s La-Z-Boy not working properly can compare to the angst of those who are defeated by their health insurance company.

I’ve previously stated, however, that I no longer think LM was really all that concerned with UHC in particular. He wasn’t insured by them and I believe he was lost in grandiosity since the Pythagorean Theorem was already done. He wanted to make a huge move and he did.

Now I hope he gets what he deserves.

I wish I would get called for his jury duty, but I’d be thrown out during voir dire.

JMO

@Arkay . Thanks for your post. I really really liked and appreciated your sentiment.

Though this statement made me giggle.... I really can see how this detail MUST be in the back of her mind....

Although I don’t think that someone’s La-Z-Boy not working properly can compare to the angst of those who are defeated by their health insurance company.

 

[10ofRods]

The starting point for any potential plea deal would be a first degree murder charge, which is a much stronger position if the DA's office would be open to such a deal.

If the jury doesn't believe the prosecution has proven the elements of that particular charge, second degree murder is there as well.

I think this is exactly the plan. Try 1st degree and see if a jury agrees - as I understand it, the jury would be the trier of fact in such a matter and it would be up to them to decide whether it was terrorism.

If that causes spirited discussion within the jury, they can always go to second degree. With enhancements.

I think this is called "throwing the book at 'im."