NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #10 *Arrest*

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Mangione, 26, is charged with one count of first-degree murder in furtherance of terrorism and two counts of second-degree murder, one of which is charged as killing as an act of terrorism.

MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE, P.L. §125.27(1)(a)(xiii) and (b)
MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE AS A CRIME OF TERRORISM, P.L. §§125.25(1) and 490.25 MURDER IN THE SECOND DEGREE, P.L. §125.25(1)
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE SECOND DEGREE, P.L. §265.03(1)(b), an armed felony
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE SECOND DEGREE, P.L. §265.03(3), an armed felony
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE THIRD DEGREE, P.L. §265.02(7)
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE THIRD DEGREE, P.L. §265.02(1)
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE THIRD DEGREE, P.L. §265.02(8) (2 counts) CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A WEAPON IN THE FOURTH DEGREE, P.L. §265.01(9)
CRIMINAL POSSESSION OF A FORGED INSTRUMENT IN THE SECOND DEGREE, P.L. §170.25
What should be interesting is the release of info re terrorism. So little has been brought up re the lead up to this. Is there any past/present direct interactions. What are unknown to the public terroristic interactions. So much to uncover. Did uhc communicate with him. Will he be treated medically. if truly malpractice and pain having caused hysteria, etc. Was there anything to disrupt his thinking, testing, psychological in nature?, mostly as a younger srudent. Was he on radars? This case is very very timely and has peaked a lot of interest. It appears ro have really caused awareness
 
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Just heard that on the tv. I guess that answers a lot of questions we have been asking. His own mom knew.
Yes, too lil, too late. Lets hear what uhc has to say re their opinions. Their calls, written word, legal standpoint, stalker? Statue, prior involvement by ceo. Awaiting details
 
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Two Luigi Mangione documentaries are already in the works as America's fascination with CEO 'assassin' grows
 
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Will he now be charged federally?

Is he looking at the death penalty over the terrorism charges?
Not in New York. And I don't think there are terrorism charges in PA.

NY doesn't have the death penalty.

So far, no federal charges filed - but that might come. I think the NY state charges are going to be the primary charges. Usually, the lesser offenses on the federal side get tried after the charges with the more severe penalties.

IMO.
 
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Two Luigi Mangione documentaries are already in the works as America's fascination with CEO 'assassin' grows
Surely hope they present it in a way that shows the publics sentiment. Everyone is interested and they care.
 
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Will he now be charged federally?

Is he looking at the death penalty over the terrorism charges?
IANAL …. I hope that the DA and authorities don’t get too ‘creative’ with any charging decisions. And it might be advised to hold on any federal and other charges to see how the unfolding and prosecution of the grand jury indicted charges go with the accused. MOO
 
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Totally agree. I think you have a grandiose psychopath who was fed on a steady diet of applause during his youth which acted like a narcotic on a fragile psyche. His relationships, although many, struck me as friendly but superficial. He appeared to mostly be a loner living a nomadic lifestyle with nowhere he could call home.

I think without all the claps from a cheering audience and all the accolades he received during his youth, he grew very aimless and rudderless in life. But what to do? He knew his brilliance was no match for a Pythagoras or a Newton, but he clearly wasn't interested or too lazy to do the hard work towards making his own mark on the world.

He said he wanted to etch himself a place in history, and he did succeed on that count. Lets hope the court doesn't allow him the opportunity to stand up and preach to the crowd like some heroic champion of the people coming to rescue us all from the corporate demons out there.

I think he will fight his attorney's over using an insanity defense. That would be so insulting to him to be thought of as 'crazy'. I think his goal is to grab as many headlines and interviews as possible to dazzle us with his brilliant oratory and knowledge on a variety of topics.
“Fed a steady diet of applause”. Perfect words Janitor. And in terms of his mother’s words, Im not putting much stock in to that. I think he may have had an opioid addiction with his back when he was younger and she was at the very end of her rope by the time the nypd called her, anything is possible is likely what she meant.
 
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Will he now be charged federally?

Is he looking at the death penalty over the terrorism charges?
Federal charges would be for the gun.


New York does not have the death penalty, so no.
 
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Per CNN
No family or friends have visited him while incarcerated….only attorneys
I find that to be crazy. Wow.
 
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I find that to be crazy. Wow.
Indeed. I think his family is pissed off and rightly embarrassed and letting him sit in it. He’s clearly getting their message. he was looking for them in his first day of court supposedly. It will be interesting to see how long before his mother visits him - that will be telling.
 
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Why would they ever offer him a plea bargain??? They have a very strong case against him.
To make it go away, probably at pressure from the same powerfolk he is drawing attention to. It's not in their interest to drag it out. I hope he doesn't plea, but if he does they can spin it as a weak misguided action from a troubled misfit who himself just wants to crawl off. If he sticks it out despite the possibility of more years it hurts the "health care" middle men. Imo
 
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To make it go away, probably at pressure from the same powerfolk he is drawing attention to. It's not in their interest to drag it out. I hope he doesn't plea, but if he does they can spin it as a weak misguided action from a troubled misfit who himself just wants to crawl off. If he sticks it out despite the possibility of more years it hurts the "health care" middle men. Imo
It's not UHC who would offer a plea deal- it's the state of New York. I don't see a reason to "make it go away". The state of New York has already gotten the bad publicity because it happened there and he escaped NY for 5 days. They have no obligation to offer him a plea deal, nor to accept on he might offer. Plea deals are usually offered when it's a weak case. I don't think the healthcare industry will be impacted long-term by this one-off whacko, even if there is some public support for him.
If he wanted to be a "sympathetic defendant", he'd have had a much better case if he had actually had United Healthcare and he or a loved one had actually been denied coverage by them. He was able to obtain back surgery from whoever was his healthcare provider.
 
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Per CNN
No family or friends have visited him while incarcerated….only attorneys
I'm curious who hired and who is paying for his attorney(s)?


UnitedHealthcare Suspect Luigi Mangione Hires Lawyer ...​


People.com
https://people.com › Crime › Crime News




2 days ago — Karen Friedman Agnifilo, a prominent New York attorney and former Manhattan chief assistant district attorney, will represent Mangione.
 
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It's not UHC who would offer a plea deal- it's the state of New York. There' s no reason to "make it go away". They've already gotten the bad publicity because it happened there and he escaped NY for 5 days. They have no obligation to offer him a plea deal, nor to accept on he might offer. Plea deals are usually offered when it's a weak case. I don't think the healthcare industry will be impacted long-term by this one-off whacko, even if there is some public support for him.
I didn't say it was UHC who would offer a plea deal.
 
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To make it go away, probably at pressure from the same powerfolk he is drawing attention to. It's not in their interest to drag it out. I hope he doesn't plea, but if he does they can spin it as a weak misguided action from a troubled misfit who himself just wants to crawl off. If he sticks it out despite the possibility of more years it hurts the "health care" middle men. Imo
It also saves the DA’s Office a lot of time, effort, and money, and it avoids the risk of not guilty verdicts or jury nullification.
 
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I didn't say it was UHC who would offer a plea deal.
They are the ones with incentive to make it go away, not the justice system in New York.
 
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