NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #11 *Arrest*

[citygirl]

wow... practically the red carpet.

Thanx. I thought he died at MDC.

 

[acutename]

DutyRon & Waĺlace, the best of the retired nyc detective shows, imo. Every time I look at that pic it seems more ridiculous.

Is it possible that prison is so bad for LM that he will never plead to anything?

 

[eishish]

Murder isn't how you change the system. And Mangione didn't even have UHC or know his victim!

We do not actually know that. Some where along the way he was in the medical system. He had surgery or is that not true. Was he a indigent? Is this all because of his mothers problems? Her incredible pain. His family must be deeply entrenched in the medical world. That we know. We do not know all the goings ons. The back and forth to get to this point. Personally have been exposed to many of the ugly practices. I guess he could have just pent it all up and went beserk with no real injury? I doubt it though esp with the xrays " shown.". Can tell you 9,10 level pain its like nothing you can imagine. He said he went back and forth on deciding to get surgery...all for it to fail. Apparently he wanted a pain pump. Expensive to perform, expensive to maintain. If a young vibrant male was alluded to that this was the reason or too young, ugh, cannot imagine his reaction. Am hoping it will all come out. Am sure there is a huge line of other so called victims. This is why am very well versed on all this. Some of the things said, done to me took great patience to deal with while in pain. He had a expectarion level and it went way wrong

 

[nhmemorymaker]

We do not actually know that. Some where along the way he was in the medical system. He had surgery or is that not true. Was he a indigent? Is this all because of his mothers problems? Her incredible pain. His family must be deeply entrenched in the medical world. That we know. We do not know all the goings ons. The back and forth to get to this point. Personally have been exposed to many of the ugly practices. I guess he could have just pent it all up and went beserk with no real injury? I doubt it though esp with the xrays " shown.". Can tell you 9,10 level pain its like nothing you can imagine. He said he went back and forth on deciding to get surgery...all for it to fail. Apparently he wanted a pain pump. Expensive to perform, expensive to maintain. If a young vibrant male was alluded to that this was the reason or too young, ugh, cannot imagine his reaction. Am hoping it will all come out. Am sure there is a huge line of other so called victims. This is why am very well versed on all this. Some of the things said, done to me took great patience to deal with while in pain. He had a expectarion level and it went way wrong

I do empathize. And feel your pain. I'm just saying ...unless you have been there...YOU SIMPLY DO NOT GET IT. Period. This is a young, previously virile young man. It probably was excruciating. And the intimacy...oh so damaging. I'm retired. I can sit around and TRY to get used to it. I dunno..young and fighting such pain, is a horrible living experience.

 

[JDG]

From the Country Club life to Cell Block Z.

 

[eishish]

I do empathize. And feel your pain. I'm just saying ...unless you have been there...YOU SIMPLY DO NOT GET IT. Period. This is a young, previously virile young man. It probably was excruciating. And the intimacy...oh so damaging. I'm retired. I can sit around and TRY to get used to it. I dunno..young and fighting such pain, is a horrible living experience.

Mostly was responding to fact that a post spoke of lm not being a uhc member, or knowing ceo. We do not know that. Giving what ifs...in the nicest way possible.

 

[Spacemonkey1975]

Just catching up on the tv news coverage of this today, and a couple of things really piss me off.

First, there was no reason to do this insane perp walk with all those heavily armed cops. He could have been transported quietly and secretly, without a single camera capturing him. It plays up the underdog/martyr image he has cultivated with a significant minority of the public. I mean, just look at this fricken picture.
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Secondly, and related to this, there was absolutely no reason for Mayor Adams to be present. He shouldn't be saying a word, as it is not in the interest of justice for him to be discussing this case. He's turning this into some political sideshow, with himself at the center of it. It makes the case political, and hurts the terrorism argument as a result.

I wish there was some way to just try this Federally, and have New York step aside.

 

[fred&edna]

Ppl denied, delayed, deposed to receive healthcare they write out a check for each month feel terrorized.

So, obviously "they" support and justify the stalking and murder of all leaders, CEO's, etc heading any other organization or company they feel are terrorizing them/are on their grievance list.

That makes absolutely no sense.

jmo

 

[sunspun]

Mostly was responding to fact that a post spoke of lm not being a uhc member, or knowing ceo. We do not know that. Giving what ifs...in the nicest way possible.

Seems like I recall reading that UHC put out a statement saying he was not a current or former customer of UHC, but I'll have to go back and see if I can find where they said that if so. Of course, even if that's true, it still may mean that he tried applying for coverage from UHC but was turned down. So if that's the case, he'd probably still have a personal beef with them. But we haven't been told that.

 

[al66pine]

A Plea Agreement?

But how will the victim's family feel about it? Will they feel that is justice for Brian?

@Sundog @citygirl

If a plea agreement is reached & is anything short of LWOP, seems Thompsons may feel cheated.

Not commenting on merits of the cases. Or any other point.

 

[Charlot123]

Discussion of the application of New York state's anti-terrorism statute and murder charges.

How N.Y. prosecutors used a terrorism law in the charges against Luigi Mangione

Mangione was charged under a state law that allows for stiffer sentences for terrifying civilians or influencing government. He is currently jailed in Pennsylvania.

whyy.org

Bronx gang member accused of killing a 10-year-old girl and paralyzing a man at a christening party. His conviction was overturned because it wasn't considered terrorism NY's top court: NYC gang member not a terrorist
A white man who committed a brutal hate crime it was considered terrorism. White supremacist sentenced for killing black man with sword


I guess it all depends on how the jury sees it etc....

The other cases cited are obvious forms of terrorism.

Terrorism is not how bad it is. I am positive that Israel Keys was worse than many terrorists.

Terrorism is political, that's all. It is merely intimidation and terrorizing the population in order to push forward a certain political agenda.

Terrorism is more "the means to an end" than what was done and how bad the act was.

So from this standpoint, surely the gangster who killed a 10-year-old is much worse that some terrorists. It is not even about the punishment, because there might be mitigating circumstances, after all.

However, they can also have "terrorism 1st, second, third degree, depending on the circumstances.

This is why our typical discussion, "murder is not the way to achieve changes" doesn't apply here; likewise, the answer "but denials are murder, too" absolutely doesn't fit. In terrorist cases, one by default doesn't aim at a human but rather a symbol or an institution. Likewise, someone programs AI to 90% rejections? In extreme cases, it has a name and a charge punishable extremely serious,, but not murder per se.

BTW, there are horrible examples of how political terror unleashed by the state mindlessly destroyed the greatest and most talented people, so in general, i am very much against it. This case might be "third degree terror" de-facto, but de-jure, it falls under the definition.

 

[al66pine]

UHG Statement

Seems like I recall reading that UHC put out a statement saying he was not a current or former customer of UHC, but I'll have to go back and see if I can find where they said that if so. Of course, even if that's true, it still may mean that he tried applying for coverage from UHC but was turned down. So if that's the case, he'd probably still have a personal beef with them. But we haven't been told that.

@sunspun This is right on the UHG website:
"... re-affirming that the killer and his parents were not UnitedHealthcare members."
The co's entire statement from that day Dec. 13 is below.


_____________________________________
"UnitedHealth Group Responds to Misinformation
"December 13, 2024

UnitedHealth Group today issued the following update:

"Claims approval rates
UnitedHealthcare approves and pays about 90% of medical claims upon submission. Importantly, of those that require further review, around one-half of one percent are due to medical or clinical reasons. Highly inaccurate and grossly misleading information has been circulated about our company’s treatment of insurance claims.

Whether the killer and his parents were UnitedHealthcare members
"Regarding the murder of Brian Thompson, we are re-affirming that the killer and his parents were not UnitedHealthcare members."

"About UnitedHealth Group" Then more info about co.

UnitedHealth Group Responds to Misinformation

UnitedHealth Group today issued the following update.

www.unitedhealthgroup.com

 

[eishish]

Seems like I recall reading that UHC put out a statement saying he was not a current or former customer of UHC, but I'll have to go back and see if I can find where they said that if so. Of course, even if that's true, it still may mean that he tried applying for coverage from UHC but was turned down. So if that's the case, he'd probably still have a personal beef with

Yes, twitty said that. Am fully aware

 

[Luna20]

From the Country Club life to Cell Block Z.

Him and Diddy behind bars at the same place. ‘I won’t be home for Christmas’

That’s convenient for their attorneys who are married to each other.

 

[LinasK]

We do not actually know that. Some where along the way he was in the medical system. He had surgery or is that not true. Was he a indigent? Is this all because of his mothers problems? Her incredible pain. His family must be deeply entrenched in the medical world. That we know. We do not know all the goings ons. The back and forth to get to this point. Personally have been exposed to many of the ugly practices. I guess he could have just pent it all up and went beserk with no real injury? I doubt it though esp with the xrays " shown.". Can tell you 9,10 level pain its like nothing you can imagine. He said he went back and forth on deciding to get surgery...all for it to fail. Apparently he wanted a pain pump. Expensive to perform, expensive to maintain. If a young vibrant male was alluded to that this was the reason or too young, ugh, cannot imagine his reaction. Am hoping it will all come out. Am sure there is a huge line of other so called victims. This is why am very well versed on all this. Some of the things said, done to me took great patience to deal with while in pain. He had a expectarion level and it went way wrong

Pain isn't a legal defense either, and apparently he got his healthcare and got his back surgery. He apparently isn't indigent since he worked and apparently is supplemented by his family in addition to that income.

 

[LinasK]

Mostly was responding to fact that a post spoke of lm not being a uhc member, or knowing ceo. We do not know that. Giving what ifs...in the nicest way possible.

We DO know that neither he nor his mother had United Healthcare as their provider, and we know that Brian Thompson was a stranger to him that he stalked.

 

[ilovewings]

We do not actually know that. Some where along the way he was in the medical system. He had surgery or is that not true. Was he a indigent? Is this all because of his mothers problems? Her incredible pain. His family must be deeply entrenched in the medical world. That we know. We do not know all the goings ons. The back and forth to get to this point. Personally have been exposed to many of the ugly practices. I guess he could have just pent it all up and went beserk with no real injury? I doubt it though esp with the xrays " shown.". Can tell you 9,10 level pain its like nothing you can imagine. He said he went back and forth on deciding to get surgery...all for it to fail. Apparently he wanted a pain pump. Expensive to perform, expensive to maintain. If a young vibrant male was alluded to that this was the reason or too young, ugh, cannot imagine his reaction. Am hoping it will all come out. Am sure there is a huge line of other so called victims. This is why am very well versed on all this. Some of the things said, done to me took great patience to deal with while in pain. He had a expectarion level and it went way wrong

I'm sorry, I am sure that many people, too many, have had terrible experiences with insurance companies- have experienced pain, denied treatment-- and expectation levels that went "way wrong"- Do you think that is justification to murder an employee, be it a CEO or whomever the angered person decides should pay the price

We are talking murder here for God's sake--- It is distressing that so many people are supporting a cold-blooded killer and have empathy for him. Not only was it murder but this was a cowardly killing- following Mr. Thompson and shooting him in the back!!! it was cowardly! How come nobody is pointing out that LM committed a cowardly killing. He could have gone up to him face to him and shot him, which of course would be horrible, but he shot the man in the back!

 

[Luna20]

We DO know that neither he nor his mother had United Healthcare as their provider, and we know that Brian Thompson was a stranger to him that he stalked.

Has his father spoken to any officials? Not sleuthing, just curious if he has made any statements. So far it’s been all about his mother.

Do you know if the grandmother with the Will clause was maternal or paternal?

 

[CrimeJunkie82]

does anyone know yet who's footing the bill for L.M.'s attornies?

From what Ive read, he comes from a wealthy family. I would assume that his family is

 

[CrimeJunkie82]

Have they established a motive? I read where he has had back surgery and was in constant pain from that. That doesn't give him the right to take another life. Was he denied some sort of treatment from an insurance company or is it still to early for that information to come out?