NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #11 *Arrest*

[LadyL]

What I am not understanding is why all the extra security while he is being transported?

because of the crazy people who think of him as a hero and threaten violence

From what Ive read, he comes from a wealthy family. I would assume that his family is

yes but no one has visited him in prison or attended any of his hearings except lawyers so any financial support is curious

 

[LadyL]

Has his father spoken to any officials? Not sleuthing, just curious if he has made any statements. So far it’s been all about his mother.

Do you know if the grandmother with the Will clause was maternal or paternal?

what will clause?

 

[Furore]

I wonder, if with all the planing, was he planning on getting caught?

How might different it be had he got a hotel room that morning.

We do not know if that X-ray is his, might not have ever had surgery.

He sure didn’t move like someone in pain. At. All.

I think it has been corroborated by multiple sources that he had at least at times significant pain, and dysfunction, affecting intimacy and every day activity. His Hawaiian room mate close to him certainly said LM had told him about the surgery and family friends/school contacts have also corroborated a pain/pain med issue. I don’t think chronic pain would be an excuse for murder anyway, but the fact he is mobilising around NY (particularly with intense adrenaline after shooting someone), doesn’t mean he is not someone who has never suffered with his back. For all we know he may have taken drugs that day. To be fair he has also extensively referenced back pain in his reddit/social media accounts.

I feel like his back pain over the years contributed to him having such healthcare resentment, as JMO but the average 26yo would generally not be so hyped about this issue.

I think what he did was cruel and unsanctionable but like others I am trying to piece together why this individual ended up doing what he did.

All JMOO

 

[MassGuy]

But that still doesn't answer as to why he chose UHC. Why not go after the healthcare company that he had?

Because it didn't have anything to do with a specific grievance, like his health insurance company. He was attacking capitalism, and corporate greed. He settled on that largest health insurance company in America, because it "checked all the boxes."

It sounds like he considered other targets, likely ones that had nothing to do with the health insurance industry. All these people who consider him some sort of martyr for the cause, don't realize that this guy didn't even share that cause.

Not really.

 

[MassGuy]

what will clause?

Luigi Mangione’s grandma left family $30 million in will — but the alleged assassin may never see a penny

Philanthropist Mary C. Mangione left her family an estate worth at least $30 million in her will, but grandson Luigi Mangione could be cut off if he’s found guilty of killing UnitedHealthcare…

nypost.com

 

[Arkay]

the Mayor is an ex-cop so he likes to be involved in LE activities and beyond that, he wants the world's CEOs to feel safe in NYC, IMO.

Yes, that is true.

I’ve met him at many, many community events and I have some awards from him, dating back to when he was the Brooklyn Borough President and I was a teacher at a Brooklyn school.

I don’t doubt his INTENTION was to portray strength and show the city, as well as important businesspeople, that we are all safe here.

Rather than show that the city and NYPD are being capably managed, nothing to see here, folks, the IMPRESSION this photo gave was more “make way for the star of the show, ladies and gentlemen, I now present you LUIGI MANGIONE.”

Here in NYC that is the majority opinion. The mayor is hanging behind Luigi and looks more like his lackey than the boss putting him away.

JMO.

 

[Friday Fan]

I think it has been corroborated by multiple sources that he had at least at times significant pain, and dysfunction, affecting intimacy and every day activity. His Hawaiian room mate close to him certainly said LM had told him about the surgery and family friends/school contacts have also corroborated a pain/pain med issue. I don’t think chronic pain would be an excuse for murder anyway, but the fact he is mobilising around NY (particularly with intense adrenaline after shooting someone), doesn’t mean he is not someone who has never suffered with his back. For all we know he may have taken drugs that day. To be fair he has also extensively referenced back pain in his reddit/social media accounts.

I feel like his back pain over the years contributed to him having such healthcare resentment, as JMO but the average 26yo would generally not be so hyped about this issue.

I think what he did was cruel and unsanctionable but like others I am trying to piece together why this individual ended up doing what he did.

All JMOO

I think he truly had pain, but I don't see it relevant to what he did. It likely gave him some free time to read up on "stuff", but I'm pretty sure that's where it ended. MOO

 

[Luna20]

what will clause?

Anyone who has or had criminal charges will not receive their portion of the Will.

 

[otto]

Seems like I recall reading that UHC put out a statement saying he was not a current or former customer of UHC, but I'll have to go back and see if I can find where they said that if so. Of course, even if that's true, it still may mean that he tried applying for coverage from UHC but was turned down. So if that's the case, he'd probably still have a personal beef with them. But we haven't been told that.

Did he have UHC coverage when he was working, but a couple of weeks after the office closed and coverage was terminated, he was scheduled for surgery and then had to rely on public, rather than private, health insurance surgery?

 

[otto]

Have they established a motive? I read where he has had back surgery and was in constant pain from that. That doesn't give him the right to take another life. Was he denied some sort of treatment from an insurance company or is it still to early for that information to come out?

We haven't read that he was/is in constant pain, and he doesn't move like he is in constant pain (jogging, cycling after murder).

He slipped a disc at his first surfing lesson and spend a week on his back while the disc sorted itself out. Then he slipped on a piece of paper a few weeks later and slipped a disc again. Tough luck.

Who left the paper on the floor? He did? Or was it a messy living space with paper all over the floor?

Then, after 1.5 years of conventional treatment, he had spinal fusion surgery. He wrote about how to fake needing the surgery, such as claiming involuntary urination and unable to work. It's not certain that he needed the surgery, or that he read about what to say to be granted the surgery.

Maybe his surgery did not give him what he wanted, but he didn't want to blame public health care - instead blame health coverage after losing his job? Is that what happened - top tier health insurance until he lost his job mere weeks before surgery?

 

[otto]

Have they established a motive? I read where he has had back surgery and was in constant pain from that. That doesn't give him the right to take another life. Was he denied some sort of treatment from an insurance company or is it still to early for that information to come out?

Motive was clear - terrorism. He shot a random stranger in the back because he was angry about health insurance policy in the USA. He intended to strike fear into CEOs, CIOs, CFOs and who knows who else. His position seems to be that he can select a random COO (chief operating officer) and shoot him in the back to become a martyr policy changer. Delusion, but motive was policy change.

 

[otto]

I wonder, if with all the planing, was he planning on getting caught?

How might different it be had he got a hotel room that morning.

We do not know if that X-ray is his, might not have ever had surgery.

He sure didn’t move like someone in pain. At. All.

It would have been different had he not flirted with the NYC hostel clerk. He dropped his mask to show his beautiful smile. That was his mistake. Without that mistake, he might be travelling internationally - although, in some ways, it seems like he didn't have the guts.

We don't know whether he had surgery, or imagined it, whether the x-ray is his or off the internet.

He doesn't jog, cycle, or resist police as though his back hurts.

 

[otto]

But that still doesn't answer as to why he chose UHC. Why not go after the healthcare company that he had? does True Car Inc. use for employee health insurance?

Does True Car Inc. use UHC health insurance? Was Mangione unexpectedly cut off (re-structuring) work insurance coverage a couple of weeks before scheduled July 2023 surgery because he had to switch insurance coverage to non-work public health insurance coverage? Did he still have the same surgeon?

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It would have been different had he not flirted with the NYC hostel clerk. He dropped his mask to show his beautiful smile. That was his mistake. Without that mistake, he might be travelling internationally - although, in some ways, it seems like he didn't have the guts.

We don't know whether he had surgery, or imagined it, whether the x-ray is his or off the internet.

He doesn't jog, cycle, or resist police as though his back hurts.

I've read conflicting accounts of this.

What I remember is the clerk flirtatiously asking him to show his beautiful smile, as a much softer version of "please take off your mask so I can ID you."

He didn't have much choice in the matter if he wanted to check in.

My conclusion: he wasn't caught because he flirted with the clerk. He was caught because the clerk asked him to take his mask down and he didn't have a choice.

 

[otto]

Has his father spoken to any officials? Not sleuthing, just curious if he has made any statements. So far it’s been all about his mother.

Do you know if the grandmother with the Will clause was maternal or paternal?

I too have wondered where the parents are as a couple propping up their crazy son - who is accused of cold-blooded murder. The mother, rather than the couple, speaking up ... are his parents separated?

The grandfather died before the grandmother, and then the Will came into effect. Good question whether the clause was grandfather or grandmother. It might have been in place 13 years before the grandmother died in 2023. That implies that it relates to their 10 children, and not 37 grandchildren.

 

[otto]

Anyone who has or had criminal charges will not receive their portion of the Will.

For how many generations? A clause like that could apply to beneficiaries, but descendents of descendants should not impoverish grandparents. There has to be an end date to a clause stipulating un-inherited due to indictment.

I doubt the clause applied to anyone other than beneficiaries of the Will.

 

[Friday Fan]

We haven't read that he was/is in constant pain, and he doesn't move like he is in constant pain (jogging, cycling after murder).

He slipped a disc at his first surfing lesson and spend a week on his back while the disc sorted itself out. Then he slipped on a piece of paper a few weeks later and slipped a disc again. Tough luck.

Who left the paper on the floor? He did? Or was it a messy living space with paper all over the floor?

Then, after 1.5 years of conventional treatment, he had spinal fusion surgery. He wrote about how to fake needing the surgery, such as claiming involuntary urination and unable to work. It's not certain that he needed the surgery, or that he read about what to say to be granted the surgery.

Maybe his surgery did not give him what he wanted, but he didn't want to blame public health care - instead blame health coverage after losing his job? Is that what happened - top tier health insurance until he lost his job mere weeks before surgery?

Where did he write that he faked it???

 

[otto]

Where did he write that he faked it???

Twitter and reddit. Based on timeline, he had a reddit account for 6 years. He's 26 years old. He participated in the back surgery discussion, advocating surgery until 10 months later in May, 2024.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Yes, that is true.

I’ve met him at many, many community events and I have some awards from him, dating back to when he was the Brooklyn Borough President and I was a teacher at a Brooklyn school.

I don’t doubt his INTENTION was to portray strength and show the city, as well as important businesspeople, that we are all safe here.

Rather than show that the city and NYPD are being capably managed, nothing to see here, folks, the IMPRESSION this photo gave was more “make way for the star of the show, ladies and gentlemen, I now present you LUIGI MANGIONE.”

Here in NYC that is the majority opinion. The mayor is hanging behind Luigi and looks more like his lackey than the boss putting him away.

JMO.

At the beginning of the case, Luigi appeared to always be a step in front of LE. I do believe this case riled the collective NYPD into such a fury.
They will never get over that..

However, I do believe they CAN handle this case. Can you imagine if this has happened in South Dakota or Vermont??

 

[Friday Fan]

Twitter and reddit. Based on timeline, he had a reddit account for 6 years. He's 26 years old. He participated in the back surgery discussion, advocating surgery until 10 months later in May, 2024.

Do you have a link? I checked earlier and could not find it. I never remember reading on reddit that he faked it to get his surgery approved.

His twitter doesn't show anything like that. I've read all the way back to 2016

x.com

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USA today presented a summary of his reddit posts and never mentioned it. Also there was an archive of his reddit posts and I never found the post where he said he faked incontinence etc.