NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #11 *Arrest*

[IDK]

I don’t know if it has been ever posted but here is an interview with Philip Klein who used to be BT’s security on three different occasions. I enjoyed it more than many other such interviews. A no-nonsense guy. I always suspected one of his two versions in answer to why BT had no bodyguard that day was true. Don’t know if we’ll ever get the full answer.

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Thank you for posting, agree it was a good interview.

Interesting to note that BT may have stayed at a secondary location as a security measure, and not just a random choice.

Also interesting that BT had been to a few bars the night before. It wasn’t mentioned if he was with anyone else or alone, but he definitely didn’t have security with him at the time. All IMO

 

[NuttMegg]

I don’t know if it has been ever posted but here is an interview with Philip Klein who used to be BT’s security on three different occasions. I enjoyed it more than many other such interviews. A no-nonsense guy. I always suspected one of his two versions in answer to why BT had no bodyguard that day was true. Don’t know if we’ll ever get the full answer.

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Very interesting, thanks for finding that. Like they said, only 2 possibilities, he declined being accompanied by security or they refused to provide the normal service for him.

Guess most can see the first being more likely. So, still not answered, unless I missed it. Who if anyone was BT meeting in the bars, why didn't he drink in his hotel? Where it would be safer. Where was Luigi all day Tuesday, and that night. Did he track BT into one of the bars, take note of the showy blue jacket?

 

[Tiff23fr]

I don’t know if it has been ever posted but here is an interview with Philip Klein who used to be BT’s security on three different occasions. I enjoyed it more than many other such interviews. A no-nonsense guy. I always suspected one of his two versions in answer to why BT had no bodyguard that day was true. Don’t know if we’ll ever get the full answer.
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I had trouble with your link, here is a direct link should others run into the same challenge. PK worked with BT’s detail on three occasions in the 2000’s.

Southeast Texas private investigator who did security for slain United Healthcare CEO reacts to murder

Philip Klein, a Southeast Texas private investigator, worked with Brian Thompson's security detail on three occasions. He says the case is baffling.

www.12newsnow.com

Some interesting Points in there @Charlot123

-a Southeast Texas private investigator, worked with Thompson's security detail on three occasions.
-runs his own firm (named in article)
-tells 12News the killer's knowledge of Thompson's schedule and the time of NYPD's shift change

“Klein tells 12News the killer's knowledge of Thompson's schedule and the time of NYPD's shift change, were enough to warrant some type of security, on top of the reported threats Thompson received, according to his wife.”

—NOT IMPLYING the Above or below are connected. Looking at one directed me to the other when looking to support Charlot’s link —

Wife’s Comments:
"There had been some threats," she told NBC News. "Basically, I don’t know, a lack of coverage? I don’t know details. I just know that he said there were some people that had been threatening him."

UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot outside NYC hotel in 'premeditated, preplanned targeted attack'

Brian Thompson, 50, was outside the hotel on Sixth Avenue when the suspect shot him in the chest and leg around 6:45 a.m.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Tiff23fr]

Very interesting, thanks for finding that. Like they said, only 2 possibilities, he declined being accompanied by security or they refused to provide the normal service for him.

Guess most can see the first being more likely. So, still not answered, unless I missed it. Who if anyone was BT meeting in the bars, why didn't he drink in his hotel? Where it would be safer. Where was Luigi all day Tuesday, and that night. Did he track BT into one of the bars, take note of the showy blue jacket?

Do you have a link for the bars comment? Not asking sarcastically, this is just the first I have read of it.

 

[Sundog]

We haven't read that he was/is in constant pain, and he doesn't move like he is in constant pain (jogging, cycling after murder).

He slipped a disc at his first surfing lesson and spend a week on his back while the disc sorted itself out. Then he slipped on a piece of paper a few weeks later and slipped a disc again. Tough luck.

Who left the paper on the floor? He did? Or was it a messy living space with paper all over the floor?

Then, after 1.5 years of conventional treatment, he had spinal fusion surgery. He wrote about how to fake needing the surgery, such as claiming involuntary urination and unable to work. It's not certain that he needed the surgery, or that he read about what to say to be granted the surgery.

Maybe his surgery did not give him what he wanted, but he didn't want to blame public health care - instead blame health coverage after losing his job? Is that what happened - top tier health insurance until he lost his job mere weeks before surgery?

The thing is, though, that if he lost his job just weeks before surgery, then he could have still been covered with his same work health plan through COBRA which is continuing coverage after you lose your job - it is expensive because you pay the amount you had previously been paying to your employer for coverge plus the amount that your employer had been subsidizing/paying for your health plan coverage. He could have taken that for a couple of months until the surgery was done and he had recovered. Your employer has to offer you this option if you lose your job by being laid off, COBRA is a federal government program. So he could still have his top tier health insurance coverage for at least 18 months after losing his job, exact same coverage as he had while employed at True Car. Also, around the time of COVID, the coverage offered by COBRA was extended beyond 18 months, IIRC. So he definitely had this option if it actually was the case that he lost the coverage that he had at True Car.

 

[NuttMegg]

Do you have a link for the bars comment? Not asking sarcastically, this is just the first I have read of it.

2:52. He went out to a couple of bars the night before. Without a detail. Told to interviewee Klein by NYPD. 2:21 "He either shirked his detail" or.....
Also, Klein says that the oil company paid for BT's security previously at an event in Texas. So maybe UHC, being it their own event, didn't want to pay for it?

In Charlot123's link about 6 posts above, in this thread. There is a lot more information in her post.

 

[legalese]

The thing is, though, that if he lost his job just weeks before surgery, then he could have still been covered with his same work health plan through COBRA which is continuing coverage after you lose your job - it is expensive because you pay the amount you had previously been paying to your employer for coverge plus the amount that your employer had been subsidizing/paying for your health plan coverage. He could have taken that for a couple of months until the surgery was done and he had recovered. Your employer has to offer you this option if you lose your job by being laid off, COBRA is a federal government program. So he could still have his top tier health insurance coverage for at least 18 months after losing his job, exact same coverage as he had while employed at True Car. Also, around the time of COVID, the coverage offered by COBRA was extended beyond 18 months, IIRC. So he definitely had this option if it actually was the case

COBRA can be VERY expensive. I can’t imagine paying those premiums for 18 months.

Wasn’t LM 25 at the time of his surgery? Maybe he rejoined his parents’ health insurance?

 

[Tiff23fr]

2:52. He went out to a couple of bars the night before.

In Charlot123's link about 6 posts above, in this thread. There is a lot more information in her post.

Thank you!
I look forward to watching this.

 

[Sundog]

COBRA can be VERY expensive. I can’t imagine paying those premiums for 18 months.

Wasn’t LM 25 at the time of his surgery? Maybe he rejoined his parents’ health insurance?

It's doable for one person for a few months if they need it in an emergency situation such as facing surgery in a few weeks after being laid off. I think LM could afford it. I have a close family member who took COBRA option for six months and it was expensive, but it gave him the coverage he needed for a planned surgery. After six months he had a new job and was covered by health care and dropped the COBRA.

ETA Maybe LM did join his parent's health insurance coverage if he was eligible at the time, but the point is that he had options.

 

[Charlot123]

Very interesting, thanks for finding that. Like they said, only 2 possibilities, he declined being accompanied by security or they refused to provide the normal service for him.

Guess most can see the first being more likely. So, still not answered, unless I missed it. Who if anyone was BT meeting in the bars, why didn't he drink in his hotel? Where it would be safer. Where was Luigi all day Tuesday, and that night. Did he track BT into one of the bars, take note of the showy blue jacket?

Obviously BT was provided security in early 2000es (perhaps the events themselves were a very high level, not BT specifically), so why not now?

I wonder if it is a “milder version” of option nr. 2. The probe is not easy for BT, he might be demoralized and doesn’t want to attract attention. I wonder if he behaved typically for a person seeing the writing on the wall?

The bars represent a common stress-induced behavior. He can be easily visible in the bar. Interestingly, Klein described BT as very aware of his surroundings, so something definitely was going on.

 

[BrianJohnson]

The fact he knew what time the shift changes for NYPD were makes me wonder if he had a serving or former cop helping him/keeping a lookout for BT

Police shift handover times are not the sort of thing readily available online

 

[NuttMegg]

The fact he knew what time the shift changes for NYPD were makes me wonder if he had a serving or former cop helping him/keeping a lookout for BT

Police shift handover times are not the sort of thing readily available online

BT would also have known that shift change time, and that there is less police presence then. If he didn't know, his detail, had he chosen to use one, would have known.

 

[GlassCityRx]

IMHO, the mayor like others have said was there for appearances that criminals will be caught in his city. He is trying to protect the safety of NYC . His reputation is at stake as well as the local economy.

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[acutename]

Obviously BT was provided security in early 2000es (perhaps the events themselves were a very high level, not BT specifically), so why not now?

I wonder if it is a “milder version” of option nr. 2. The probe is not easy for BT, he might be demoralized and doesn’t want to attract attention. I wonder if he behaved typically for a person seeing the writing on the wall?

The bars represent a common stress-induced behavior. He can be easily visible in the bar. Interestingly, Klein described BT as very aware of his surroundings, so something definitely was going on.

If BT had assigned security, could he just "shoo them away?" or was he and were they contractually obligated to "stay together?"

 

[Charlot123]

If BT had assigned security, could he just "shoo them away?" or was he and were they contractually obligated to "stay together?"

I wouldn’t know. I only see a difference in the attitude from 2005 till now. Klein described Thompson, if I understand correctly, organized, following orders and being aware of his surroundings. Something has changed since that time.

 

[BrianJohnson]

Witty had, and used security in NYC so I would be very surprised if the company were too tight to offer it to BT, I think BT just didn't want it, he seemed the casual sort in the way he dressed and seemed quite laid back as a person so probably didn't want to be fussed over

 

[detective.moon]

Exclusive | Insurance industry leaned on DOJ to take Luigi Mangione case as deterrent against copycat killers: sources

Health insurance industry leaders leaned on the US Department of Justice to prosecute accused UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin Luigi Mangione.

nypost.com

“Sources told The Post that the federal charges came amid pressure from health insurance industry leaders to make an example out of Mangione, though it was unclear which specific entities petitioned the DOJ.”

 

[girlhasnoname]

I’d be surprised if he didn’t plead out. At least to second degree murder. Even if he has some sort of insanity defense (unlikely), his chance of winning at trial appears to be extremely low.

Agree that would be the wise thing to do. I think it depends on how much of LM's ego/desire to appear as "making a stand" against HealthCare and Capitalism as he related in his manifesto will drive his decision making process.

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"I'm sorry for the strife and any trauma, but it had to be done".

"It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty."

Luigi Mangione manifesto: Read reported document in full

JMO

 

[NuttMegg]

Exclusive | Insurance industry leaned on DOJ to take Luigi Mangione case as deterrent against copycat killers: sources

Health insurance industry leaders leaned on the US Department of Justice to prosecute accused UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin Luigi Mangione.

nypost.com

“Sources told The Post that the federal charges came amid pressure from health insurance industry leaders to make an example out of Mangione, though it was unclear which specific entities petitioned the DOJ.”

Follow the $$

 

[Kudzuu]

I am so saddened by the number of people who are condoning and even cheering on this murder.

This is not my beautiful country. Or maybe it was all along and it was well hidden up until now.

Either way, I'm saddened.

ETA: Having worked in the healthcare industry for years now, I completely get the rage against it. It's justifiable.

But I am saddened that anyone thinks murder is a step in the right direction.

I agree with every word.

I tried 4 times to reply but every topic is so political my thoughts about violence, murder and ghost guns would be taken as off topic when in fact loving our country, trying to keep our citizens safe, our children safe in schools should not be dividing issues in this day and age.

This young man's actions are a symptom of how our society is shifting in the 21st century.

IMO the world is a very complicated place. There aren't simple solutions that work quickly.

I hope I was vague enough not to offend but I'm old. I grew up shooting guns and sharing a bathroom.