NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #11 *Arrest*

[justpeachy22]

Agree that would be the wise thing to do. I think it depends on how much of LM's ego/desire to appear as "making a stand" against HealthCare and Capitalism as he related in his manifesto will drive his decision making process.

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"I'm sorry for the strife and any trauma, but it had to be done".

"It is not an issue of awareness at this point, but clearly power games at play. Evidently I am the first to face it with such brutal honesty."

Luigi Mangione manifesto: Read reported document in full

JMO

Agree. I have noted that LM hasn’t seemed to lose his large ego since his arrest. During the perp walk he looked confident, head held high, looked at the cameras, didn’t appear stressed, looked around. Regret and shame did not seem to be part of that image, though he was also likely coached by his attorney to not walk in shame. It’s as if he’s still on his mission of a making a stand even though he accomplished what he wanted to do.

Also in regards to LM atty, she appeared to be timid when walking into the courtroom with her crutches. I was expecting her to act more type A as a high power atty. Maybe she was just overwhelmed by the chaos outside.

Has anyone seen the image of the LM perp walk next to the new Superman movie trailer that dropped on same day, showing Superman in a same perp walk. You can imagine the discourse about that. Bad timing.

 

[DMB]

UHG Statement

@sunspun This is right on the UHG website:
"... re-affirming that the killer and his parents were not UnitedHealthcare members."
The co's entire statement from that day Dec. 13 is below.


_____________________________________
"UnitedHealth Group Responds to Misinformation
"December 13, 2024

UnitedHealth Group today issued the following update:

"Claims approval rates
UnitedHealthcare approves and pays about 90% of medical claims upon submission. Importantly, of those that require further review, around one-half of one percent are due to medical or clinical reasons. Highly inaccurate and grossly misleading information has been circulated about our company’s treatment of insurance claims.

Whether the killer and his parents were UnitedHealthcare members
"Regarding the murder of Brian Thompson, we are re-affirming that the killer and his parents were not UnitedHealthcare members."

"About UnitedHealth Group" Then more info about co.

UnitedHealth Group Responds to Misinformation

UnitedHealth Group today issued the following update.

www.unitedhealthgroup.com

That is still millions and millions of people!!!! These are our mothers, fathers, children, not percentages!

 

[LinasK]

I believe that public hospitals have to provide care whether or not you have the ability to pay. A doctor told me that sometimes you get better care without insurance because the doctors don't have to get insurance approval to provide any service you may need. Doctors take an oath to care for sick people with or without the ability to pay. A privately owned hospital is a different story; they may turn you away if you can't pay, but public owned/community hospitals can't. That is why so many indigents use the emergency as if it were their primary care physician. MOO. Katt

Yes, but is a public hospital going to provide Elective Surgery like back surgery if you're indigent? I'd think they'd only provide surgery on an emergency basis. Walking in and saying you have pain won't get you triaged as an emergency in an ER.

 

[Friday Fan]

Agree. I have noted that LM hasn’t seemed to lose his large ego since his arrest. During the perp walk he looked confident, head held high, looked at the cameras, didn’t appear stressed, looked around. Regret and shame did not seem to be part of that image, though he was also likely coached by his attorney to not walk in shame. It’s as if he’s still on his mission of a making a stand even though he accomplished what he wanted to do.

Also in regards to LM atty, she appeared to be timid when walking into the courtroom with her crutches. I was expecting her to act more type A as a high power atty. Maybe she was just overwhelmed by the chaos outside.

Has anyone seen the image of the LM perp walk next to the new Superman movie trailer that dropped on same day, showing Superman in a same perp walk. You can imagine the discourse about that. Bad timing.

Yep! Noticed this too!

 

[nhmemorymaker]

COBRA can be VERY expensive. I can’t imagine paying those premiums for 18 months.

Wasn’t LM 25 at the time of his surgery? Maybe he rejoined his parents’ health insurance?

I would think there was a strong possibility he stayed on his parents plan all along.

I think smaller companies are offering less substantial employee health plans these days....
I had fabulous health care with larger high tech companies in the 80s and 90s. Just fabulous.
But both my children have been with decent employers, but not with great health plans.
My guess is that his parents could afford top of the notch, and there ARE differences. He would have been better off on their plan all along.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Obviously BT was provided security in early 2000es (perhaps the events themselves were a very high level, not BT specifically), so why not now?

I wonder if it is a “milder version” of option nr. 2. The probe is not easy for BT, he might be demoralized and doesn’t want to attract attention. I wonder if he behaved typically for a person seeing the writing on the wall?

The bars represent a common stress-induced behavior. He can be easily visible in the bar. Interestingly, Klein described BT as very aware of his surroundings, so something definitely was going on.

Am I missing something? (serious question). Klein goes back 15+ years.... is he really on top of what was going on with BT recently.

 

[sunspun]

Anyone who has or had criminal charges will not receive their portion of the Will.

But she has already passed away, right? So I assume her estate has already been distributed and her descendants have already received their inheritances. So any felony charges on any of them now can't affect their inheritance from her, right? Although it wouldn't be surprising if one or both of Luigi's parents themselves also had a similar clause in their own wills. Hm. Wouldn't that be interesting?

 

[helix527]

I haven't been following the case much since his capture at the Pennsylvania McDonalds.

Two questions:

1. Is there any indication of how he knew about the investor meeting at the Hilton? Particularly the schedule and guest list.

2. I understand he escaped Manhattan by Penn Station. Is there any CCTV footage of him travelling at any point between Penn Station and the McDonalds? For instance, transferring in Philadelphia?

 

[Marantz4250b]

Exclusive | Insurance industry leaned on DOJ to take Luigi Mangione case as deterrent against copycat killers: sources

Health insurance industry leaders leaned on the US Department of Justice to prosecute accused UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin Luigi Mangione.

nypost.com

“Sources told The Post that the federal charges came amid pressure from health insurance industry leaders to make an example out of Mangione, though it was unclear which specific entities petitioned the DOJ.”

From what little I know of that outlet.....I wouldn't believe a word of anything they print!

 

[Sundog]

From what little I know of that outlet.....I wouldn't believe a word of anything they print!

Unless we get reports from some other MSM sources about this, I wouldn't take it as necessarily accurate.

 

[LadyL]

I don’t know if it has been ever posted but here is an interview with Philip Klein who used to be BT’s security on three different occasions. I enjoyed it more than many other such interviews. A no-nonsense guy. I always suspected one of his two versions in answer to why BT had no bodyguard that day was true. Don’t know if we’ll ever get the full answer.

Google Search

link leads to a blank page for me
briefly, what are the two versions?

 

[Mica]

link leads to a blank page for me
briefly, what are the two versions?

Maybe this link will work…

 

[sunspun]

That is still millions and millions of people!!!! These are our mothers, fathers, children, not percentages!

Who do you mean? The people who submitted the 10 percent of claims to UHC that were denied? Well, there are probably a lot of people who aren't entirely clear on what their policy covers, and submit a claim for something that their policy doesn't cover. It's very confusing, and I would bet that most ordinary people couldn't tell you with certainty what all is included in their coverage. When they get sick or injured, most people just go to the hospital, hand over their insurance card and hope for the best, imo.

I don't know if we can believe that 90% claim that UHC is now making, but if it's true, I certainly don't see anything wrong with that. In fact, that seems like maybe too good to be true really. That would have to include people who tried to claim, say, an elective surgery that wasn't covered in their plan, people who were treated by a doctor or hospital that wasn't in their plan, people who were denied for a specific thing that there were other cheaper alternatives for, people who waited too late to file a claim, people who had let their policy expire or their coverage lapse, or can't fill out the forms properly... even people who aren't even insured by UHC! Seems like that right there would be more than 10%. I personally don't see that 90% claim as credible. But I wouldn't think they would make that claim publicly if not true, because I assume that's verifiable. Where did those other percents come from that were reported, with UHC having the worst denial rate at about 32%? And that figure was out there and seemed to be publicly well known before this. So why didn't UHC publicly refute this before now? Seems like they'd want to correct that massive error and the public misperception of their company. But like everyone says, maybe they just didn't care what we thought about them or what they did. So maybe now they care a little?

 

[MassGuy]

I haven't been following the case much since his capture at the Pennsylvania McDonalds.

Two questions:

1. Is there any indication of how he knew about the investor meeting at the Hilton? Particularly the schedule and guest list.

2. I understand he escaped Manhattan by Penn Station. Is there any CCTV footage of him travelling at any point between Penn Station and the McDonalds? For instance, transferring in Philadelphia?

We do know he knew about that conference, and that he’d be able to target the CEO there. I’m assuming he found out about it online. If it wasn’t published anywhere, maybe he communicated with someone who did know.

We don’t know specifics of his movements, or what they actually have on camera.

How Luigi Mangione’s notebook helped federal prosecutors build their case and what’s next as he faces mounting charges

It was writings laid bare in a notebook found in Luigi Mangione’s possession, authorities say, that would help investigators build the federal case against him – a well-planned homicide that involved weeks of stalking the movements of his alleged victim, UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.yahoo.com

 

[MassGuy]

Behind a Paywall so I used AI to summarize. Nothing we don't know already, but it's a good recap.​

•Health Issues: Mangione suffered from sleeplessness, brain fog, back pain, irritable bowel syndrome, and visual snow.​

•Social Media Presence: Mangione was active on Reddit forums, discussing topics like Pokémon Go, the University of Pennsylvania, bioinformatics, and health issues.
•Disappearance and Arrest: Mangione disappeared before being arrested and charged with the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.
•Mental Health Symptoms: Mangione experienced symptoms like agitation, lack of sleep, brain fog, and visual snow, which could be linked to various physical and mental health conditions.
•Potential Causes and Diagnoses: Mangione underwent tests for Lyme disease, an autoimmune condition, and cancer treatment, but the results were inconclusive.
•Impact on Academic Performance: Mangione’s symptoms, particularly brain fog, negatively affected his ability to concentrate and study, leading to poor grades and thoughts of dropping out of college.
•Suspect’s Background: The suspect, Mangione, was a college graduate who worked in data engineering and lived in Hawaii.
•Physical Health Issues: Mangione suffered from back pain, spondylolisthesis, and nerve damage, which worsened after a surfing injury.
•Mental Health Impact: Mangione’s chronic pain led to sleep disturbances, stress, and social isolation.
•Surgery Type: Spinal-fusion surgery to stabilize the spine.
•Surgery Outcome: Mangione reported significant pain relief and a positive recovery.
•Post-Surgery Advice: Mangione shared advice on Reddit and X, including suggesting people use specific language to advocate for themselves when seeking medical care.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/luigi-mangione-mental-health-ceo-shooting-2d45aea8

 

[Fabled Automatic]

The broader concern, which I believe to be very real, is that this is going to become the new way of settling scores.

Murder has always been used by some as a means of settling scores. Like when Gary Plauche shot the man who molested his son. Or how about the murder of Notorious B.I.G? Just to name two.

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Your difference of opinion is a justification for murder.

I disagree that anything I've said is a justification of murder. Murder is both never justified, but also doesn't need justification at the same time. A person who wishes to harm another doesnt need justification.

Your common murder does not have these implications. So you respond by throwing the book at him.

I don't see how his murder is any different than many other murders that happen daily, other than he killed a very wealthy person whom many people are going to rally for because of shared interests - than say the poor ghetto kid who was shot and killed today whom many people won't miss, let alone know he existed, outside of his small, possibly broken family.

What you do not do, is create a spectacle that undermines what you are trying to achieve. What they are doing is the opposite of what their goal is.

I disagree. I think their goal is to send the message: "This is what happens when you kill one of ours". And that message has been received loud and clear.

They are turning a cold blooded killer into a martyr with these optics.

I agree.

 

[nightowl1975]

That is still millions and millions of people!!!! These are our mothers, fathers, children, not percentages!

I would also say their statement about paying claims is highly misleading. Many patients never receive care at all because prior auths are required and denied. So there’s never a claim to file, if that makes sense. I see this DAILY in my line of work. So the idea that UHC *still* denies claims after requiring patients to get a prior authorization is vile to me. Not an excuse for murder, of course, but I see how something like this could happen. All IMO only.

 

[acutename]

link leads to a blank page for me
briefly, what are the two versions?

1. security not provided
2. security "called off" by BT

 

[MassGuy]

Murder has always been used by some as a means of settling scores. Like when Gary Plauche shot the man who molested his son. Or how about the murder of Notorious B.I.G? Just to name two.

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I disagree that anything I've said is a justification of murder. Murder is both never justified, but also doesn't need justification at the same time. A person who wishes to harm another doesnt need justification.



I don't see how his murder is any different than many other murders that happen daily, other than he killed a very wealthy person whom many people are going to rally for because of shared interests - than say the poor ghetto kid who was shot and killed today whom many people won't miss, let alone know he existed, outside of his small, possibly broken family.



I disagree. I think their goal is to send the message: "This is what happens when you kill one of ours". And that message has been received loud and clear.



I agree.

I disagree with pretty much everything you've said, but I'll focus on a couple parts:

If Brian Thompson was gunned down outside his home in Minnesota, this is a story that does not lead to even a fraction of the coverage that we got here.

It's the totality of the circumstances.

It's the fact that he was gunned down in early morning hours, by a masked man with a silenced pistol, in front of surveillance cameras, in the middle of NYC, and the gunman got away.

It's the fact that this gunman wrote cryptic words on the bullet casings, and left a bag filled with Monopoly money for police to find.

It's the kind of case that is inherently going to capture the public's imagination, because things like this simply do not happen in real life. There is no comparison, and the implications are not the same as the hundreds of thousands of murders that have occurred in America over the past few decades.

Assassinations (this) and terrorist attacks have a much broader impact on the public than your typical murder. It has nothing to do with one human life being more valuable than another, but what the act itself means to society at large.

Threats increase, and as those threats increase, the likelihood that someone will be inspired by an event like this increases.

Which is precisely what happened with school shootings. It's not like kids didn't have access to guns 30-40 years ago, but they were inspired by what they saw on tv, especially after Columbine. Just think about all the mass shootings we've had since then.

So the fear here is that this is only the beginning, a new age of assassinating people in the public eye that someone doesn't like.

And a sick minority of the population thinks that's ok.

 

[waldojabba]

Clumsily snipped for focus, not necessarily directed at you

It's been pointed out numerous times that BT was a father, as though that makes the crime more heinous.

If he weren't a father, would that make the crime less heinous?

Of course not.

The crime was heinous whether BT was a father or not.

Totally agree. In my book we are all important. All Gods creatures.
It’s also constantly pointed out that he is a CEO. Bc obviously he was. But would it be any less heinous if he were just “Joe Public”?
It’s just the way life is, but he is obviously valued more bc he made a lot of money etc. Held a high position etc. ( the copycat business does not hold a lot of water for me - and the show of force perp walk to convince other ceos nyc is safe - cmon. NYC is as safe tomorrow as it was yesterday).
Look at the resources thrown at this. If I had a loved one killed this year in NYC and got perfunctory attention and follow up by LE - I’d be livid watching this. There were approx 280 murders in nyc in 2023
NYPD statistics show murders, shootings down in 2023; optimistic about 2024
Lots of inequities being underlined and highlighted by this case.
JMO