NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #11 *Arrest*

[Dotta]

"The 'brain fog'-related health condition
Luigi Mangione complained about
prior to Brian Thompson killing."

'Brain fog'-related condition that plagued Mangione before shooting

The 26-year-old Ivy League graduate frequently posted about his health battles online, including suffering with 'brain fog' at college.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Charlot123]

You can say that again.

Hollywood often frames rebellion and violence in ways that highlight charisma or a righteous cause. They blur moral boundaries and encourage viewers to sympathize--or even root for--those who break the law. Maybe it started with the earliest Western movies.

That dynamic is at play here, too.

Not only this. Read Robert Ludlum, for example. Or John Grisham. The protagonists are loners who wage an impossible battle and win because their cause is right.

This is not the real life. In fact, a person can’t survive alone. However, this is how people are raised. A lone wolf with the cause. It was since the 60es; in French or Italian movies, too. The hero may even be bad, like Alain Delon in “the Samurai”, but he has to have the right look.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

For those who, like me, couldn't keep up with the speed of these threads and missed a lot: LM was actually a POI before he was located at the McDonald's. The F.B.I. spoke with his mother before his arrest.
(Just to clear that up for anyone else who missed it.)

Luigi Mangione's Mother Told FBI She "Could See Him" Shooting UnitedHealthcare CEO

The FBI spoke with the suspect's mother two days before he was identified and apprehended.

people.com

 

[Charlot123]

That's what really bothers me about this case. A young, intelligent, educated, seemingly socially adept man from a wealthy family background just decides out of the blue to ruin both his life and another man's life. He had to have realized that he would be caught and probably spend the rest of his life in prison. I just don't get it. He could have had a very successful career, started a family, and enjoyed many more trips to exotic locations around the world. Why he opted for living in a cage instead is beyond my comprehension.

My feeling? He was probably immature and confused and in the right age group. Too many books at once, hard to process. Imagine: two years down the road, Luigi in a relationship. Starts talking about the unfairness, the parasites, etc. The partner yawns and says, OK, let’s have risotto for dinner, watch a movie, etc. By the morning, everything is forgotten and people are making plans for the week.

 

[BrianJohnson]

"The 'brain fog'-related health condition
Luigi Mangione complained about
prior to Brian Thompson killing."

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'Brain fog'-related condition that plagued Mangione before shooting

The 26-year-old Ivy League graduate frequently posted about his health battles online, including suffering with 'brain fog' at college.

www.dailymail.co.uk

His brain fog can’t have been that bad if he could plan an assassination in such detail, left no stone unturned in his pursuit of killing BT, excuses excuses

 

[otto]

Good piece here featuring Barbara Mcquade, former US Attorney. She compares the terrorism charge to a hate crime charge, pointing out that people criticize that one too because it treats certain people as special. She counters that argument by saying that both hate and terrorism crimes seek to coerce and intimate a segment of the population.

She says that it's not your typical murder for that reason. This wasn't just a robbery gone bad, revenge murder, or a random murder on the street; it was designed to send a message to corporate America. The words on the bullets, the talk in the notebook of whacking a CEO, suggests that this is political violence, which has no place in America.

She addresses the risk here of giving him a soap box and how this charge may complicate things, but says that the evidence is very strong. She points out that even if a jury can't agree that the motive was terrorism, they can still find him guilty of second degree murder.

She goes on to talk about how there is no conflict between the Federal and state charges.

That's similar to the RCMP link I posted recently in connection to motive. Mangione meets all criteria of this Canadian definition of hate crime. The down side is that charges rely entirely on proving motive, which opens the possibility of groupies and protestors interfering with a trial.

Mission

• Offender has psychological issues
• Often holds a strong prejudice against a group and/or individual that is targeted and intends to use extreme violence to eliminate the perceived threat
• Motives include: a perceived higher order, desire for retaliation to restore injustice
• No distinguishable triggers
• The smallest number of hate crime incidents

https://rcmp.ca/en/corporate-information/publications-and-manuals/hate-crimes-and-incidents-canada

 

[justpeachy22]

I keep going back to his outburst in PA. When they asked him “did you do it?” That appeared to trigger him, make him furious. So furious that his reply was “that is an insult to me and the American people.” He “allegedly” knew he murdered someone, but yet was in total denial about his crime. I could interpret this as him saying … Me killing someone is not what this story is about. Jmo.

 

[Furore]

Apologies if some have linked this already but fascinating interview with LM friend in the UK Gurwinder who bonded over the matters political blog and had video calls lasting hours

In a nutshell…
“DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal the contents of dozens of private messages exchanged by the pair after Mangione, 26, took an interest in Bhogal's blog about politics. Bhogal also shared details of an hours-long video call with Mangione.”

Quite a a bit about inherited or trans generational trauma - does not sound like a great family relationship by this point tbh.

Some other interesting points, about LM being disillusioned with those around him and wanting to found a community on rationalism, stoicism, altruism. Some left wing views, some right. Never any discussion of violence.

Mangione's last message to me seemed a cry for help... I didn't reply

Gurwinder Bhogal fears that health insurance heavyweight Brian Thompson could still be alive today if he had not forgotten to respond to the Ivy League graduate's message.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Charlot123]

I keep going back to his outburst in PA. When they asked him “did you do it?” That appeared to trigger him, make him furious. So furious that his reply was “that is an insult to me and the American people.” He “allegedly” knew he murdered someone, but yet was in total denial about his crime. I could interpret this as him saying … Me killing someone is not what this story is about. Jmo.

I actually think it was brilliant. He shouted "it is the insult to the intelligence of American people and their life experience!"

People may not understand... He elevated the American people. He expressed compassion to their life experience.

I think it was spontaneous, but a very smart move.

 

[Arkay]

I actually think it was brilliant. He shouted "it is the insult to the intelligence of American people and their life experience!"

People may not understand... He elevated the American people. He expressed compassion to their life experience.

I think it was spontaneous, but a very smart move.

As an American, what insults my intelligence and my lived experience is that a cold-blooded murderer presumes to speak for me.

He does not.

My opinion and lived experience, which is longer than his.

 

[otto]

Apologies if some have linked this already but fascinating interview with LM friend in the UK Gurwinder who bonded over the matters political blog and had video calls lasting hours

In a nutshell…
“DailyMail.com can exclusively reveal the contents of dozens of private messages exchanged by the pair after Mangione, 26, took an interest in Bhogal's blog about politics. Bhogal also shared details of an hours-long video call with Mangione.”

Quite a a bit about inherited or trans generational trauma - does not sound like a great family relationship by this point tbh.

Some other interesting points, about LM being disillusioned with those around him and wanting to found a community on rationalism, stoicism, altruism. Some left wing views, some right. Never any discussion of violence.

Mangione's last message to me seemed a cry for help... I didn't reply

Gurwinder Bhogal fears that health insurance heavyweight Brian Thompson could still be alive today if he had not forgotten to respond to the Ivy League graduate's message.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I wondered whether Mangione bragged about generational wealth in a negative context. Generational wealth is nothing new, but it is more rare - especially inheritance in the millions. It sounds like Mangione did tell his inherited wealth story in the context of trauma.

I suppose he had to look really hard to find trauma, and finally came up with a story about which hand held the fork he used to eat steak. His family is blessed with wealth, longevity and intelligence, so criticizing that privileged upbringing allowed him to inversely brag about it.

Maybe he just wants to be a big shot. After a failed data clerk career at TrueCar Inc., maybe he decided that killing to restore his sense of justice would give him the attention he wants.

 

[Sundog]

As an American, what insults my intelligence and my lived experience is that a cold-blooded murderer presumes to speak for me.

He does not.

My opinion and lived experience, which is longer than his.

I was just about to type the exact same thing.

 

[Sundog]

It sounds like Mangione did tell his inherited wealth story in the context of trauma.

I suppose he had to look really hard to find trauma, and finally came up with a story about which hand held the fork he used to eat steak.

<RSBM>

Love this, Lol.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I wondered whether Mangione bragged about generational wealth in a negative context. Generational wealth is nothing new, but it is more rare - especially inheritance in the millions. It sounds like Mangione did tell his inherited wealth story in the context of trauma.

I suppose he had to look really hard to find trauma, and finally came up with a story about which hand held the fork he used to eat steak. His family is blessed with wealth, longevity and intelligence, so criticizing that privileged upbringing allowed him to inversely brag about it.

Maybe he just wants to be a big shot. After a failed data clerk career at TrueCar Inc., maybe he decided that killing to restore his sense of justice would give him the attention he wants.

"failed data clerk career at TrueCar"
That's a mischaracterization of his employment history IMO

 

[Charlot123]

I wondered whether Mangione bragged about generational wealth in a negative context. Generational wealth is nothing new, but it is more rare - especially inheritance in the millions. It sounds like Mangione did tell his inherited wealth story in the context of trauma.

I suppose he had to look really hard to find trauma, and finally came up with a story about which hand held the fork he used to eat steak. His family is blessed with wealth, longevity and intelligence, so criticizing that privileged upbringing allowed him to inversely brag about it.

Maybe he just wants to be a big shot. After a failed data clerk career at TrueCar Inc., maybe he decided that killing to restore his sense of justice would give him the attention he wants.

How would he view generational trauma? I understand that the proper term is intergenerational, and it indeed might be epigenetic. Holocaust victims and their descendants. Koreans. Cambodians. In my family, probably, the children of Gulag survivors. I can see it.

But can every US immigrant be viewed as having "traumatic experience"? Far from it - hard as immigration can be, there is a reason people leave their motherland. His grandfather was born in the US. I think Luigi's outlook is extreme.

 

[Chimera]

I wondered whether Mangione bragged about generational wealth in a negative context. Generational wealth is nothing new, but it is more rare - especially inheritance in the millions. It sounds like Mangione did tell his inherited wealth story in the context of trauma.

I suppose he had to look really hard to find trauma, and finally came up with a story about which hand held the fork he used to eat steak. His family is blessed with wealth, longevity and intelligence, so criticizing that privileged upbringing allowed him to inversely brag about it.

Maybe he just wants to be a big shot. After a failed data clerk career at TrueCar Inc., maybe he decided that killing to restore his sense of justice would give him the attention he wants.

Bbm.
Agreed.

If that's the worst that was, 'done to him' ... and he mostly seemed to reflect on it as his parent trying to fit him into societal norms, that was not trauma.
Wonder if LM will actually come up with any invented grievances from his past ?
Playing the blame game.
With everything we know so far, his family seems like they're decent people.
No one escapes with a completely idyllic childhood, but LM had more opportunities than most.
Imo.

 

[Arkay]

Arkay, but that's the thing. We need to listen to our children/grandchildren. Luigi is an early Zoomer. His parents are late boomer + early gen X, as I imagine. Huge gap. Maybe it explains something. I don't know what caused the chasm between him and parents, but I wonder where things could have turned different.

I understand your feeling is that this is generational. That is, of course, your right.

My opinion differs from yours.

I’m a boomer who was already a grandmother at the age of 47, as both my daughter and I married young and were young mothers.

One of my granddaughters is newly an adult and does not condone this, nor does my niece who is 28.

We all have different forms of health insurance, and while mine is the most comprehensive of all four living generations of my family, none of us believe LM either speaks or acted for us.

Where you see compassion, I see arrogance. How dare LM have the effrontery to think he speaks for me and for the rest of America?

Yes, he has his groupies. He still does not speak for me nor for anyone close to me.

We are also all born in NYC and take umbrage at his traveling here to do his dirty work.

JMO, with respect to yours.

 

[Chimera]

Luigi Mangione noticeably different in second appearance after arrest

Luigi Mangione got a haircut in prison before his second Pennslyvania court appearance on December 19.

www.newsweek.com

Mangione, 26, got a haircut Wednesday at the barbershop inside the State Correctional Institution at Huntingdon, Pennsylvania Department of Corrections Press Secretary Maria A. Bivens confirmed to Newsweek in an email.

Who cares about LM's haircut ?
Why is this even news.
I don't want to be too harsh on mainstream media, but at times it feels like they want to make a celebrity out of a criminal, regardless of how heinous the crime.

From the link -- photos of that perp walk --totally unnecessary.

Mangione then boarded a plane to Long Island, New York, and was taken to Manhattan in a New York Police Department helicopter. New York City Mayor Eric Adams was present to escort Luigi Mangione after his arrival via NYPD helicopter.

Does Eric Adams do this for other prisoners or is it a publicity stunt ?
Smh.
Omo.

 

[Friday Fan]

UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione's looks captivate TikTok users after perp walk

TikTok is swooning over Luigi Mangione, the accused killer of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, after his perp walk in New York City on Thursday.

www.yahoo.com

Social media users, primarily young women, are fawning over Luigi Mangione, the suspect accused of murdering UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson in Manhattan on Dec. 4 in what authorities described as a premeditated attack.

Want to bet they wouldn't be fawning over this homicidal maniac if he'd murdered one of their family members ?
Disgusting.

"Luigi Mangione allegedly conducted the careful, premeditated , and targeted execution of Brian Thompson to incite national debates," James Dennehy, assistant director in charge of the FBI's New York field office, said Thursday in a statement after Mangione's extradition to New York.
Rbm.

It's a good sign they're calling this premeditated.
If he's convicted of Brian's murder, lock LM up and throw away the key.
Forget about him.
Omo.

Don't want them swooning?

Stop the perp walks!! I assume there is a sally port! We don't have to see him!

 

[LinasK]

RSBM for focus...

Wow! Tough to hear.

But that's one of the reasons why charging him with terrorism could backfire. He has a lot of empathetic support. The audience's reaction was unsettling, but it reflects a growing undercurrent of societal resentment toward the health insurance industry and the idea that it's exploitative and indifferent to human suffering.

The real question is whether they were celebrating murder or supporting the idea of challenging perceived injustice. It's a fine line--and it's blurry.

So you weed them out in jury selection. Much of his support may die down by then when his supporters suddenly discover that he's not Robin Hood, he's wealthy and had zero connection to UHC or his victim, and that he gunned him down in the back like a coward.