NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #11 *Arrest*

[Chimera]

Luigi Mangione noticeably different in second appearance after arrest

Luigi Mangione got a haircut in prison before his second Pennslyvania court appearance on December 19.

www.newsweek.com

Mangione did not acknowledge the press while entering the Pennsylvania courthouse Thursday.

During his first court appearance on December 10, Mangione emerged from a patrol car and was roughly handled by police officers as he yelled something about an "insult to the intelligence of the American people."
Rbm.

It looked from his perp walk & outburst that LM yanked his body out of the cops' control and did it with enough force to bump into the wall.
Part of LE's job is to transport the prisoner safely from one location to another.
IMO -- I did not see any 'rough handling'.

The compassionate reporting of the media for this brutal murderer is astounding.

Thinking about the family of Brian and esp. his wife and kids and wonder how they are coping.
I hope there's extended family and friends to be with them over the holidays.
Imo.
Omo.

 

[LinasK]

I understand your feeling is that this is generational. That is, of course, your right.

My opinion differs from yours.

I’m a boomer who was already a grandmother at the age of 47, as both my daughter and I married young and were young mothers.

One of my granddaughters is newly an adult and does not condone this, nor does my niece who is 28.

We all have different forms of health insurance, and while mine is the most comprehensive of all four living generations of my family, none of us believe LM either speaks or acted for us.

Where you see compassion, I see arrogance. How dare LM have the effrontery to think he speaks for me and for the rest of America?

Yes, he has his groupies. He still does not speak for me nor for anyone close to me.

We are also all born in NYC and take umbrage at his traveling here to do his dirty work.

JMO, with respect to yours.

I'm a Boomer who is an older mother and I feel as you do.

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey everyone,

Please stay on topic. Thread is not about Warren Jeffs, FLDS, SNL, what generation A-Z WS members are.

(Sorry if some of you got the wrong reason for post removal, but it's one of the above ).

 

[CrimeDawg123]

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Thousands of engineers are laid off each year from US tech companies through no fault of their own - it's the nature of the business. To say that LM had a failed career when we don't know the nature of his job performance or separation is completely unfair. Not everyone jumps from university into their dream job even if, as you say, game development was his ultimate goal. LM failed at being a decent human being, true. But we really can't say with confidence that he failed at his career.

 

[LinasK]

Thousands of engineers are laid off each year from US tech companies through no fault of their own - it's the nature of the business. To say that LM had a failed career when we don't know the nature of his job performance or separation is completely unfair. Not everyone jumps from university into their dream job even if, as you say, game development was his ultimate goal. LM failed at being a decent human being, true. But we really can't say with confidence that he failed at his career.

He may have had the analytical skills to do his job, but I'm betting that he lacked the social skills/interpersonal skills necessary to keep it. I knew someone very similar in looks, personality, and age to him that went to school with my daughter. The only difference was nationality.

 

[Sillybilly]

Thinking about the family of Brian and esp. his wife and kids and wonder how they are coping.
I hope there's extended family and friends to be with them over the holidays.

<rsbm>

Thank you for that reminder Chimera !!

 

[Furore]

I say this completely with respect to differing opinion, but I think until we have more details, it isn’t possible to fully know what his childhood or parental relationship was like. I absolutely agree the case of the hand use for steak is odd and not exactly traumatic per se. JMO.

His family being wealthy and giving to hospitals and smiling in photos doesn’t mean there weren’t more fraught interactions - many people I know who went to private schools with wealthy parents actually didn’t have nurturing relationships with them.

None of the above would remotely be an excuse or justification for murder imho obviously, but there are still a few missing puzzle pieces for me at the moment - this guy’s life completely unravelled and I am interested to know why. No one is “born” a murderer. He does seem to have become a murderous zealot though! JMO

 

[Furore]

He may have had the analytical skills to do his job, but I'm betting that he lacked the social skills/interpersonal skills necessary to keep it. I knew someone very similar in looks, personality, and age to him that went to school with my daughter. The only difference was nationality.

Perhaps! Although again we don’t have more info - his twitter seems very arrogant and self centred but most acquaintances so far suggest he was well liked, could be charming and was polite and considerate.

Many times lay offs are just whole departments or the most recent hires or project related personnel when funding stops etc - it does sound like TrueCar closed one of their workplaces? I’m not sure how personal that was yet - maybe we will hear more JMO.

 

[slowpoke]

I wondered whether Mangione bragged about generational wealth in a negative context. Generational wealth is nothing new, but it is more rare - especially inheritance in the millions. It sounds like Mangione did tell his inherited wealth story in the context of trauma.

I suppose he had to look really hard to find trauma, and finally came up with a story about which hand held the fork he used to eat steak. His family is blessed with wealth, longevity and intelligence, so criticizing that privileged upbringing allowed him to inversely brag about it.

Maybe he just wants to be a big shot. After a failed data clerk career at TrueCar Inc., maybe he decided that killing to restore his sense of justice would give him the attention he wants.

I don’t think the story about how to cut and eat a steak at the young age of six wasn’t to show trauma. I think in the telling of it, he wanted to show how even at the young age of six, he was an independent thinker who would not accept his mother’s answer that it’s ‘just the way it’s supposed to be done’. To him, his way was more efficient, so it made no sense to him to change.

(jmo of what L’s thoughts were)

I think for us it also illustrates he has a high opinion of himself, and that he will defy conventions.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

Perhaps! Although again we don’t have more info - his twitter seems very arrogant and self centred but most acquaintances so far suggest he was well liked, could be charming and was polite and considerate.

Many times lay offs are just whole departments or the most recent hires or project related personnel when funding stops etc - it does sound like TrueCar closed one of their workplaces? I’m not sure how personal that was yet - maybe we will hear more JMO.

Exactly, we don't know. It seems from what we've seen he had a fairly wide circle of friends and in that sense it doesn't seem he lacked personal skills. People in tech aren't always the most socially adept and when you throw in remote work, people can be even further removed from their coworkers. But like you say, we just don't know what he was like in his job or exactly how it ended.

 

[LinasK]

Perhaps! Although again we don’t have more info - his twitter seems very arrogant and self centred but most acquaintances so far suggest he was well liked, could be charming and was polite and considerate.

Many times lay offs are just whole departments or the most recent hires or project related personnel when funding stops etc - it does sound like TrueCar closed one of their workplaces? I’m not sure how personal that was yet - maybe we will hear more JMO.

Charming can be a form of manipulation. The guy I knew thought he had me snowed. He told someone that.

 

[Jay392]

Luigi Mangione noticeably different in second appearance after arrest

Luigi Mangione got a haircut in prison before his second Pennslyvania court appearance on December 19.

www.newsweek.com

Mangione, 26, got a haircut Wednesday at the barbershop inside the State Correctional Institution at Huntingdon, Pennsylvania Department of Corrections Press Secretary Maria A. Bivens confirmed to Newsweek in an email.

Who cares about LM's haircut ?
Why is this even news.
I don't want to be too harsh on mainstream media, but at times it feels like they want to make a celebrity out of a criminal, regardless of how heinous the crime.

From the link -- photos of that perp walk --totally unnecessary.

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Mangione then boarded a plane to Long Island, New York, and was taken to Manhattan in a New York Police Department helicopter. New York City Mayor Eric Adams was present to escort Luigi Mangione after his arrival via NYPD helicopter.

Does Eric Adams do this for other prisoners or is it a publicity stunt ?
Smh.
Omo.

Jeez they had more cops around him than El Chapo did. Guess it's to show the scared CEOs that things are safe for then and to continue the nice political donations

 

[Furore]

Charming can be a form of manipulation. The guy I knew thought he had me snowed. He told someone that.

Definitely! I did get a bit of a chill when LM “manifesto” mentioned social engineering as it seemed such a calculated term. He did extensively plot the printing of a gun (why a silencer though?! Why that gun?), stalk and murder someone for political symbolism, he’s a very cold chap at times. MOO

 

[Chimera]

A little more about the transportation of LM :
(Federally-funded ... aka the taxpayer ? )

Exclusive | Suspected CEO killer Luigi Mangione was flown back to city on NYPD’s $4M spy plane

The souped-up Cessna took off again with the Ivy Leaguer inside around 10:49 a.m. and landed at the Central Islip airport at 12:08 p.m., records show.

nypost.com

Alleged CEO killer Luigi Mangione was flown back to the city from Pennsylvania in the department’s federally-funded spy plane.

The $4 million plane, specifically designed to hunt for radiological weapons, or “dirty bombs,” left Long Island MacArthur Airport at 8:51 a.m. on Dec. 19 and arrived in Blair County, Pa., at 10:24 a.m., records from Flight Aware show.
“It’s a show,” former NYPD Special Victims Division Chief Michael Osgood said, noting the trip would have taken about four hours in a car.
Rbm.
The above article seems to imply this was the NYPD's call to use the plane ?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/17/us/luigi-mangione-ceo-shooting?Date=20241217&Profile=CNN&utm_content=1734467078&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

In the weeks since Thompson’s killing, officials have seen a “shocking and appalling celebration of cold-blooded murder,” said NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tisch on Tuesday. “Social media has erupted with praise for this cowardly attack.”

At the end of the day and if LM is convicted of murder and sentenced ... the misplaced enthusiasm will fade.
But imo it's depressing that this "celebrating" is even happening at all.
Omo.

 

[acutename]

My feeling? He was probably immature and confused and in the right age group. Too many books at once, hard to process. Imagine: two years down the road, Luigi in a relationship. Starts talking about the unfairness, the parasites, etc. The partner yawns and says, OK, let’s have risotto for dinner, watch a movie, etc. By the morning, everything is forgotten and people are making plans for the week.

yes but he is too alienated for that- can't date because his back hurts (or maybe some other problems too)...wants to be famous. PO'd that Pythagoras already wrote out the Pythagorean theorem... wants to be special.... famous....have a cause.

 

[Friday Fan]

A little more about the transportation of LM :
(Federally-funded ... aka the taxpayer ? )

Exclusive | Suspected CEO killer Luigi Mangione was flown back to city on NYPD’s $4M spy plane

The souped-up Cessna took off again with the Ivy Leaguer inside around 10:49 a.m. and landed at the Central Islip airport at 12:08 p.m., records show.

nypost.com

Alleged CEO killer Luigi Mangione was flown back to the city from Pennsylvania in the department’s federally-funded spy plane.

The $4 million plane, specifically designed to hunt for radiological weapons, or “dirty bombs,” left Long Island MacArthur Airport at 8:51 a.m. on Dec. 19 and arrived in Blair County, Pa., at 10:24 a.m., records from Flight Aware show.
“It’s a show,” former NYPD Special Victims Division Chief Michael Osgood said, noting the trip would have taken about four hours in a car.
Rbm.
The above article seems to imply this was the NYPD's call to use the plane ?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/17/us/luigi-mangione-ceo-shooting?Date=20241217&Profile=CNN&utm_content=1734467078&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

In the weeks since Thompson’s killing, officials have seen a “shocking and appalling celebration of cold-blooded murder,” said NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tisch on Tuesday. “Social media has erupted with praise for this cowardly attack.”

At the end of the day and if LM is convicted of murder and sentenced ... the misplaced enthusiasm will fade.
But imo it's depressing that this "celebrating" is even happening at all.
Omo.

Well, it's more humble ride than a 747. So, there's that....

To be fair, they could have been followed in a vehicle, which could be dangerous for the transport team. I don't have a problem with the plane. Many prisoners are transported via Con Air. Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation System - Wikipedia

I do have a problem with the perp walk.

 

[acutename]

Slain UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson’s tenure was marked by rocketing profits—and myriad accusations of insider trading and coverage denial | Fortune

Following Thompson’s death, social media erupted with grievances about the health care giant and private insurers in the U.S.

fortune.com

"investigations have indicated that UnitedHealthcare may have made its coverage policies and procedures more stringent during Thompson’s tenure."
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".....UnitedHealthcare effectively culled or limited some therapy expenses using an algorithm, jeopardizing mental health coverage for many Americans... A Senate majority staff report released in October revealed that numerous insurers failed to cover the cost of care for older people who fell or had strokes. UnitedHealthcare in particular denied coverage for post-acute care, or services and support needed after a hospitalization.

In 2019, the insurance provider’s initial denial rate for post-acute care prior authorization requests was 8.7%; by 2022, it had increased to 22.7%." BBM

this is around Covid times too....

 

[Trino]

A little more about the transportation of LM :
(Federally-funded ... aka the taxpayer ? )

Exclusive | Suspected CEO killer Luigi Mangione was flown back to city on NYPD’s $4M spy plane

The souped-up Cessna took off again with the Ivy Leaguer inside around 10:49 a.m. and landed at the Central Islip airport at 12:08 p.m., records show.

nypost.com

Alleged CEO killer Luigi Mangione was flown back to the city from Pennsylvania in the department’s federally-funded spy plane.

The $4 million plane, specifically designed to hunt for radiological weapons, or “dirty bombs,” left Long Island MacArthur Airport at 8:51 a.m. on Dec. 19 and arrived in Blair County, Pa., at 10:24 a.m., records from Flight Aware show.
“It’s a show,” former NYPD Special Victims Division Chief Michael Osgood said, noting the trip would have taken about four hours in a car.
Rbm.
The above article seems to imply this was the NYPD's call to use the plane ?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/17/us/luigi-mangione-ceo-shooting?Date=20241217&Profile=CNN&utm_content=1734467078&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

In the weeks since Thompson’s killing, officials have seen a “shocking and appalling celebration of cold-blooded murder,” said NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tisch on Tuesday. “Social media has erupted with praise for this cowardly attack.”

At the end of the day and if LM is convicted of murder and sentenced ... the misplaced enthusiasm will fade.
But imo it's depressing that this "celebrating" is even happening at all.
Omo.

Wondering what his sentence will be. Rumors are CEOs got the DOJ involved, which is why the terrorism charge. I don't see it as terrorism, just planned murder.

 

[MassGuy]

Wondering what his sentence will be. Rumors are CEOs got the DOJ involved, which is why the terrorism charge. I don't see it as terrorism, just planned murder.

If that's true, which is very dubious, it had no bearing on the terrorism enhancer, which was a state charge.

 

[nightowl1975]

For clarification I would like to point out there is a huge difference between medical preauthorization requests and claims.

I don’t want to take this too off topic— but short version:

Claims are paid after an approved procedure or treatment has been completed. Providers are not going to submit claims for procedures where the preauthorization was denied. So of course it makes sense that number is 90%. Should be even higher, IMO!

The number that’s important, IMO, is how many preauthorization requests are denied? Wonder why they didn’t provide that information? Hmmm…. IMO.

Yes!!! Exactly this! And the fact that 10% of claims are denied DESPITE either not requiring a prior auth (uncommon with UHC) or DESPITE having a prior auth is insane to me.