NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #11 *Arrest*

[NuttMegg]

I like to ponder the mental conflicts LM must be experiencing at this point. The high from committing the murder is long gone. He wrote a document stating his beliefs and why this action supported those beliefs. He was willing to take action based on his passionate beliefs. But then he gets caught and is now in jail and facing trial and potentially years in prison. He has to plead not guilty.

As an intelligent person, how will he reconcile needing to avoid prison against the beliefs he was willing to murder for? I don't know if he would enjoy having his mental health brought into the argument as to why he should not go to prison. It seems the only avenue he has is to attribute all of this (the beliefs, the planning, the murder) to a warped mindset he developed due to physical pain and other factors. In that case, he can't be anyone's hero because he would be essentially denouncing the belief system, attributing it to a disturbed mind.

I wonder what he spends his days thinking about most at this point.

If he's really a loner after facing the Big Chill, he just might not care. The atty is going to be the biggest person in his life. To someone with no hope mentally, prison won't seem so bad. Look at what that 2nd prison consultant "Dr. Al" did with his 4 years in prison. Made himself into a professor of sorts.

Luigi shares my Chris Watts analysis, life in prison is not half as scary as having to make his own decisions on the outside.

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[Charlot123]

Can only speak for myself but I earn around 1/3 of that in UK equivalent, like him I am unmarried, rent an apartment in a decent area, I drive a fairly nice car, but also take 3 luxury holidays a year. He is very comfortably off on those earnings he had imho

It really depends on where you live.

California is the major IT hub. All prices reflect it. The same in Western WA, where I live. All costs reflect the IT sector salaries. Of course, everything else, renovation in the house, yardwork, is very expensive, too. A good handyman won't even drive to your house for less than $200.

Hawaii is crazy expensive for another reason. A tourist destination where everything has to be delivered by air. That automatically is 10-25% plus to the cost of all groceries.

Even restoring Lahaina after the fire is difficult for the same reason: shipment of building materials.

 

[otto]

Why the requirement for psychological issues in defining a hate crime? Are all racists psychologically challenged according to Canada?

That's a strange question!

The link states that "mission" based crime, where the motive is to restore injustice through violence, is associated with psychological issues. Please read the entire article to better understand the content.

Mission​

• Offender has psychological issues
• Often holds a strong prejudice against a group and/or individual that is targeted and intends to use extreme violence to eliminate the perceived threat
• Motives include: a perceived higher order, desire for retaliation to restore injustice
• No distinguishable triggers
• The smallest number of hate crime incidents

https://rcmp.ca/en/corporate-information/publications-and-manuals/hate-crimes-and-incidents-canada

 

[NuttMegg]

It really depends on where you live.

California is the major IT hub. All prices reflect it. The same in Western WA, where I live. All costs reflect the IT sector salaries. Of course, everything else, renovation in the house, yardwork, is very expensive, too. A good handyman won't even drive to your house for less than $200.

Hawaii is crazy expensive for another reason. A tourist destination where everything has to be delivered by air. That automatically is 10-25% plus to
the cost of all groceries.

Even restoring Lahaina after the fire is difficult for the same reason: shipment of

Minus rent, food, electricity, work travel & clothes, tv, health care, car gas, for many: student loans

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[girlhasnoname]

Well, $ 200 a year is inexpensive, but boy, you don’t need to follow Gurwinder to be introduced to stoicism, lol.

This is what I think. LM probably went through a lot of STEM classes and when he started reading “normal” books, it was too much too soon and in too lonely a life. People usually introduce themselves to reading and they can start from forward to backward, or vice versa, but he was just too lonely to process it. He always stayed alone, that is what I see as a problem. Any sober view on the issues discussed would have helped him, even totally opposite.

RBBM

I'm not sure if we know if LM was too lonely or always stayed alone at this point. LM seemed to have a large circle of friends to varying degrees, and it's ultimately his own decision to be engaged socially or not.

jmo

 

[girlhasnoname]

The job he was doing with TrueCar pays around $200k a year plus he will have got a pay off package too, not short of money himself

Mix of 1 and 2

$200K/yr in SF is peanuts really considering the COL and LM may or may not received a severance package depending on the conditions of his separation from the company. He wasn't employed by them for a long time.

I would guess it's a combo of #2 and #3. We agree on #2 .

jmo

 

[Charlot123]

BBM. MOO, but when I was reading through his Reddit posts (should I say alleged? The media has confirmed it’s his Reddit, but I know Reddit isn’t generally an approved source..), I thought the same thing. He mentions brain fog, Lyme, insomnia, IBS, SIBO, anxiety, RLS, visual snow, not to mention his back problems.

Definitely a touch of neuroses.

I thought, frustration and lack of steady partnership. Brain fog, insomnia, Lyme is for naive people who subscribe to the theory that everyone on East Coast has to have Lyme, IBS, visual snow, add to it constant headaches.
I honestly think it is the consequence of being raised in all-boys school and then, struggling to achieve academically. He was probably social, but naive. I think any “not so gifted”, but down-to-earth partner would have pushed all these ideas out of his head in a month.

 

[Charlot123]

RBBM

I'm not sure if we know if LM was too lonely or always stayed alone at this point. LM seemed to have a large circle of friends to varying degrees, and it's ultimately his own decision to be engaged socially or not.

jmo

That’s what I am trying to understand. He should have made steady friends at all stages of life, but several times I have seen people not answering him.
And where is BFF? We all have them.

 

[Charlot123]

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Does he have tics?

 

[citygirl]

Does he have tics?

If so, I’m not seeing them. MOO.

 

[girlhasnoname]

That’s what I am trying to understand. He should have made steady friends at all stages of life, but several times I have seen people not answering him.
And where is BFF? We all have them.

What I've seen and read has been the opposite. LM was sociable, but withdrew from his friendships. He even failed to stay in contact with a good friend that he was supposed to be in his wedding party.

LM stopped answering people, including his family. Maybe he wasn't emotionally able or stable enough to have close, long term relationships? IDK

moo

 

[LinasK]

Ugh...what a spectacle...

I get shade of the "Preppy Murder", the Menendez Brothers (Even though found guilty, they're in the news again) and OJ all rolled into one.

But it's just "that look". And the sweaters. I've seen numerous trials where high-power defense attorneys put defendants in sweaters. It seems to work. It makes them look "soft". Expect to see lots of sweaters.

And now the trial might be filmed? Ugh....The media will dub it, the "trial of the century"

I disagree because of the gang member's trial whose jury I was almost selected for. A lavender plaid sweater didn't soften him at all! He just looked like a gang member in a lavender sweater- a ridiculous look for him when he had a glare on his face, and I think a teardrop tattoo. I checked the media weeks later- they convicted him without me.

 

[Charlot123]

I have a feeling this is probably the correct theory. It would be interesting to know whether he participated in any other activist-type events.

He was born with a silver spoon but leans toward socialism. I have to wonder if he was willing to lose his freedom to make his statement. He certainly made a very public statement.

I disagree that he leans towards socialism. Socialism is an economic system and AFAIK, LM had poor understanding of economy. Socialism (which I believe is mostly utopia, or a poorly thought of concept) implies state control of economy. I never heard LM saying anything along that vein; I’d define him as probably leaning towards libertarianism. If that.

 

[Moonchild90]

Does he have tics?

Just anxious here (that deep breath), lack of sleep too, JMO

 

[Charlot123]

Some people from privileged backgrounds experience a sense of guilt for having more than others. Some feel obligated to make use of their financial resources by donating and working to help others. Noblesse oblige. JMO, because I don't know, but it seems he may not have had easy access to his family wealth, but decided to act in other ways to help others. Unfortunately, he read Ted Kazynski's manifesto and followed the wrong solution. It would have been great if he could have founded a non-profit to pass Medicare for All legislation or something. That, in itself, is a daunting approach as pharma and insurance companies spend tons of money trying to run those kind of non-profits out of business.

You are very right, @Betty P

I think that he felt guilty, especially when he first saw the other world (I suspect he grew up in a “sheltered” background.)

I don’t know how Kaczynski started, he was a genius after all, but he ended up mentally falling apart and disorganized. His Manifesto is a bad start for self-education.

 

[Moonchild90]

Grinning Luigi Mangione yuks it up in court as he enters plea in execution of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson

A grinning Luigi Mangione appeared to yuk it up in a Manhattan courtroom Monday as he entered a plea in the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

nypost.com

The look of * Your ordinary (alleged) murderer *!

 

[Baby baby Jane]

Does he have tics?

I was seeing exactly the same! His head movement very similar to what I’ve seen in friend who is masking /controling a neck tic.

 

[Betty P]

You are very right, @Betty P

I think that he felt guilty, especially when he first saw the other world (I suspect he grew up in a “sheltered” background.)

I don’t know how Kaczynski started, he was a genius after all, but he ended up mentally falling apart and disorganized. His Manifesto is a bad start for self-education.

To his credit, IIRC, Luigi noted that he disagreed with nearly all of Kaczynski's views and acknowledged he was mentally ill. I don't put Luigi and Ted in the same category at all, but I really wish he hadn't read that manifesto.

 

[acutename]

Mangione's next state court date is February 21.

Also, during his time in court today, LM apparently conferred with his attorney and a PRISON CONSULTANT who works with defendants on confinement issues. Maybe to get the civilian clothes for today's hearing, etc. Interesting addition to the defense team. LM has his own prison consultant. I guess he can afford it.

Mangione pleaded not guilty to all charges during the short hearing, in which he conferred with defense lawyer Karen Agnifilo and prison consultant Craig Rothfeld, who works with defendants on confinement issues.

Mangione appeared to be fully engaged with his defense team on Monday as they signed various papers pertaining to the defendant's current federal incarceration at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn.

Luigi Mangione pleads not guilty to N.Y. state charges in killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO

The Ivy League-educated suspect is accused of gunning down UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on a midtown Manhattan sidewalk.

www.nbcnews.com

Large caps for emphasis by me

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[citygirl]

The job he was doing with TrueCar pays around $200k a year plus he will have got a pay off package too, not short of money himself

Mix of 1 and 2

Yikes! I thought this was kinda a low level job for someone from Penn with his credentials.
MOO.