NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #11 *Arrest*

[stanerd]

Luigi Mangione's emotional reaction to his fawning fans... and how he's 'sharing the love' in prison

From the article:

"A source close to Mangione said he is 'extremely aware of the massive fan base he has right now.' He was 'shocked and really choked up' when he first saw the support he has received, which 'gave him confidence and reassurance that he will be okay.'"

Isn't that just great that LM is enjoying all of the support that he's been getting and that he is confident that he will be "okay"? Brian Thompson laid on a cold sidewalk in the dark, dying and probably in a lot of pain while waiting to be picked up by an ambulance. He wasn't pronounced dead until he reached the hospital. He was not "okay," his children are not "okay," and I'm sick of seeing this piece of garbage glorified like he's some kind of hero. His children are experiencing Christmas for the first time without their dad, and they'll never be able to see or speak to their dad again because of this piece of garbage. LM deserves the chair and should be forgotten like the cowardly killer that he is.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

this is weird. It is a plain colored sweater- how do they know its exact origin? Reminds me of the fashion folk following M. Obama, Amal Clooney, etc.

DBM, likely off topic.

 

[AdaArroway]

I don't know if this has been mentioned publicly but did they find a vehicle when they arrested LM?
Public transportation from New York to Altoona is not very straightfoward, there are a lot of different buses to take if you want to go there on purpose. It's just a very random location. It makes more sense if LM had a vehicle and was just travelling west (Altoona is by the I-80, route New York to San Francisco, last known residence). Very convenient by car, not so convenient by public transportation.
It also makes sense as a way to store the rest of his belongings, even extreme minimalists would struggle to live out a small backpack for weeks or weeks or months.
My hunch is that he was living in his car (van?), at least until the day of the arrest.
I wonder if it has been mentioned somewhere that they seized a vehicle by the McDonalds. Or maybe it's still there?

 

[MassGuy]

I don't know if this has been mentioned publicly but did they find a vehicle when they arrested LM?
Public transportation from New York to Altoona is not very straightfoward, there are a lot of different buses to take if you want to go there on purpose. It's just a very random location. It makes more sense if LM had a vehicle and was just travelling west (Altoona is by the I-80, route New York to San Francisco, last known residence). Very convenient by car, not so convenient by public transportation.
It also makes sense as a way to store the rest of his belongings, even extreme minimalists would struggle to live out a small backpack for weeks or weeks or months.
My hunch is that he was living in his car (van?), at least until the day of the arrest.
I wonder if it has been mentioned somewhere that they seized a vehicle by the McDonalds. Or maybe it's still there?

We've heard nothing about a vehicle, nor have we heard anything about where he had actually been living prior to this.

I tend to think he wasn't living out of a car though, as he had allegedly tried to check into a motel the same morning he was captured at Mcdonalds.

So many unanswered questions here, and we're likely going to have to wait a long time for answers.

 

[AdaArroway]

We've heard nothing about a vehicle, nor have we heard anything about where he had actually been living prior to this.

I tend to think he wasn't living out of a car though, as he had allegedly tried to check into a motel the same morning he was captured at Mcdonalds.

So many unanswered questions here, and we're likely going to have to wait a long time for answers.

If he didn't have a vehicle I'm really shocked at the extreme minimalist skills of LM. Traveling for weeks/months with just a single backpack that carries a laptop, 3D printed gun, (winter) clothes for weeks, a second/third winter coat (we see 2 or 3 different coats in CCTV)... If I'm not mistaken, he never stopped by the hostel where he was staying at, so all his belongings seem to fit in a backpack that was inside the small Peak Design backpack that he abandoned. That's impressive.

 

[MassGuy]

If he didn't have a vehicle I'm really shocked at the extreme minimalist skills of LM. Traveling for weeks/months with just a single backpack that carries a laptop, 3D printed gun, (winter) clothes for weeks, a second/third winter coat (we see 2 or 3 different coats in CCTV)... If I'm not mistaken, he never stopped by the hostel where he was staying at, so all his belongings seem to fit in a backpack that was inside the small Peak Design backpack that he abandoned. That's impressive.

We know he was into that minimalist thing from his Reddit posts, which does explain the lack of belongings during that 10 day period in New York.

I've got to believe he had some sort of home base in the lead up to that though, as he had to print that gun somewhere.

So I want to know where he was staying during the period of months he went off the grid, where he was in the weeks leading up to the crime, and where he stayed during the days after the murder while he was (apparently) in Pennsylvania.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

If he didn't have a vehicle I'm really shocked at the extreme minimalist skills of LM. Traveling for weeks/months with just a single backpack that carries a laptop, 3D printed gun, (winter) clothes for weeks, a second/third winter coat (we see 2 or 3 different coats in CCTV)... If I'm not mistaken, he never stopped by the hostel where he was staying at, so all his belongings seem to fit in a backpack that was inside the small Peak Design backpack that he abandoned. That's impressive.

His (alleged?) Reddit account goes in depth about lightweight backpacking. It actually makes a lot of sense! MOO

 

[lydiafaithfull]

Luigi Mangione's emotional reaction to his fawning fans... and how he's 'sharing the love' in prison

From the article:

"A source close to Mangione said he is 'extremely aware of the massive fan base he has right now.' He was 'shocked and really choked up' when he first saw the support he has received, which 'gave him confidence and reassurance that he will be okay.'"

Isn't that just great that LM is enjoying all of the support that he's been getting and that he is confident that he will be "okay"? Brian Thompson laid on a cold sidewalk in the dark, dying and probably in a lot of pain while waiting to be picked up by an ambulance. He wasn't pronounced dead until he reached the hospital. He was not "okay," his children are not "okay," and I'm sick of seeing this piece of garbage glorified like he's some kind of hero. His children are experiencing Christmas for the first time without their dad, and they'll never be able to see or speak to their dad again because of this piece of garbage. LM deserves the chair and should be forgotten like the cowardly killer that he is.

There’s no honor in fleeing after shooting a man in the back. Brian Thompson was certainly no Abraham Lincoln, but Luigi Mangione does have the hypocritical air of a John Wilkes Booth. Fancies himself Robin Hood like Assange or Snowden, even when it means accepting refuge from those intent on harming the underdog they claim to serve. The privilege and ego on all of these people is just ghastly.

 

[Angelcat13]

the Mayor is an ex-cop so he likes to be involved in LE activities and beyond that, he wants the world's CEOs to feel safe in NYC, IMO.

Sorry, but he (the mayor) should stay in the background at this point and allow LE to do their job. His being a part of this ridiculous “perp walk” appears to be nothing other than that of a grandstanding egomaniac.

 

[Parsnip]

If he didn't have a vehicle I'm really shocked at the extreme minimalist skills of LM. Traveling for weeks/months with just a single backpack that carries a laptop, 3D printed gun, (winter) clothes for weeks, a second/third winter coat (we see 2 or 3 different coats in CCTV)... If I'm not mistaken, he never stopped by the hostel where he was staying at, so all his belongings seem to fit in a backpack that was inside the small Peak Design backpack that he abandoned. That's impressive.

He might well have had some cubby holes, like post office boxes or train or bus stations lockers where he stashed/received mail/goods. Moo.

ETA: this would not be unlike the strategies AT backpackers and others use to communicate and/or store and receive materials. Imo.

 

[Angelcat13]

Exclusive | Insurance industry leaned on DOJ to take Luigi Mangione case as deterrent against copycat killers: sources

Health insurance industry leaders leaned on the US Department of Justice to prosecute accused UnitedHealthcare CEO assassin Luigi Mangione.

nypost.com

“Sources told The Post that the federal charges came amid pressure from health insurance industry leaders to make an example out of Mangione, though it was unclear which specific entities petitioned the DOJ.”

If the DOJ did, in fact, listen to pressure applied by the health insurance industry leaders to more aggressively charge LM, this will only add to the public’s negative impression of the industry as being elitist and fueling the “us vs them” feelings of anger.

 

[acutename]

I don't know if this has been mentioned publicly but did they find a vehicle when they arrested LM?
Public transportation from New York to Altoona is not very straightfoward, there are a lot of different buses to take if you want to go there on purpose. It's just a very random location. It makes more sense if LM had a vehicle and was just travelling west (Altoona is by the I-80, route New York to San Francisco, last known residence). Very convenient by car, not so convenient by public transportation.
It also makes sense as a way to store the rest of his belongings, even extreme minimalists would struggle to live out a small backpack for weeks or weeks or months.
My hunch is that he was living in his car (van?), at least until the day of the arrest.
I wonder if it has been mentioned somewhere that they seized a vehicle by the McDonalds. Or maybe it's still there?

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[Charlot123]

We know he was into that minimalist thing from his Reddit posts, which does explain the lack of belongings during that 10 day period in New York.

I've got to believe he had some sort of home base in the lead up to that though, as he had to print that gun somewhere.

So I want to know where he was staying during the period of months he went off the grid, where he was in the weeks leading up to the crime, and where he stayed during the days after the murder while he was (apparently) in Pennsylvania.

I am slightly confused. Some mention "printed" gun, some, "a ghost one". I think these are different things?

My observation, unrelated to guns: 3-d printing is easy to learn, age is not relevant. Whole industries depend on it. There may be some problem in the areas where "waxes" have to be transformed into metal casts, as metal slightly "shrinks" during the process, but i don't think it is a problem with "printed" guns.

But many mentioned that LM's gun was "ghost"? It doesn't require a printer.

 

[MassGuy]

I am slightly confused. Some mention "printed" gun, some, "a ghost one". I think these are different things?

My observation, unrelated to guns: 3-d printing is easy to learn, age is not relevant. Whole industries depend on it. There may be some problem in the areas where "waxes" have to be transformed into metal casts, as metal slightly "shrinks" during the process, but i don't think it is a problem with "printed" guns.

But many mentioned that LM's gun was "ghost"? It doesn't require a printer.

A "ghost gun" is a gun that is not serialized. This means that it cannot be tracked via any database.

Typically, people purchase kits online, and assemble these guns themselves.

Another way to obtain a ghost gun is to 3D print the lower portion yourself, and then purchase the metal components (which are not serialized and easy to obtain).

LM did the latter. He 3D printed part of it, as well as the silencer. It's simply a matter of downloading a file online, and letting the machine do the work.

How a CEO's murder offers a dark glimpse into the anonymous world of 3D-printed guns

The Glock-style pistol found with Luigi Mangione that was allegedly used to gun down health care CEO Brian Thompson began as lines of computer code.

www.usatoday.com

 

[MassGuy]

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I don't think he was even that passionate about this stuff. From what we've heard, he had a wide variety of views about all sorts of different social and economic matters.

I think for some reason, he became completely fixated on big corporations, finally settling on the health insurance industry. It's like during those months he went off the grid, he somehow became self radicalized. He was angry in general, felt inadequate, and wanted to show how smart he was; he wanted to be relevant.

He just didn't want to work for it.

Had it not been the health insurance industry, I firmly believe he would have gone after something else that he saw as being detrimental to society.

It's like the guy who tried to kill Trump in Pennsylvania. Had he been successful, we would have seen a similar reaction from a segment of the population; that guy would have become a martyr for the cause.

Yet that guy spent months searching for a target, to include Biden. Once he heard that Trump was going to be nearby, that's who he settled on.

LM settled too.

 

[Angelcat13]

I don't think he was even that passionate about this stuff. From what we've heard, he had a wide variety of views about all sorts of different social and economic matters.

I think for some reason, he became completely fixated on big corporations, finally settling on the health insurance industry. It's like during those months he went off the grid, he somehow became self radicalized. He was angry in general, felt inadequate, and wanted to show how smart he was; he wanted to be relevant.

He just didn't want to work for it.

Had it not been the health insurance industry, I firmly believe he would have gone after something else that he saw as being detrimental to society.

It's like the guy who tried to kill Trump in Pennsylvania. Had he been successful, we would have seen a similar reaction from a segment of the population; that guy would have become a martyr for the cause.

Yet that guy spent months searching for a target, to include Biden. Once he heard that Trump was going to be nearby, that's who he settled on.

LM settled too.

I have had the same thought - that BT, UHC and healthcare, in general, were the EXCUSE - not a passionate belief.

 

[MassGuy]

Ex-prosecutor points to Luigi Mangione's "only real defen...

Former Assistant U.S. Attorney Nick Akerman said that "there's no question about his liability here."

www.newsweek.com

Luigi Mangione's "only real defense" would be to plead insanity or to say he has some kind of mental defect, former Assistant U.S. Attorney Nick Akerman said.

"I think the only real defense that you can possibly have here is some kind of insanity or mental defect defense," Ackerman, who served as a Watergate prosecutor, told CNN on Tuesday. The legal analyst's assessment came after he said that "there's no question about his liability here."

Ackerman told CNN: "They've got him coming into New York. They've got almost every step he took, including the actual murder, on tape. There's no way he gets out from under the fact that he can't claim innocence based on the facts."

Neama Rahmani, co-founder of West Coast Trial Lawyers and a former federal prosecutor, previously told Newsweek: "Insanity may be his only defense because it's a very hard case to defend on the merits and argue he wasn't the killer. DNA, fingerprint and ballistics evidence puts him at or near the scene. The video appears to be him, and his manifesto explains his motive. The plotting and premeditation undercut the potential insanity argument, however."

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

One of the very basic principles at Websleuths is that we do NOT blame the victim or make them responsible for their murder. That's akin to saying because a woman wore a revealing outfit, she deserved to be killed.

Don't do it !! Thanks.

 

[Arkay]

To me this is now simple.

LM unilaterally decided to give the death penalty to Brian Thompson.

He did this allegedly because BT was such a bad guy, denying people insurance, and that may well be true.

But Brian did not get what Luigi will get.

Luigi is going to have a trial, with prominent lawyers to defend him, and a jury to decide if he is innocent or guilty.

Brian didn’t have the chance to explain or defend his actions, or to amend his ways if he was responsible for so much suffering.

LM could have pursued his objective through other means, but IMO those other means had no interest for him. I believe the appeal to him was to do something flashy, something momentous, something that would make the country gasp.

I don’t at this point particularly believe he was invested in health care injustice at all.

IMO, if LM were consumed by fury at BT being the CEO, he could have SO MUCH MORE EASILY killed him in Minnesota.

But that would have been a one or two day story. Insufficiently ego-boosting for LM. If a CEO falls in Minnesota, it doesn’t make the sound it would make in midtown Manhattan. Sorry but it’s true.

IMO

 

[GRT]

If the DOJ did, in fact, listen to pressure applied by the health insurance industry leaders to more aggressively charge LM, this will only add to the public’s negative impression of the industry as being elitist and fueling the “us vs them” feelings of anger.

That's for sure.

But I am kind of wondering if the terrorism charge will be dropped. It would be tough to prove since LM's writings indicate his act was one of revenge for specific (and personal) reasons.

JMOO

He clearly hates the health insurance industry, but I'm getting the distinct impression that he thought BT "deserved to die" because of who he was--rather than killing to force an industry to change its ways.

I think LM is a little too privileged and egotistical to have taken action for any reason other than himself.