NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #11 *Arrest*

[Jw192]

It's all very well stating all those things about how he was top of the class, was brilliant at everything and came from a good family and suchlike. That doesn't mean, however, that he hasn't been an evil, narcissistic raging psychopath his whole life. The two are completely unconnected and the statement "something changed" is pure speculation.

Even his own mother is reputed to have said it's something I could see him doing . That might be untrue, of course.

It's been reported that the "it's something I could see him doing" was in reference to staying in hostels... That's if she even said anything of the sort.

 

[Sundog]

It's been reported that the "it's something I could see him doing" was in reference to staying in hostels... That's if she even said anything of the sort.

Do you have a link for that reporting?

 

[Jw192]

That's the issue, what he wants to do.

I know you're not saying he's innocent, but anyone arguing against his guilt is the type of person I'd lose all respect for. If you cant' figure this one out, then your brain ain't right.

I'm convinced she has a single goal; to mitigate any punishment and get her client out of prison before he's an old man. She can't win, because that just doesn't happen with these facts. A victory to her is seeing a 60 year old Luigi Mangione a free man.

I could live with that, but I don't think she has any chance.

This was all for nothing with a mental health defense, so she needs to get him on board with that. God knows if he'll do that.

The mental health defense is a no go and I think we all know that. Unless of course there is a lot that we aren't privvy to. Some families tend to hide mental illness histories away because of a variety of reasons, though I don't believe LM suffers with a mental disease or illness which will reach a NGRI defense.

I do personally believe that he's guilty of the shooting, the act of murder, and I have all kinds of electric thoughts flying round in my head in anticipation of learning more about this humans brain, it's development socially (it's a curse of my occupation) however, I would be a liar if I said here that I'm sure it's gonna be an easy win for justice as I truly believe it won't be. They've gone and weaved a tangled mess with the elitist charges, which btw I told my colleagues on the day the shooting broke, mentioning the shells, that they're probably gonna try the terrorism route here for murder 1 and will be gutted they can't use the DP... I thought it was a farce then BEFORE we had the arrest and very few details we had, and I think it's a farce now. Murder 2 + weapons charges is the rightful justice imo. I believe LM is the guy who pulled the trigger but I respectfully don't at present believe that they have enough to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury made up from a population where it certainly seems like a majority simply shrugged their shoulders when they found out BT was a CEO of UHC and if you look around online you will find there are people all over NY, the states and every corner of the world who are praising this lad as some second coming of Robin Hood! It only takes one juror, one. Both in the state trial and the federal one. One juror and this shiz drags out even longer. So yah I believe that LM for his own reasons committed this (bog standard) murder, orchestrated to an extent his own capture whilst having a gift wrapped bag of evidential items that he WANTED them to have, but I don't believe that the charges are just and I don't believe at present that they are gonna have an easy ride convicting him on anything other than murder 2 and weapons, but with all the circus even that is on shaky ground.
I may very well change my mind at trial when we see exactly what evidence they do have and how compelling it is, as ofc I know that they hold stuff back, but at this minute from what we do know, I think that there's a lot of misinformation flying around as gospel regarding DNA and fingerprints etc... when in reality we have no clue yet what they actually have.

So yah that's my stance and I understand that I may be alone in that stance on this forum, which is very pro prosecution, something I usually am also, so it's my first time going against the grain here so go easy on me hah

MOO

 

[LinasK]

The mental health defense is a no go and I think we all know that. Unless of course there is a lot that we aren't privvy to. Some families tend to hide mental illness histories away because of a variety of reasons, though I don't believe LM suffers with a mental disease or illness which will reach a NGRI defense.

I do personally believe that he's guilty of the shooting, the act of murder, and I have all kinds of electric thoughts flying round in my head in anticipation of learning more about this humans brain, it's development socially (it's a curse of my occupation) however, I would be a liar if I said here that I'm sure it's gonna be an easy win for justice as I truly believe it won't be. They've gone and weaved a tangled mess with the elitist charges, which btw I told my colleagues on the day the shooting broke, mentioning the shells, that they're probably gonna try the terrorism route here for murder 1 and will be gutted they can't use the DP... I thought it was a farce then BEFORE we had the arrest and very few details we had, and I think it's a farce now. Murder 2 + weapons charges is the rightful justice imo. I believe LM is the guy who pulled the trigger but I respectfully don't at present believe that they have enough to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury made up from a population where it certainly seems like a majority simply shrugged their shoulders when they found out BT was a CEO of UHC and if you look around online you will find there are people all over NY, the states and every corner of the world who are praising this lad as some second coming of Robin Hood! It only takes one juror, one. Both in the state trial and the federal one. One juror and this shiz drags out even longer. So yah I believe that LM for his own reasons committed this (bog standard) murder, orchestrated to an extent his own capture whilst having a gift wrapped bag of evidential items that he WANTED them to have, but I don't believe that the charges are just and I don't believe at present that they are gonna have an easy ride convicting him on anything other than murder 2 and weapons, but with all the circus even that is on shaky ground.
I may very well change my mind at trial when we see exactly what evidence they do have and how compelling it is, as ofc I know that they hold stuff back, but at this minute from what we do know, I think that there's a lot of misinformation flying around as gospel regarding DNA and fingerprints etc... when in reality we have no clue yet what they actually have.

So yah that's my stance and I understand that I may be alone in that stance on this forum, which is very pro prosecution, something I usually am also, so it's my first time going against the grain here so go easy on me hah

MOO

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the "circus" atmosphere surrounding this case will die down by the time it reaches trial.

 

[Jw192]

Do you have a link for that reporting?

I'm trying to find it now, I know I clicked the link from X. It stated along the lines of when shown the photograph of the hostel surveillance (the smile pic) she didn't confirm that it was LM but stated that "it was something I could see him doing" and it was likely in reference to him being in a hostel... Take it as you will as nothing concrete has been confirmed from an official source what she said or what answers were given to what questions.

I'll keep hunting, though I won't know if it's approved to post office not

 

[Jw192]

I fail to see how it helps. His lawyer believes in him. So what? It's what defense attorneys are paid to do.

Maybe ask all the lawyers, companies and figures all over the world who have done it for centuries.

 

[Jw192]

Ppl are drastically misreading how the general public feels, imo. Young and old

This! I too think that some people aren't seeing what a weird wave this has made and how it it turning tidal as the days go along. I live in the north of England and travel to the south and I've seen dozens of flags and graffiti art (on buildings!) relating to this! Sure it's not those people who will be on the jury, but it's spread so far and wide and it's nothing that's ever been seen before... Probably the reason they're calling it terrorism tbh, can't be having anybody start to question the money machines -_-
But yah, anybody who says that a huge percentage of the entire plugged in population aren't looking at LM like he's some righteous martyr have their heads in the ground.

Respectfully MOO

 

[LinasK]

Maybe ask all the lawyers, companies and figures all over the world who have done it for centuries.

I'm talking specifically about the "unity" with their client message. Didn't work for Scott Peterson, nor many others.

 

[Jw192]

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the "circus" atmosphere surrounding this case will die down by the time it reaches trial.

Considering the circus I'm talking about was put together by LE and the mayor of NY, namely -
The telling of the world what was written on the casings.
The NY PD simping over the shooter footage on MSM.
The telling the world there was monopoly money in the bag found.
The crazy amount of photos PA LE released when they apprehended LM, the mugshots, the booking pics.
The LE releasing the 'letter to the feds' which they call a "manifesto"
The blooming Hannibal Lecter superman'esque ridiculous helicopter perp walk.
The elitist charges and the mayor admitting that in no other words he wanted to square up to LM personally and show him who's boss, hindering a persons lawful right of innocent until proven guilty.
The long and slow arraignment catwalk show...

LE created that circus and please please show me another example of any case that's got the palava mentioned above? When have we had LE release information that the general public really didn't need to know (the casing words)monopoly) when have we had so called "terrorist manifestos" released to the public straight away in its entirety?! I've followed thousands and thousands of cases historical and modern, as I'm sure so many here on WS have and I've never seen anything like it and the public's reaction to all of this would be somewhat lesser had none of the above happened!
So yah, I struggle to have your faith that the circus will die down as the very people that we trust to put people's human rights first are the self same ones who are wearing the clown shoes.

MOO

 

[Jw192]

I'm talking specifically about the "unity" with their client message. Didn't work for Scott Peterson, nor many others.

I don't think anything would have worked for that man hah

 

[Arkay]

So yah I believe that LM for his own reasons committed this (bog standard) murder

If this were a “bog standard” murder, none of us would have heard of this case.
Not even here in NYC.

It’s because it’s so idiosyncratic that it’s gained so much attention.

You’ve mentioned earlier that you’re in the North of England and that you’ve gone to the south and seen graffiti etc. praising Luigi.

I believe you 100%, as you are there and I am not. I’m curious though as to why LM would be heroic to a population with socialized medicine?

Just due to the notion of little guy vs. the giant corporations? Otherwise I can’t grasp why those in England would consider this one of the causes to support, when it’s a non-issue to people with cradle-to-grave coverage (other than the wait times).

JMO and curiosity.

 

[citygirl]

Yes, I have those on my sidebar.

Today it's a bit tempered today by "2024 celebrity deaths" and "tornado/severe weather", "storm chasers"

A few days it ago, it had a bunch of LM stuff.
I wasn't all that actively watching videos about the case.
I think that's what concerned me a bit.

It’s definitely died down, as it should.
MOO

 

[citygirl]

It's been reported that the "it's something I could see him doing" was in reference to staying in hostels... That's if she even said anything of the sort.

Thanks for this reminder. I always doubted his mother said otherwise.
IMO it never crossed her mind

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Thanks for this reminder. I always doubted his mother said otherwise.
IMO it never crossed her mind

IIUC it appears some earlier reporting was that LM mother’s statement is attributed to a reference relating to the crime of murder - for which her son has now been charged. See attached online reference. MOO

Reference USA Today December 17, 2024 online article by Josh Meyer entitled ‘Luigi Mangione's mother said she could 'see him doing' shooting of insurance CEO: police - The dramatic disclosure came at a news conference announcing Mangione's indictment in the shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson”

Luigi Mangione's mother said she could 'see him doing' shooting of insurance CEO: police

The dramatic disclosure came at a news conference announcing Mangione's indictment in the shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Jw192]

IIUC it appears some earlier reporting was that LM mother’s statement is attributed to a reference relating to the crime of murder - for which her son has now been charged. See attached online reference. MOO

Reference USA Today December 17, 2024 online article by Josh Meyer entitled ‘Luigi Mangione's mother said she could 'see him doing' shooting of insurance CEO: police - The dramatic disclosure came at a news conference announcing Mangione's indictment in the shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson”

Luigi Mangione's mother said she could 'see him doing' shooting of insurance CEO: police

The dramatic disclosure came at a news conference announcing Mangione's indictment in the shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.usatoday.com

Yah I've seen that too but nothing concrete from officials as to the conversation and what answers were to what questions. I'm still looking for that damn link, I've found people referring to it from other MSM sources which simply state were in reference to being shown the hostel picture, none state the question she was answering clearly. Ofc media love to sensationalise things and get the headlines so unless LE officials release the answers, it's hard to know for sure. Hopefully we find out more at trial though as it could very well give us more information on LM's family dynamic.

 

[stanerd]

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the "circus" atmosphere surrounding this case will die down by the time it reaches trial.

It already has died down. There will probably be little blips in media coverage from now until trial when LM attends different hearings and he's photographed wearing different outfits.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

Yah I've seen that too but nothing concrete from officials as to the conversation and what answers were to what questions. I'm still looking for that damn link, I've found people referring to it from other MSM sources which simply state were in reference to being shown the hostel picture, none state the question she was answering clearly. Ofc media love to sensationalise things and get the headlines so unless LE officials release the answers, it's hard to know for sure. Hopefully we find out more at trial though as it could very well give us more information on LM's family dynamic.

Thank you, and respectfully IMO this case may have a long time to go before trial. And unfortunately reporting in the interim, or incorrect details and inaccuracies complicate trying to understand. MOO

 

[Arkay]

(I'm not gonna say father as that makes zero odds, is his life worth more and his death more sad because he's a father? I don't agree)

Responding just to your parenthetical clause—-IMO it’s not that his life, per se, is worth “more” than someone without children. It is definitely true though that the collateral damage is far greater.

I know his kids are 16 and 19, not toddlers or babies. They still have had their only dad violently taken away from them. When someone with children is murdered, IMO the ramifications are exponentially worse.

<modsnip>

I deplore that. I also can still deplore the street murder of a man. With children.

JMO

 

[Jw192]

Responding just to your parenthetical clause—-IMO it’s not that his life, per se, is worth “more” than someone without children. It is definitely true though that the collateral damage is far greater.

I know his kids are 16 and 19, not toddlers or babies. They still have had their only dad violently taken away from them. When someone with children is murdered, IMO the ramifications are exponentially worse.

<modsnip>

I deplore that. I also can still deplore the street murder of a man. With children.

JMO

Oh yah I get that completely, I just hate the thought of some guy who hasn't got kids would possibly read this thread and think that his life would be worth any less or be less tragic just because he's not a father. To put it more personally, BT was a man, a son, brother, father, (ex) husband and a friend and it's horrendous that despite his job, he isn't alive anymore, it's a horrific loss to his entire family and anybody that loved him, kids n all.

 

[Jw192]

It already has died down. There will probably be little blips in media coverage from now until trial when LM attends different hearings and he's photographed wearing different outfits.

If only everyone got their "news" from MSM, now it's every amateur journalist on YouTube, people on X, Facebook (so many oldies on there), Reddit etc... not to mention damn tiktok ha

It will take a long while for it to die down fully I believe, there's always gonna be some regurgitated coverage for clicks, even in "normal" cases there is, and it all depends on how long we wait for trial, if LM requests a speedy trial etc...

Hopefully we find out more I'm Jan and Feb