NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #12 *Arrest*

[Sunshynn]

Interesting. I wonder if LM's back injury occured in Hawaii (if he has one which I believe he does due to the xray posted previously on his FB). Perhaps because he was living in Hawaii he was covered under United Health care.
In that case wouldn't this be more of a personal vendetta rather than an altruistic one? JMO

UHC confirmed that neither LM or his parents were ever covered by them.

Suspect in CEO's killing wasn't insured by UnitedHealthcare, company says

Luigi Mangione is suspected of shooting UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on a Manhattan street on the morning of Dec. 4, authorities have said.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[GRT]

Interesting. I wonder if LM's back injury occured in Hawaii (if he has one which I believe he does due to the xray posted previously on his FB). Perhaps because he was living in Hawaii he was covered under United Health care.
In that case wouldn't this be more of a personal vendetta rather than an altruistic one? JMO

I think it's a personal vendetta. Not so much against UHC but against the health insurance industry as a whole.

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Interesting. I wonder if LM's back injury occured in Hawaii (if he has one which I believe he does due to the xray posted previously on his FB). Perhaps because he was living in Hawaii he was covered under United Health care.
In that case wouldn't this be more of a personal vendetta rather than an altruistic one? JMO

BBM. In his alleged Reddit, he states that he always had pain when standing for too long, even in childhood, but that it got worse the older he got, and that the surfing/slipping on paper situation was the biggest factor and caused him to pursue surgery. It’s believed he had a Pars Fracture aka Spondylolysis (Spondylolysis (Pars Stress Fracture of the Spine) | HSS) which often happens in childhood and can be completely unnoticeable (all the way up to debilitating).

Interestingly that article mentions that soccer can be a cause, and I’ve seen that a fellow student reported he played soccer, and ran either cross country or track and field. (Source: Suspect in C.E.O. Killing Withdrew From a Life of Privilege and Promise)

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I think it's a personal vendetta. Not so much against UHC but against the health insurance industry as a whole.

I agree, and not even only the healthcare industry. I think he hates all monopolies. He mentioned in the manifesto or notebook that a healthcare target would check most of his boxes. Maybe he thought he’d have less public sympathy if he went after, say, a banking or real estate executive. All MOO.

 

[NuttMegg]

Just curious if we ever pinned this down to msm source:

1) that "depose" came only from LM's substitution via sharpie on bullet cases. Ie it wasn't used earlier that we know of

2) is there an accepted source declaring who or what entity lit a fire under the DOJ to push a federal case with terrorism and possible death sentence?

Jooc

 

[kuromiiiilove]

A more detailed poll came out regarding Americans sentiments on LM: Most Americans blame insurance profits and denials alongside the killer in UHC CEO death, poll finds

“In the survey from NORC at the University of Chicago, about 8 in 10 U.S. adults said the person who committed the killing has “a great deal” or “a moderate amount” of responsibility for the Dec. 4 shooting of Brian Thompson”

“About 7 in 10 adults say that denials for health care coverage by insurance companies, or the profits made by health insurance companies, also bear at least “a moderate amount” of responsibility for Thompson’s death. Younger Americans are particularly likely to see the murder as the result of a confluence of forces rather than just one person's action.”

So basically the sentiment we’ve been hearing from a lot of people: “he was wrong, but I understand why it happened.” It seems like this is less of people feeling like LM personally was justified, more like “with the way things are this was bound to happen eventually”. I personally believe this will be reflected in a jury trial, even if people can theoretically empathize, they still understand that if he is guilty, he’s a murderer who needs to go away for a long time. (MOO)

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Just curious if we ever pinned this down to msm source:

1) that "depose" came only from LM's substitution via sharpie on bullet cases. Ie it wasn't used earlier that we know of

2) is there an accepted source declaring who or what entity lit a fire under the DOJ to push a federal case with terrorism and possible death sentence?

Jooc

Not sure about point 1. For point 2, an unnamed source reported it, and did not specify which executives were involved. It’s one of those things where I wouldn’t be surprised, but currently with no source or details, I’d take it with a grain of salt.

 

[detective.moon]

Just curious if we ever pinned this down to msm source:

1) that "depose" came only from LM's substitution via sharpie on bullet cases. Ie it wasn't used earlier that we know of

2) is there an accepted source declaring who or what entity lit a fire under the DOJ to push a federal case with terrorism and possible death sentence?

Jooc

1) it wasn’t used earlier that i’m aware of
2) the NY post said “health insurance leaders” pressured DOJ, but they are the only source saying this so far (so who knows if there’s any truth to it or completely made up)

 

[NuttMegg]

A more detailed poll came out regarding Americans sentiments on LM: Most Americans blame insurance profits and denials alongside the killer in UHC CEO death, poll finds

“In the survey from NORC at the University of Chicago, about 8 in 10 U.S. adults said the person who committed the killing has “a great deal” or “a moderate amount” of responsibility for the Dec. 4 shooting of Brian Thompson”

“About 7 in 10 adults say that denials for health care coverage by insurance companies, or the profits made by health insurance companies, also bear at least “a moderate amount” of responsibility for Thompson’s death. Younger Americans are particularly likely to see the murder as the result of a confluence of forces rather than just one person's action.”

So basically the sentiment we’ve been hearing from a lot of people: “he was wrong, but I understand why it happened.” It seems like this is less of people feeling like LM personally was justified, more like “with the way things are this was bound to happen eventually”. I personally believe this will be reflected in a jury trial, even if people can theoretically empathize, they still understand that if he is guilty, he’s a murderer who needs to go away for a long time. (MOO)

Imo depends on what he is charged with. If it's 2nd deg I have no problems with whatever he's sentenced with, assuming it's within the norms of other 2nd deg sentencing in NYC. We monitor far worse crimes here on WS every day. Imo

However if he's singled out to face a charge no one else ever faces, ie kangaroo court then I root for nullification or at least hung jury.

 

[NuttMegg]

Not sure about point 1. For point 2, an unnamed source reported it, and did not specify which executives were involved. It’s one of those things where I wouldn’t be surprised, but currently with no source or details, I’d take it with a grain of salt.

Thanks, that's where I am on it too. Keeping my powder dry until there is a msm leak.

 

[NuttMegg]

1) it wasn’t used earlier that i’m aware of
2) the NY post said “health insurance leaders” pressured DOJ, but they are the only source saying this so far (so who knows if there’s any truth to it or completely made up)

Thanks. Hard to tell who those "leaders" are from that vague reporting.

 

[MassGuy]

Claims that judge overseeing Mangione’s case is married to former Pfizer executive are missing context

A judge who is married to a former Pfizer executive is overseeing Mangione’s federal pretrial hearings. But she won’t oversee his criminal trial.

www.wusa9.com

Basically, it's true that she is married to a former Pfizer exec, but she is only handling this pretrial stuff (bail, etc).

 

[kuromiiiilove]

However if he's singled out to face a charge no one else ever faces, ie kangaroo court then I root for nullification or at least hung jury.

SBM - I absolutely agree with you. Overcharging to set an example is wrong in any scenario, and there’s nothing (in my opinion) exceptional that justifies it for this case. You can murder someone in a targeted attack without it being terrorism. But I’m pretty sure that was already talked to death in thread #10 lol

 

[NuttMegg]

SBM - I absolutely agree with you. Overcharging to set an example is wrong in any scenario, and there’s nothing (in my opinion) exceptional that justifies it for this case. You can murder someone in a targeted attack without it being terrorism. But I’m pretty sure that was already talked to death in thread #10 lol

Yeah. Already discussed. But in my own mind that's my summary. Bt is not more important than Bella Watts, the Todt kids, the many grisly executions of others like Suzanne Morphew, not yet even given justice. Whole families murdered, desecrated because some guy wants to get it on with someone new or wants all the family money even if it came from her relatives. These crimes could readily be seen as terrorism towards families, Mommies, babies. How many women have to watch their backs now.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

During his first public words since his arrest in Pennsylvania, Mangione emerged from a patrol car shouting about an 'insult to the intelligence of the American people' while sheriff´s deputies pushed him into a courthouse

UnitedHealthcare's secret boast after CEO's assassination

Andrew Witty, who is CEO of parent group UnitedHealth, is said to have made the boast to his fellow bosses during a recent meeting, the Wall Street Journal reported.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[imstilla.grandma]

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/cb910ec413ebe6c9/b4aa3510-full.pdf

Luigi Mangione retains Harvey Weinstein’s prison consultant Craig Rothfeld

Mangione is accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on Dec. 4, but has pleaded not guilty, and Rothfeld was reportedly at his hearing.

pagesix.com

 

[NuttMegg]

During his first public words since his arrest in Pennsylvania, Mangione emerged from a patrol car shouting about an 'insult to the intelligence of the American people' while sheriff´s deputies pushed him into a courthouse

UnitedHealthcare's secret boast after CEO's assassination

Andrew Witty, who is CEO of parent group UnitedHealth, is said to have made the boast to his fellow bosses during a recent meeting, the Wall Street Journal reported.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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[citygirl]

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/documenttools/cb910ec413ebe6c9/b4aa3510-full.pdf

Luigi Mangione retains Harvey Weinstein’s prison consultant Craig Rothfeld

Mangione is accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on Dec. 4, but has pleaded not guilty, and Rothfeld was reportedly at his hearing.

pagesix.com

Oh my word. Cha Ching Cha Ching.
MOO.

 

[citygirl]

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WOW!

 

[Friday Fan]

he’s using an address in Towsen here, i wonder if it’s his family’s address and he didn’t have his own place to live at the moment he was arrested

eta: it seems like the house on this address was sold in june of this year, but he might not have been aware of that if he hasn’t been in contact with his family

That is interesting and informative. It points to that he likely "dropped off" completely.