NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #12 *Arrest*

[mrC]

as far as i can see he is just a man who ate breakfast in the wrong place

 

[jesse]

And yet Brian's death has accomplished nothing for healthcare reform, so his death was needless. That's NOT how you effect social change. Mangione just wanted the glory and infamy for doing so, just like Chapman and Cunnanan.

I don't think he wanted glory and infamy at all.

As far as affecting change, I'm not sure how you measure that.

 

[justtrish]

The defense attorney is doing what he’s hired to do, but it does appear Altoona, PA police did make some mistakes. I don’t understand why they didn’t read him his rights sooner. I’m guessing this wasn’t the typical arrest scenario for them.

For sure!

I recall people being supportive of this loser. Some calling him a hero, people saying they would not turn him in, people saying the victim deserved to die, and so on. Some even swooning over this killer like he was some gift to women everywhere. I can see why the police didn't tell him they thought he was the killer.

IMO

 

[mrC]

seeing as the ictem was denying people emergency health coverage that they had paid for while defrauding the taxpayer at the same time i can well i understand people saying that

 

[detective.moon]

i’m actually not quite sure yet what i think about LM’s motivations (assuming he did it - i personally do think so, but it’s still allegedly of course). i’m curious what we will learn during the trial, and if i’ll be pushed more in two one of the “camps”.

for now i do think that yes, he was guided by his ego but i also (maybe naively) think he did want to make a positive change, even if that was driven by his ego and he lost sight of the humanity of the victim and how others would be victimised too. jmo.

 

[LinasK]

seeing as the ictem was denying people emergency health coverage that they had paid for while defrauding the taxpayer at the same time i can well i understand people saying that

He wasn't the one personally denying them- his company was, and that's still no reason for murder!!!

 

[LinasK]

i’m actually not quite sure yet what i think about LM’s motivations (assuming he did it - i personally do think so, but it’s still allegedly of course). i’m curious what we will learn during the trial, and if i’ll be pushed more in two one of the “camps”.

for now i do think that yes, he was guided by his ego but i also (maybe naively) think he did want to make a positive change, even if that was driven by his ego and he lost sight of the humanity of the victim and how others would be victimised too. jmo.

How is murdering a CEO going to effect change??? It didn't. All UHC did was to get another CEO to replace him. Senseless murder.

 

[detective.moon]

How is murdering a CEO going to effect change??? It didn't. All UHC did was to get another CEO to replace him. Senseless murder.

well, there can of course be a difference between the motive and the outcome! the intent can be to making a positive change and the outcome can be a murder and very little change. you can debate ofcourse if intent even mattere in a situation like that. personally i do find it interesting to know and want to understand it better.

you could say it ignited a conversation, for what it’s worth, and i think there were some attempts by politicians to make changes.. but i do agree that overall not much has changed for patients

 

[girlhasnoname]

<snipped for focus>

Not if you're a coward, he wouldn't.

And that's exactly what Mangione is.

Agree, it was all fun and games until he was arrested and realized his days of traipsing the world posting happy, smiling, shirtless selfies were gone. As were the nice clothes, meals, lodging and other material items he was accustomed to.

Locked in a cell 10 x 12 isn't fun for Luigi anymore. He'd like to go home now please, he's had enough of this pretend altruism and he'd like to be free to do as he pleases again without penalty or retribution. He was just doing this for the little people...because SOMEBODY had to do it.

Sit down and be quiet Luigi, those days are gone. You accomplished nothing.

JMO

 

[LinasK]

I don't think he wanted glory and infamy at all.

As far as affecting change, I'm not sure how you measure that.

Has UHC or any health insurer changed one single policy or denial based on Brian's death??? No. No laws have been changed because of it either, and neither is there a national debate on the topic.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Has UHC or any health insurer changed one single policy or denial based on Brian's death??? No. No laws have been changed because of it either, and neither is there a national debate on the topic.

Not that I'm aware of except they did raise my premium by over $200 per month.

 

[LinasK]

Not that I'm aware of except they did raise my premium by over $200 per month.

And that's only going to get worse unfortunately because of the bill Congress passed...

 

[girlhasnoname]

How is murdering a CEO going to effect change??? It didn't. All UHC did was to get another CEO to replace him. Senseless murder.

They probably had another CEO sitting in that chair before Brian was even laid to rest. There will always be another one, and another.

JMO

 

[ilovewings]

Agree, it was all fun and games until he was arrested and realized his days of traipsing the world posting happy, smiling, shirtless selfies were gone. As were the nice clothes, meals, lodging and other material items he was accustomed to.

Locked in a cell 10 x 12 isn't fun for Luigi anymore. He'd like to go home now please, he's had enough of this pretend altruism and he'd like to be free to do as he pleases again without penalty or retribution. He was just doing this for the little people...because SOMEBODY had to do it.

Sit down and be quiet Luigi, those days are gone. You accomplished nothing.

JMO

And his murder was cowardly, following his victim and shooting him in the back--
Couldnt look his victim in the eye and actually confront him

 

[justtrish]

seeing as the ictem was denying people emergency health coverage that they had paid for while defrauding the taxpayer at the same time i can well i understand people saying that

As I've said before it's all fine until the victim is someone you love, and the killer has found something wrong with their job or an idea they hold. We don't go around murdering people in this country because we don't like the company they work for or decisions they make. If everyone who had an issue with someone else's line of work or business decisions could just murder someone in cold blood, then this country would be no more.

 

[Trebor5591]

Slightly O/T:
When I saw the female suspect walking through my town, who I thaught had stolen my wallet days before in a supermarket, I called police. I gave a description of the woman and where to find her probably: in a drugstore, which I saw her heading towards.
At the same time I had an appointment at my bank because of the theft, so I wasn't present myself at the drugstore. But later I saw, that the police car was still staying in front of the shop, when I passed. LE had only my description and my suspicion; they indeed went there to look for the suspect. Like they said to me during the call before, they planned to ask the person for her ID at least. Unfortunately, I don't know, what they did in addition perhaps. (As later became known, the thief of my wallet is a man and not a woman.)

This is of course GER and maybe not comparable, Idk.

So sorry you had to experience the theft of your wallet!

 

[Trebor5591]

For sure!

I recall people being supportive of this loser. Some calling him a hero, people saying they would not turn him in, people saying the victim deserved to die, and so on. Some even swooning over this killer like he was some gift to women everywhere. I can see why the police didn't tell him they thought he was the killer.

IMO

That support you refer to is going to make it difficult to find a NYC jury that will convict him. I see many "hung juries" in the future, IMO.

 

[Betty P]

And yet Brian's death has accomplished nothing for healthcare reform, so his death was needless. That's NOT how you effect social change. Mangione just wanted the glory and infamy for doing so, just like Chapman and Cunnanan.

I agree, killing and violence are no way to promote social change, regardless of which side you’re on.

 

[jesse]

Has UHC or any health insurer changed one single policy or denial based on Brian's death??? No. No laws have been changed because of it either, and neither is there a national debate on the topic.

Has UHC or any health insurer changed one single policy or denial based on Brian's death??? No. No laws have been changed because of it either, and neither is there a national debate on the topic.

I believe they actually did, right after the event. I'll have to look it up, but does anyone else remember that?

Regardless, it's not about everything changing all at once, but raising consciousness. Not saying I defend it, just explaining the thinking.

 

[jesse]

As I've said before it's all fine until the victim is someone you love, and the killer has found something wrong with their job or an idea they hold. We don't go around murdering people in this country because we don't like the company they work for or decisions they make. If everyone who had an issue with someone else's line of work or business decisions could just murder someone in cold blood, then this country would be no more.

I'm not sure I agree at all. There are plenty of murders, they're just not people the system or administration value.