NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #12 *Arrest*

[nhmemorymaker]

*This writer claims to have had contact with him for months

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=602315508970081

Mangione said he was on holiday in Japan, and I asked him about it. He said that while he loved many aspects of Japanese culture, such as its sense of honor, he believed Japan was full of “NPCs,” or non-player characters—which is internet slang for people who don’t think for themselves. He then told me a story he’d first mentioned in an email: One morning in Japan, he saw a man having a seizure in the street, so he ran to the nearest police station for help. They followed him back to the man, but refused to cross any street if the stoplight was red—even if the road was empty—as the man was seizing on the ground. Mangione lamented what he called “a lack of free will” in Japan, by which he meant a lack of agency. More:

My Conversations with Luigi Mangione

He told me that once we surrendered our agency, we’d surrender everything else.

www.thefp.com

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I know we had the Gurwinder blog posted earlier... I did wonder if it ever got deleted. ??? I actually did appreciate it very much. And even read another Gurwinder blog. I was not aware of the concept of NPCs, so learned more about the internet slang.

 

[Furore]

From the snippets we have of friends and contacts it certainly seems LM was becoming marginalised and vulnerable to radicalisation - be it passive absorption of online views and material - or active, which we may or may not hear further about at trial.

Thinking of BT loved ones starting a year without him, must be painful, and all for what?


MOO but is possible to hold both opinions simultaneously, that the murder of BT was unacceptable and abhorrent, with no place in a just society, whilst being critical of the health insurance industry in general. I don’t think that lessens BT’s value as a human being, which is innate and precious.

 

[sunspun]

I feel he came to an impasse when he started to fail. Even though a layoff, why was he in the 20% let go?

I thought it was known that he was one of the employees who worked in the office location that the company was shutting down permanently, which was why he was in the 20% who were laid off. I assumed all of those who worked in his location were laid off, but I don't know if that's a fact or not. Then also, it seems that if the company thought there were at least some valuable or distinctive employees in the office they were shutting down that they might have simply transferred them to one of their other locations that wasn't faced with layoffs, rather than laying them off along with the rest. Maybe they did do that. Maybe LM hadn't made himself known as a particularly special employee by the time of the layoffs, so off he went with everyone else.

 

[DizzyB]

I thought it was known that he was one of the employees who worked in the office location that the company was shutting down permanently, which was why he was in the 20% who were laid off. I assumed all of those who worked in his location were laid off, but I don't know if that's a fact or not. Then also, it seems that if the company thought there were at least some valuable or distinctive employees in the office they were shutting down that they might have simply transferred them to one of their other locations that wasn't faced with layoffs, rather than laying them off along with the rest. Maybe they did do that. Maybe LM hadn't made himself known as a particularly special employee by the time of the layoffs, so off he went with everyone else.

Especially if it was remote work. He went into an office setting only because he chose to, and paid for that out of his own pocket, correct? People moved all over the country when we were WFH.

I was just reading about a local business that is unable to reopen after a flood, when their Insurer denied coverage. There were a bunch of comments saying that they needed Luigi to come in and straighten out the insurance companies. Insurance companies are the new entity to hate. Until the next thing comes along.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I thought it was known that he was one of the employees who worked in the office location that the company was shutting down permanently, which was why he was in the 20% who were laid off. I assumed all of those who worked in his location were laid off, but I don't know if that's a fact or not. Then also, it seems that if the company thought there were at least some valuable or distinctive employees in the office they were shutting down that they might have simply transferred them to one of their other locations that wasn't faced with layoffs, rather than laying them off along with the rest. Maybe they did do that. Maybe LM hadn't made himself known as a particularly special employee by the time of the layoffs, so off he went with everyone else.

That is understandable, but do we know it as fact...his being in a separate location??? If you have a specific link about his actual work location that would be helpful. I remember nothing on this.
Was he living in San Francisco? That would have him on location at headquarters. His mother thought he was living in sf. Or was he remote in Hawaii?
I know we had a quote that indicates he was bored. That could lead to perceived lack of performance.

 

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[Marantz4250b]

Will it be enough for a successful defense? I'm leaning toward a conviction, but the photo of the gun that was found on LM does not look like the gun the shooter was using. He could have printed more than one gun, I suppose.

The one piece of video evidence showing the gun is too indistinct to definitely verify it against the one the police have issued pictures of. And even those were pretty crappy.

It's easy to say what it isn't, though; it 100% is not the B&T Station Six/VP90 or whatever the talking heads at the start were claiming it was. That is true from the video evidence of him manipulating it.

I have only seen one brief picture of the moderator (silencer) issued by the police. It's in the bottom half of the picture of the gun and seems to have been cropped off by most media outlets. The full pic was shown briefly in a YouTube video I watched (by Brandon Herrera, I think) so it's definitely out there.

I am pretty sure that the cops have their ducks in a row on this one and that the gun they have is the gun used to shoot BT.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Pic with the moderator is here.

I'm not sure what to make of it; it looks a bit rough and indistinct but, imo as someone who deals with this sort of stuff daily, it appears that it might be wrapped in a fabric/plastic heat protector. On the right-hand side you can see a more shiny area which looks possibly metallic to me. Looks very like the actual moderator peeping out from it's shroud, imo. So, possibly......just possibly, this is a commercially made item. That would be exceedingly unlikely in the USA, though, as these are all Federally registered and we'd definitely know by now if one had gone missing from its owner or was bought by LM.

I'll try to dig one out I have round here and post a pic to show what I mean.

Edit:

 

[detective.moon]

it does feel like people have moved on, and the news cycle has moved on. which makes sense of course, without new updates and with new crazy things happening

in the meantime the first luigi documentary already came out - made by NY post, i imagine it’s not covering much that we don’t already know

'New York Post Presents: Luigi Mangione Monster Or Martyr?' doc investigates the life of UnitedHealthCare murder suspect

The new documentary is now streaming on Tubi.

decider.com

 

[Marantz4250b]

So, the New York Post actually has a much better picture

Looks very like (almost certainly) an adhesive tape wrap as on the bottom mod in my pic in my post above.

Another little detail which demonstrates just how much planning and preparation he's put into this!

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Video of a crowd showing support for Luigi Mangione, the suspect charged with the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, outside his jail has gone viral on social media.

In the clip, people can be seen ringing bells and banging The Home Depot buckets, while a placard reading "FREE THEM ALL" lays on the ground. About 20 people can be seen outside Brooklyn's Metropolitan Detention Center, New York City's only federal jail.

"So moving to see people actually being out there and going out to support Luigi!" wrote @kingkashed, the TikTok account which posted the video online on Thursday

The account also posted another video of Mangione that went viral on December 11. It shows Mangione lifting his arm up and down in front of a robot. The account user wrote, "newly resurfaced video of a young luigi mangione training robots." The video accumulated more than 2.1 million views

Luigi Mangione has groupies outside jail

Mangione faces state and federal charges over the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.newsweek.com

 

[kuromiiiilove]

Video of a crowd showing support for Luigi Mangione, the suspect charged with the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, outside his jail has gone viral on social media.

In the clip, people can be seen ringing bells and banging The Home Depot buckets, while a placard reading "FREE THEM ALL" lays on the ground. About 20 people can be seen outside Brooklyn's Metropolitan Detention Center, New York City's only federal jail.

"So moving to see people actually being out there and going out to support Luigi!" wrote @kingkashed, the TikTok account which posted the video online on Thursday

The account also posted another video of Mangione that went viral on December 11. It shows Mangione lifting his arm up and down in front of a robot. The account user wrote, "newly resurfaced video of a young luigi mangione training robots." The video accumulated more than 2.1 million views

Luigi Mangione has groupies outside jail

Mangione faces state and federal charges over the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.newsweek.com

Is the cell flicking the lights him? I thought there were no windows in solitary?

 

[girlhasnoname]

Video of a crowd showing support for Luigi Mangione, the suspect charged with the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, outside his jail has gone viral on social media.

In the clip, people can be seen ringing bells and banging The Home Depot buckets, while a placard reading "FREE THEM ALL" lays on the ground. About 20 people can be seen outside Brooklyn's Metropolitan Detention Center, New York City's only federal jail.

"So moving to see people actually being out there and going out to support Luigi!" wrote @kingkashed, the TikTok account which posted the video online on Thursday

The account also posted another video of Mangione that went viral on December 11. It shows Mangione lifting his arm up and down in front of a robot. The account user wrote, "newly resurfaced video of a young luigi mangione training robots." The video accumulated more than 2.1 million views

Luigi Mangione has groupies outside jail

Mangione faces state and federal charges over the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.newsweek.com

20 TikTokers filming themselves in a convenient little protest for clicks and likes on social media. No real large, legitimate crowd of supporters for LM.

He's slid down the radar already with the 2 attacks in New Orleans and Las Vegas. The public has the attention span of a gnat.

JMO

 

[stanerd]

20 TikTokers filming themselves in a convenient little protest for clicks and likes on social media. No real large, legitimate crowd of supporters for LM.

He's slid down the radar already with the 2 attacks in New Orleans and Las Vegas. The public has the attention span of a gnat.

JMO

Agreed. He'll be mostly forgotten about until the trial which will probably get quite a bit of media attention. If he accepts a plea deal, it will probably just be covered for a day or two in the news and that will be it. LM will be sent to rot in prison and life will go on.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Is the cell flicking the lights him? I thought there were no windows in solitary?

I won't give the Tiktoker a click so I can't answer. I think they just posted a video of THEMSELVES protesting, does it show that LM could see them? The other video of LM is from his working days in 2021 it said IIRC.

MOO

EBM: Wrong date

 

[girlhasnoname]

Agreed. He'll be mostly forgotten about until the trial which will probably get quite a bit of media attention. If he accepts a plea deal, it will probably just be covered for a day or two in the news and that will be it. LM will be sent to rot in prison and life will go on.

I'm good with all that. Enough of all of the attention being paid to the perpetrators and more on the innocent victims who died by their hands.

JMO

 

[kuromiiiilove]

I won't give the Tiktoker a click so I can't answer. I think they just posted a video of THEMSELVES protesting, does it show that LM could see them? The other video of LM is from his working days in 2021 it said IIRC.

MOO

EBM: Wrong date

In the video (I have TT and unfortunately it was already on my recommended feed), they pan over the people there to ‘show support’ but then show MDC. There’s a lot of rooms with lights on, but only one is flicking the lights on and off. My main question was that I read that in MDC, solitary has no windows… maybe some random guy in there thinks they’re his fans/friends and had his day made, lol

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"He was generally optimistic. He didn't really, he didn't seem like he was much of a doomer. He seemed like he was actually quite — He did have a somewhat pessimistic worldview, but he also was very interested in actually, in action, he wanted to change things so he wasn't somebody who just was resigned you know to his fate or anything like that."

"I just remember him saying that the US Healthcare System was expensive and he said that I was lucky to be in Britain because we've got a National Health Service. I remember replying to him that the NHS isn't actually all that great because we have long waiting lists, because when healthcare is free at the point of use, everybody wants to use it, which means there's less health care for everybody."

"The impression that I got of Luigi sort of made it hard for me to believe that he had written that manifesto. I'm not saying he didn't, but it just seems like—If he did write it, then maybe there was something going on in his brain, maybe he was in extreme pain, maybe he was mentally ill," the writer said.

"It's low quality. It's just the words themselves are low quality, but also, it's only 262 words, and I thought that if he was going to do something like this, he would have spent a lot more time writing something substantial," he said

Luigi Mangione was "optimistic," writer who spoke with alleged killer says

Gurwinder Bhogal spoke about his conversations with the suspected UnitedHealthcare CEO shooter in a new interview.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Mrspratcher]

"Prison consultant" LOL
Anything to make a buck. It's more lucrative than a typical job for ex-cons such as dish washing or general labor, so who can blame him?

Also, the "prison consultant" did time as a white collar criminal. Violent criminals such as murderers are usually housed in different prisons with tighter security, so I wonder how useful his advice will be.

First hand knowledge

 

[GRT]

Is the cell flicking the lights him? I thought there were no windows in solitary?

I could be wrong, but I don't think "solitary" applies to jails--only prisons. He may be in a cell by himself, however. In our local jail, some cells have windows but they're high up on the walls (my daughter works in LE), and others are located on the inner part of the facility and have no windows at all.