NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #12 *Arrest*

[Friday Fan]

I wonder how they found all of this out?

 

[Trino]

But the worst part of it, of course, is that two young men just growing into adulthood have lost their father and his parenting in their young lives. Also, BT's wife - even though they lived separately and a block or so way from each other at the time of BT's death - has lost her life partner and childhood sweetheart.

Sounds like you know his relationship with his wife, legally separated since 2018?

 

[MassGuy]

TMZ Special:

Two acquaintances in Thailand:

He went to the shooting range before he went to the beach with them, said it was expensive.

Bought 400 copies of a book (I think digital Amazon ones) to help support the author. Wanted to give this guy feedback, and wrote his own notes, flying to India to meet the author, Jash Dholani . Dholani confirmed that he met with Mangione for an hour, but wouldn't say anything specific.

Arrogant in that he wanted to tell the author how to improve the book. His acquaintances say that Mangione's way was the right way. Had strong opinions.

On the surface he lived a charmed life. Family owned 2 country clubs and 9 nursing homes. Ivy League College. Someone at his private high school said he had odd episodes and would lash out. Another person said he told friends he didn't feel emotion the way others do. Once got in an argument with a girlfriend and said he didn't feel emotion over it.

Former LAPD Detective thinks mom thew him under the bus, "something I could see him doing." Suspects she knew he had issues.

Talking about the difficulty of the insanity defense here, and how he clearly knew he was doing.

90% is fluff, opinions, and creepy TikTok weirdos who support this, but that's the relevant stuff so far.

 

[acutename]

That sounds exactly right to me. Not some martyr devout to the cause, but a mentally ill dude who just needed a target. I continue to believe he did this for notoriety and ego.

It will always annoy me that people can't see this for what it is.

being bad or mentally ill does not preclude you from being a folk hero IMO
(how many times have we found out that some advocate or star or sports hero is actually a fraud?)

 

[acutename]

TMZ Special:

Two acquaintances in Thailand:

He went to the shooting range before he went to the beach with them, said it was expensive.

Bought 400 copies of a book (I think digital Amazon ones) to help support the author. Wanted to give this guy feedback, and wrote his own notes, flying to India to meet the author, Jash Dholani . Dholani confirmed that he met with Mangione for an hour, but wouldn't say anything specific.

Arrogant in that he wanted to tell the author how to improve the book. His acquaintances say that Mangione's way was the right way. Had strong opinions.

On the surface he lived a charmed life. Family owned 2 country clubs and 9 nursing homes. Ivy League College. Someone at his private high school said he had odd episodes and would lash out. Another person said he told friends he didn't feel emotion the way others do. Once got in an argument with a girlfriend and said he didn't feel emotion over it.

Former LAPD Detective thinks mom thew him under the bus, "something I could see him doing." Suspects she knew he had issues.

Talking about the difficulty of the insanity defense here, and how he clearly knew he was doing.

90% is fluff, opinions, and creepy TikTok weirdos who support this, but that's the relevant stuff so far.

is this the book?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DPVM1MVC

seems to be a modern take on some old philosophers and JD got recognized by Elon Musk.... so a bit of fame on Twitter. he wants to be a pundit.

 

[MassGuy]

is this the book?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DPVM1MVC

seems to be a modern take on some old philosophers and JD got recognized by Elon Musk.... so a bit of fame on Twitter. he wants to be a pundit.

That's it, but it looks like he republished it or something after the murder (dated December).

If he paid the same price for the Kindle version, then he spent $4,000 (bought 400 copies allegedly).

 

[nhmemorymaker]

TMZ Special:

Two acquaintances in Thailand:

He went to the shooting range before he went to the beach with them, said it was expensive.

Bought 400 copies of a book (I think digital Amazon ones) to help support the author. Wanted to give this guy feedback, and wrote his own notes, flying to India to meet the author, Jash Dholani . Dholani confirmed that he met with Mangione for an hour, but wouldn't say anything specific.

Arrogant in that he wanted to tell the author how to improve the book. His acquaintances say that Mangione's way was the right way. Had strong opinions.

On the surface he lived a charmed life. Family owned 2 country clubs and 9 nursing homes. Ivy League College. Someone at his private high school said he had odd episodes and would lash out. Another person said he told friends he didn't feel emotion the way others do. Once got in an argument with a girlfriend and said he didn't feel emotion over it.

Former LAPD Detective thinks mom thew him under the bus, "something I could see him doing." Suspects she knew he had issues.

Talking about the difficulty of the insanity defense here, and how he clearly knew he was doing.

90% is fluff, opinions, and creepy TikTok weirdos who support this, but that's the relevant stuff so far.

I don't understand that LAPD paragraph...can you elaborate on that one ? tia

 

[MassGuy]

I don't understand that LAPD paragraph...can you elaborate on that one ? tia

She’s saying the mom’s comment to the effect of “it’s something I could see him doing,” points to the possibility of other concerning behavior on his part that made her feel that way.

Many parents wouldn’t entertain the notion it could be their son.

So she kind of threw him under the bus with that comment.

 

[Friday Fan]

TMZ Special:

Two acquaintances in Thailand:

He went to the shooting range before he went to the beach with them, said it was expensive.

Bought 400 copies of a book (I think digital Amazon ones) to help support the author. Wanted to give this guy feedback, and wrote his own notes, flying to India to meet the author, Jash Dholani . Dholani confirmed that he met with Mangione for an hour, but wouldn't say anything specific.

Arrogant in that he wanted to tell the author how to improve the book. His acquaintances say that Mangione's way was the right way. Had strong opinions.

On the surface he lived a charmed life. Family owned 2 country clubs and 9 nursing homes. Ivy League College. Someone at his private high school said he had odd episodes and would lash out. Another person said he told friends he didn't feel emotion the way others do. Once got in an argument with a girlfriend and said he didn't feel emotion over it.

Former LAPD Detective thinks mom thew him under the bus, "something I could see him doing." Suspects she knew he had issues.

Talking about the difficulty of the insanity defense here, and how he clearly knew he was doing.

90% is fluff, opinions, and creepy TikTok weirdos who support this, but that's the relevant stuff so far.

Apparently the name of the book was: Hit Reverse: New Ideas From Old Books

https://www.amazon.com/Hit-Reverse-New-Ideas-Books/dp/B0DPVM1MVC

(Note the date:

Paperback – December 8, 2024​

However, the author tweeted about it in March.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1774142347967930423

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/luigi-mangione-bought-400-copies-of-indian-author-jash-dholani-s-book-flew-to-mumbai-to-try-and-meet-the-author-101736215256785.html

ETA: Found a digital version from earlier 2024: Hit Reverse: New Ideas From Old Books

 

[acutename]

Apparently the name of the book was: Hit Reverse: New Ideas From Old Books

https://www.amazon.com/Hit-Reverse-New-Ideas-Books/dp/B0DPVM1MVC

(Note the date:

Paperback – December 8, 2024​

However, the author tweeted about it in March.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1774142347967930423

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/luigi-mangione-bought-400-copies-of-indian-author-jash-dholani-s-book-flew-to-mumbai-to-try-and-meet-the-author-101736215256785.html

ETA: Found a digital version from earlier 2024: Hit Reverse: New Ideas From Old Books

used to be cheaper! let us hope that this was not LM's idea of book publicity. Seems that JD is not welcoming the association.

 

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[Marantz4250b]

"TMZ INVESTIGATES LUIGI MAGLIONE" TMZ tonight.

@imstilla.grandma
TYVM Per youtube, this was just posted a couple hours ago.

From transcript.
"TMZ INVESTIGATES SO MUCH TO LEARN IN THIS SPECIALTONIGHT. IT IS TONIGHT. TMZINVESTIGATES LUIGI MAGLIONE."

IIUC, from promo clip, ~2:26 when LM was in Thailand w a couple travel buddies, he went to a GUN RANGE. Several months before the Dec. homicide.

I don't recall hearing about the gun range before.
Anyone recall? Prior link? TiA

That's a random fact spun in a way to make it seem relevant to the case, imo.

My personal feeling is that visiting a range in Thailand or wherever it was certainly not the first time he had used a pistol. He knew what that gun was going to do and how to clear it and suchlike.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Many parents wouldn’t entertain the notion it could be their son.

So she kind of threw him under the bus with that comment.

I'd say she had a strong sense of her son as a person and was being honest in the moment. What some see as "throwing him under the bus," I'd say was powerful self-awareness on her part, regarding her truth.
Parents of murderers get criticized sometimes for being in denial and protecting their son or daughter, despite a henious crime. Maybe she's just different (in a good way) than many parents, IMO.

 

[GRT]

She’s saying the mom’s comment to the effect of “it’s something I could see him doing,” points to the possibility of other concerning behavior on his part that made her feel that way.

Many parents wouldn’t entertain the notion it could be their son.

So she kind of threw him under the bus with that comment.

I don't have the link right now, but a week or so ago, I read that her comment was in response to whether LM would stay at a hostel with a fake ID.

If that's true, some media outlets have been omitting some of the details to make it seem as though she was commenting on whether her son would kill a CEO in cold blood. Just MOO, but very few mothers would ever make that comment, even if they secretly entertained the idea.

I'll do some sleuthing and see if I can find that story again.

 

[girlhasnoname]

She’s saying the mom’s comment to the effect of “it’s something I could see him doing,” points to the possibility of other concerning behavior on his part that made her feel that way.

Many parents wouldn’t entertain the notion it could be their son.

So she kind of threw him under the bus with that comment.

Agree that it could point to some family strife, they obviously weren't close over the last year or so and I wonder why?

I wish more parents could be honest about the actions of their children (young or old) when they commit these types of crimes. I'm sure it isn't an easy thing to do, so good for her.

It might help us better understand the psyche of these school shooters, mass murderers, etc.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don't have the link right now, but a week or so ago, I read that her comment was in response to whether LM would stay at a hostel with a fake ID.

If that's true, some media outlets have been omitting some of the details to make it seem as though she was commenting on whether her son would kill a CEO in cold blood. Just MOO, but very few mothers would ever make that comment, even if they secretly entertained the idea.

I'll do some sleuthing and see if I can find that story again.

I linked an article last week that said she did say that to LE in connection to "might being'something she could see him do" regarding the shooting not staying at the hostel part with a fake ID.

<snipped>
When detectives reached out to accused CEO killer Luigi Mangione’s mother after the first photos of the suspect emerged, she said she wasn’t certain it was him – but told investigators the shooting “might be something that she could see him doing,” a New York Police Department official said Tuesday.

Luigi Mangione's mother said she could 'see him doing' shooting of insurance CEO: police

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“I think it’s very unlikely that a case like this is going to confront something like jury nullification,” Gregory Germain, a professor at Syracuse University College of Law, said. “Most of us hate insurance companies and have had difficult experiences dealing with insurance companies, but that doesn’t mean we think people should be going around murdering insurance executives in the street.”

Germain said it’s unlikely potential nullifiers will be able to hide that level of bias during the jury selection process. He adds that while Mangione does have a large fanbase, most “people who want to live in a civilized society are not going to find him to be an appealing defendant.”

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/fandom-jury-nullification-luigi-mangione-trial/

 

[GRT]

There are a few aspects in this case that I still feel I'm missing. If someone has posted the answers, sorry, I've missed them.

The phone call LM was on 10 minutes before he shot BT. It was early morning, so while it could have been a personal call--that seems unlikely. It seems more likely he was talking to someone who knew about the upcoming shooting. JMOO

The bike. This is a sticking point for me. LE said it wasn't a CitiBike, so where did he get it, and more to the point, where did he store it? How did he get from the hostel to the 54th in 6 minutes? Maybe I'm tracking it wrong on GPS, but I come up with 19 minutes on an e-bike. Did he take a taxi and have the bike hidden?

 

[GRT]

I linked an article last week that said she did say that to LE in connection to "might being'something she could see him do" regarding the shooting not staying at the hostel part with a fake ID.

<snipped>
When detectives reached out to accused CEO killer Luigi Mangione’s mother after the first photos of the suspect emerged, she said she wasn’t certain it was him – but told investigators the shooting “might be something that she could see him doing,” a New York Police Department official said Tuesday.

Luigi Mangione's mother said she could 'see him doing' shooting of insurance CEO: police

Yes, thank you! I've read multiple MSM accounts that say the same thing.

But, most of them appear to be quoting one another rather than an original source.

I'm still hunting for the account that said his mother was referencing the fake ID and staying at a hostel. I knew I should have bookmarked it when I read it but I didn't.

The version we're mostly hearing right now is the one you point out. I'm just not sure it's accurate. I'd love to find the original source.

 

[GRT]

“I think it’s very unlikely that a case like this is going to confront something like jury nullification,” Gregory Germain, a professor at Syracuse University College of Law, said. “Most of us hate insurance companies and have had difficult experiences dealing with insurance companies, but that doesn’t mean we think people should be going around murdering insurance executives in the street.”

Germain said it’s unlikely potential nullifiers will be able to hide that level of bias during the jury selection process. He adds that while Mangione does have a large fanbase, most “people who want to live in a civilized society are not going to find him to be an appealing defendant.”

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/fandom-jury-nullification-luigi-mangione-trial/

I tend to think along the same lines.

While it might be a bigger risk in this case, it's unlikely to rise to the level that a jury actually nullifies.

I could see a hung jury, however.