NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #12 *Arrest*

[Marantz4250b]

I don't think so. I think he was simply radicalized by online content, ie the deep dark web, and thought he was doing us all a service to knock out the ceo. I don't think he thought as deeply as wanting to stick it to his dad. I'd love to know, however, if his dad or family had a beef with the healthcare industry themselves. I would guess no.

I don't think it's even as involved that, tbh. In my totally unqualified opinion, other than life in general, I think it'll turn out that he's always been a bit nuts, quite frankly. It's a personality thing rather than being recently radicalised. I get the impression that he's someone who's a misfit in life who was actively looking for a cause to serve his ego.

If it wasn't the health industry it would have been something else; In the 60's he'd probably be vehemently anti-war and trying to blow up Napalm factories, in 80's he'd be setting fire to fur shops or trying to get into military bases to paint graffiti on ICBM's and SR71s and suchlike.

He's nothing startling. Radical idiots who don't really think through their insane plots are common throughout history. He's just last year's one.

 

[Trino]

More clickbait nonsense!

The description isn't even correct. If "some" vote to acquit that's a hung jury, not a jury that returns a not guilty verdict in the face of clear evidence of guilt.

Definitely not nonsense.
OJ Simpson case is considered jury nullification. Four officers who beat Rodney King - jury nullification. 1971 Camden draft office considered jury nullification. Emmett Till murders - jury nullification. Dr. Jack Kevorkian - jury nullification.

Jury nullification is when the jurors believe the defendant is guilty but for some reason - law was unjust, misapplied, too harsh punishment, etc. - refuse to convict. The outcome is called a hung jury, but the reasons are called jury nullification.

It is expected to be a leaning in this case.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Definitely not nonsense.
OJ Simpson case is considered jury nullification. Four officers who beat Rodney King - jury nullification. 1971 Camden draft office considered jury nullification. Emmett Till murders - jury nullification. Dr. Jack Kevorkian - jury nullification.

Jury nullification is when the jurors believe the defendant is guilty but for some reason - law was unjust, misapplied, too harsh punishment, etc. - refuse to convict. The outcome is called a hung jury, but the reasons are called jury nullification.

It is expected to be a leaning in this case.

We've mentioned these cases before; OJ was not jury nullification, the state just failed to prove its case. Personally, I think that they just wore the jury down and bamboozled them into submission. Jury nullification would mean that the jury made a conscious decision to let a man off an exceptionally violent double murder for whatever reason. I do not believe that that was what what happened

In the Rodney King case the jury took days to deliberate and couldn't reach a verdict on one defendant.

In Kevorkian it was pointed out that what he wasn't even doing anything unlawful as assisting a suicide was not an offence at the time.

None of these were cases of jury nullification.

 

[Trino]

We've mentioned these cases before; OJ was not jury nullification, the state just failed to prove its case. Personally, I think that they just wore the jury down and bamboozled them into submission. Jury nullification would mean that the jury made a conscious decision to let a man off an exceptionally violent double murder for whatever reason. I do not believe that that was what what happened

In the Rodney King case the jury took days to deliberate and couldn't reach a verdict on one defendant.

In Kevorkian it was pointed out that what he wasn't even doing anything unlawful as assisting a suicide was not an offence at the time.

None of these were cases of jury nullification.

Suggest you check online for the top 10 jury nullification cases. The cases cited are classics. Forbes, a well-known publication, considers Kevorkian case and Camden cases jury nullification. Michael Picard (NYC) case was jury nullification in 2022, a federal case. There are many, many others, not so well-known perhaps, but they are definite jury nullification.

 

[justpeachy22]

I don't think it's even as involved that, tbh. In my totally unqualified opinion, other than life in general, I think it'll turn out that he's always been a bit nuts, quite frankly. It's a personality thing rather than being recently radicalised. I get the impression that he's someone who's a misfit in life who was actively looking for a cause to serve his ego.

If it wasn't the health industry it would have been something else; In the 60's he'd probably be vehemently anti-war and trying to blow up Napalm factories, in 80's he'd be setting fire to fur shops or trying to get into military bases to paint graffiti on ICBM's and SR71s and suchlike.

He's nothing startling. Radical idiots who don't really think through their insane plots are common throughout history. He's just last year's one.

“Always been a bit nuts” infers mental illness as a personality type. I’m in the group that needs more evidence of that (prior to his days at penn state) to be convinced that LM belongs in that group, even considering the heinous act. I do recognize that he was losing it after his time in Hawaii.

 

[LinasK]

“Always been a bit nuts” infers mental illness as a personality type. I’m in the group that needs more evidence of that (prior to his days at penn state) to be convinced that LM belongs in that group, even considering the heinous act. I do recognize that he was losing it after his time in Hawaii.

You just said so in your last sentence that he was "losing it" after his time in Hawaii. This guy could have been deteriorating mentally for a long time and gone undiagnosed, but given off symptoms that something wasn't quite right with him. Oftentimes people who grow up with these types know to avoid them or that something is wrong even when they can't quite put their finger on it. There was a boy like this in high school that was stalking my daughter. I learned that he was receiving psychiatric care and his mother went to great pains to cover that up.

 

[sunspun]

You just said so in your last sentence that he was "losing it" after his time in Hawaii. This guy could have been deteriorating mentally for a long time and gone undiagnosed, but given off symptoms that something wasn't quite right with him. Oftentimes people who grow up with these types know to avoid them or that something is wrong even when they can't quite put their finger on it. There was a boy like this in high school that was stalking my daughter. I learned that he was receiving psychiatric care and his mother went to great pains to cover that up.

"Always been a bit nuts" comes in more than one variety though, imo. There's the sort you mentioned who people learn to avoid early on. Then there's the other kind who a certain type of people are drawn to instead, either because their antics are fun or funny, or just because they like the "crazy"! I knew one of these long time ago, always acted so crazy that everyone called him "Psycho", I never even knew his real name. He was very popular and always had a lot of people around him. Not the careful, responsible people so much, but the ones who enjoyed whatever he brought. He did end up in prison eventually though.

 

[Marantz4250b]

“Always been a bit nuts” infers mental illness as a personality type. I’m in the group that needs more evidence of that (prior to his days at penn state) to be convinced that LM belongs in that group, even considering the heinous act. I do recognize that he was losing it after his time in Hawaii.

To me he comes over as having a rather strange personality. Not mental illness, as such, just personality problems. As an example, he seems to be the type who gets extremely invested in certain things who, once he's got something in his head, he seems to obsess over it. Like the alleged buying of 400 books to help the author and suchlike.

 

[girlhasnoname]

To me he comes over as having a rather strange personality. Not mental illness, as such, just personality problems. As an example, he seems to be the type who gets extremely invested in certain things who, once he's got something in his head, he seems to obsess over it. Like the alleged buying of 400 books to help the author and suchlike.

Yes, LM's obviously intelligent as evidenced by his Ivy League eduction. He was said to have been considered charming and sociable by his friends and was certainly not a basement dwelling loner. Well educated, well traveled, well funded, and from a very financially successful and influential family.

I agree 'extremism' is a good way to describe him from what we know so far. I am curious as to what happened and where he was during this last year that he cut off all contact with his family and friends? It could be as simple as he was planning something like this during this time and went dark on purpose. IDK

JMO

 

[lynchmob67]

Not directly related but from the article…

WENDELL MAN ARRESTED FOR ALLEGEDLY THREATENING AUTOMOTIVE EXECUTIVES, THEIR FAMILIES​

"I live in Raleigh and am an expert sniper...I vow that I will hunt down your entire (Advance Auto) executive board and put bullets in their FAMILIES...there will be no stopping me from punishing your executives by murdering their families for refusing to improve the accuracy of your website search function."

Authorities found a picture of a rifle mounted with a scope on Huffman's cellphone. They also found text messages where Huffman said he would have murdered United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson if given $50,000 and a rifle that could not be traced back to him.

Edward Scott Huffman | North Carolina man arrested for allegedly threatening executives of Advance Auto Parts and their families | abc11.com

North%20Carolina%20man%20Edward%20Scott%20Huffman%20arrested%20for%20allegedly%20threatening%20executives%20of%20Advance%20Auto%20Parts%20and%20their%20families

abc11.com

 

[girlhasnoname]

Not directly related but from the article…

WENDELL MAN ARRESTED FOR ALLEGEDLY THREATENING AUTOMOTIVE EXECUTIVES, THEIR FAMILIES​

"I live in Raleigh and am an expert sniper...I vow that I will hunt down your entire (Advance Auto) executive board and put bullets in their FAMILIES...there will be no stopping me from punishing your executives by murdering their families for refusing to improve the accuracy of your website search function."

Authorities found a picture of a rifle mounted with a scope on Huffman's cellphone. They also found text messages where Huffman said he would have murdered United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson if given $50,000 and a rifle that could not be traced back to him.

Edward Scott Huffman | North Carolina man arrested for allegedly threatening executives of Advance Auto Parts and their families | abc11.com

North%20Carolina%20man%20Edward%20Scott%20Huffman%20arrested%20for%20allegedly%20threatening%20executives%20of%20Advance%20Auto%20Parts%20and%20their%20families

abc11.com

This is a prime example of why there can be zero tolerance for terrorists, domestic or foreign. Period.

IMO

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey everyone,

Please move on from the topic of jury nullification. At this time it is not relevant to discussion of this case, and interested members may discuss in private messaging if they wish to continue.

Thanks.

 

[Chimera]

Not directly related but from the article…

WENDELL MAN ARRESTED FOR ALLEGEDLY THREATENING AUTOMOTIVE EXECUTIVES, THEIR FAMILIES​

"I live in Raleigh and am an expert sniper...I vow that I will hunt down your entire (Advance Auto) executive board and put bullets in their FAMILIES...there will be no stopping me from punishing your executives by murdering their families for refusing to improve the accuracy of your website search function."

Authorities found a picture of a rifle mounted with a scope on Huffman's cellphone. They also found text messages where Huffman said he would have murdered United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson if given $50,000 and a rifle that could not be traced back to him.

Edward Scott Huffman | North Carolina man arrested for allegedly threatening executives of Advance Auto Parts and their families | abc11.com

North%20Carolina%20man%20Edward%20Scott%20Huffman%20arrested%20for%20allegedly%20threatening%20executives%20of%20Advance%20Auto%20Parts%20and%20their%20families

abc11.com

This is a prime example of why there can be zero tolerance for terrorists, domestic or foreign. Period.

IMO

Rbm.
@lynchmob67 : Eeek ! That is frightening. The red bolded sounds like someone who has a serious mental illness.

@girlhasnoname : Agreed 100 %.

One aspect of the murder of Brian Thompson is the possibility of copycats.
I don't think it's far-fetched.

Regardless of perceived injustice -- no one has a right to take an innocent life.
A person (LM? Not clear yet what his diagnosis might be.) who may have an untreated mental diagnosis can still plan, stalk and murder another person.

LM can receive treatment behind bars and he may very already be getting needed meds or some such ?
But he and anyone else who kills innocent people should not get a lesser sentence and need to face the full extant of the law.
My opinion only.

 

[Arkay]

Not directly related but from the article…

WENDELL MAN ARRESTED FOR ALLEGEDLY THREATENING AUTOMOTIVE EXECUTIVES, THEIR FAMILIES​

"I live in Raleigh and am an expert sniper...I vow that I will hunt down your entire (Advance Auto) executive board and put bullets in their FAMILIES...there will be no stopping me from punishing your executives by murdering their families for refusing to improve the accuracy of your website search function."

Authorities found a picture of a rifle mounted with a scope on Huffman's cellphone. They also found text messages where Huffman said he would have murdered United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson if given $50,000 and a rifle that could not be traced back to him.

Edward Scott Huffman | North Carolina man arrested for allegedly threatening executives of Advance Auto Parts and their families | abc11.com

North%20Carolina%20man%20Edward%20Scott%20Huffman%20arrested%20for%20allegedly%20threatening%20executives%20of%20Advance%20Auto%20Parts%20and%20their%20families

abc11.com

And so the copycats begin.

Someday someone who is defending Luigi now may have to face this in their own family, if someone out there obsesses over whatever injustice they perceive and it happens to be the career of a family member of their own.

IMO

 

[stanerd]

If LM, SBF, and Diddy are all housed in the same area of the jail, I'd love to be a fly on the wall to see how they interact with one another. I imagine LM and SBF may have some interesting conversations since they've both been involved in the tech industry, but I don't know how much Diddy would have in common with them. I've read that Diddy is jealous of LM's attention, but who knows if that's true. All three of them are scumbags who are in jail where they belong.

 

[Chimera]

If LM, SBF, and Diddy are all housed in the same area of the jail, I'd love to be a fly on the wall to see how they interact with one another. I imagine LM and SBF may have some interesting conversations since they've both been involved in the tech industry, but I don't know how much Diddy would have in common with them. I've read that Diddy is jealous of LM's attention, but who knows if that's true. All three of them are scumbags who are in jail where they belong.

Agreed.
For some reason that makes me chuckle at them.
A 'too bad, so sad' scenario.
Imagine thinking you're extra-important and a narcissist to the core only to be upstaged by a fellow inmate.
Someone you can't impress nor get away from.
Find out what 'humble' means.
Omo.

 

[sunspun]

Rbm.
@lynchmob67 : Eeek ! That is frightening. The red bolded sounds like someone who has a serious mental illness.

@girlhasnoname : Agreed 100 %.

One aspect of the murder of Brian Thompson is the possibility of copycats.
I don't think it's far-fetched.

Regardless of perceived injustice -- no one has a right to take an innocent life.
A person (LM? Not clear yet what his diagnosis might be.) who may have an untreated mental diagnosis can still plan, stalk and murder another person.

LM can receive treatment behind bars and he may very already be getting needed meds or some such ?
But he and anyone else who kills innocent people should not get a lesser sentence and need to face the full extant of the law.
My opinion only.

Yes, I wasn't expecting that to be his reason for threatening such violence to the poor auto parts store! I can see getting mad about the completely useless search engines found on some major websites (Amazon & Facebook are a couple of my pet peeves, especially considering all their billions!), but that was over the top. And I would not be at all surprised to know he was influenced by Mr Mangione.

 

[Sundog]

Singer's opinion on killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson

The 26-year-old took to social media on Friday with a series of Instagram posts where she shared her thoughts on the role corporate role plays in US politics.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Ethel Cain, singer, and her post on Instagram with hashtag #KILL MORE CEOS.

I would hope that the FBI pays her a visit. Sounds like dometic terrorism threat to me.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Yes, LM's obviously intelligent as evidenced by his Ivy League eduction. He was said to have been considered charming and sociable by his friends and was certainly not a basement dwelling loner. Well educated, well traveled, well funded, and from a very financially successful and influential family.

I agree 'extremism' is a good way to describe him from what we know so far. I am curious as to what happened and where he was during this last year that he cut off all contact with his family and friends? It could be as simple as he was planning something like this during this time and went dark on purpose. IDK

JMO

Yes, I agree with this. I don't think that this mindset is something which has come about over the past year or even the past few years, though. I think that he has an underlying personality problem which I suspect his family are familiar with.

 

[Fawn]

LM's psychology is interesting in terms of assassin typology. Personally, I think he seems like a type II under the system outlined in James W. Clarke's American Assassins: The Darker Side of Politics. Snipped from here. (Original page went down shortly after this entire incident happened. Could be coincidence.)

Type II assassins are persons with overwhelming and aggressive egocentric needs for acceptance, recognition and status. The primary characteristic they share is called a "political" personality. That is, a personality which is inclined to project personal motives on public objects and rationalize them in terms of some larger public interest. Under these circumstances, in every instance, the exercise of power in a public manner generates the attention that had been denied in the past.

But his fanclub appears to see him as more of an altruistic type, motivated primarily by the cause and secondarily by personal grievances.