NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #12 *Arrest*

[girlhasnoname]

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"Luigi is aware of the fund and very much appreciates the outpouring of support. My client plans on utilizing it to fight all three of the unprecedented cases against him," Karen Friedman Agnifilo, an attorney for Mangione, told Newsweek in a statement on Tuesday.

Luigi Mangione's top donors fizzle out

The 26-year-old could face the death penalty if convicted.

www.newsweek.com

Looks like the Gen Z supporter crowds can't afford to buy their specialty coffee AND donate to LM too. LOL

With the amount of charges he is facing that $225K is nothing, a drop in the bucket. You hear very little of him in MSM anymore. His actions did nothing positive to advance solutions in a very messed up Health Care Industry, but did leave an innocent man dead and his family without a husband and father.

JMO

 

[al66pine]

"Unprecedented Charges"?

Luigi Mangione's defense team adds death penalty expert in case of slain UnitedHealthcare CEO

Luigi Mangione's defense team adds death penalty expert.

abcnews.go.com

He faces a maximum sentence of life in prison without parole if convicted of the state charges. "The Agnifilo Intrater team is pleased to have Avi Moskowitz lend his considerable expertise in death penalty cases to Mr. Mangione's federal case as 'learned counsel.' The charges could not be more serious and our client needs every resource at his disposal to fight these unprecedented charges in three jurisdictions," a spokesperson for the firm said in a statement provided to ABC News.
Red emphasis mine.
In what universe would cold-blooded murder be considered, 'unprecedented' ?
As if it's unheard of to be facing such harsh charges.
Smh.

Brian's wife, kids, and the rest of his family members will never get to see him again.
As much as I think LM is definitely eligible for the death penalty, I'd push for life without parole if on the jury.
Let him sit in a tiny cell as he ages and turns grey, thinking about the opportunities in life that he threw away.
Omo.

@Chimera. Thx for link & your on-target comment. Gotta repeat part:

"In what universe would cold-blooded murder be considered, 'unprecedented' ?
"As if it's unheard of to be facing such harsh charges."

Speaking gen'ly, a def atty's concept of appropriate plea agreement may be:
Prosecution dismisses all previous charges, files single jaywalking charge;
def't pleads guilty.
Sentence: def't is sent to bed without dinner one night, then record is purged. /s

No, really, we know def attorneys are obligated to zealously represent those charged w crimes.* But the "unprecedented charges" phrasing seems hyperbolically melodramatic. imo jmo moo omo

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* Did not search for NY specifically but (for your reading pleasure), from American Bar Association---
"Criminal Justice Standards for the Defense Function"
"Standard 4-1.2 Functions and Duties of Defense Counsel"
"Standard 4-1.10 Relationship With Media."

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/criminal_justice/resources/standards/defense-function/

 

[arielilane]

LM’s Manifesto is nothing but bs, same as TK’s Manifesto. Neither lived by their words or knew what they were writing about. All fluff. moo
Perhaps LE stopped the making of a serial killer on the day LM was arrested. moo

 

[Chimera]

LM’s Manifesto is nothing but bs, same as TK’s Manifesto. Neither lived by their words or knew what they were writing about. All fluff. moo
Perhaps LE stopped the making of a serial killer on the day LM was arrested. moo

Bbm.
That's a frightening thought.
If they hadn't caught LM, maybe at this moment he'd be 'riding high' on his escaping justice, and already be eyeing his next target ?

I wasn't able to find out much yet and apologies if it's been posted already -- did the tipster get their reward yet ?
Imo.

 

[al66pine]

FBI Reward for Tip?

....I wasn't able to find out much yet and apologies if it's been posted already -- did the tipster get their reward yet ?
Imo.

snipped for focus @Chimera
Long story short, doubtful imo that FBI reward has been paid as it was contingent on the info leading to arrest AND CONVICTION.

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C & P from my Dec. 15 post (seems links are dead):

Dec. 7,"The FBI announced Friday night it was offering a $50,000 reward for information leading to an arrest and conviction."*
^ That relates to WHEN reward payment may be made.^
Sorry that I cannot find link to the FBI's online poster, which had previously been on fbi.gov. Any one see it still in MSM article?

I'm not sure how anyone not in FBI, NYC-PD, or prosecutorial position could answer OP's question already. As others have posted here on WS, it's likely some ppl have also passed tips re LM to FBI or NYC-PD. Maybe very helpful info.

Personally I don't have a solid FACTUAL read of the events at McD's the morning the phone call was made. Seems the tip helped lead to LM's ARREST.

Is it possible that later someone else may provide info to FBI (or NYC-PD, et al) that may be extreeemely helpful at trial in which LM is eventually CONVICTED? More helpful than locating LM initially? IDK.

A FBI "Policy Directive" ** covers offering & approving monetary rewards to members of the public for advertised solicitations for info leading to arrests & convictions, etc.
The lower half of page 1 has the Meat & Potatoes of it, w pages 5 & 6 explaining abbreviations & acronyms to help sort & digest the Alphabet Soup.

Regardless imo, it boils down to deciding on a case-by-case basis who to reward under the facts & specific circumstances.

And before LM's trial, no reward.
Hoping for a conviction of the "right" perp and that he/she/they/whoever can enjoy the reward.

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* Dec. 7 story in AP
FBI offers $50,000 reward for information about gunman who killed UnitedHealthcare’s CEO

** FBI "Policy Directive"

https://vault.fbi.gov/publicly-advertized-rewards-policy-directive-0978d/Publicly%20Advertized%20Rewards%20Policy%20Directive%200978D%20Part%2001%20of%2001/view

 

[imstilla.grandma]

According to ABC News, Friedman Agnifilo, who is a former chief assistant district attorney in the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office, said Mangione "plans on utilizing it to fight all three of the unprecedented cases against him.”

Luigi Mangione accepts $300K in donations for legal defense in murder case: lawyer

Luigi Mangione, the man accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, has accepted almost $300,000 from people who claim to be his fans.

kimatv.com

 

[Sundog]

According to ABC News, Friedman Agnifilo, who is a former chief assistant district attorney in the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office, said Mangione "plans on utilizing it to fight all three of the unprecedented cases against him.”

Luigi Mangione accepts $300K in donations for legal defense in murder case: lawyer

Luigi Mangione, the man accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, has accepted almost $300,000 from people who claim to be his fans.

kimatv.com

In response to Mangione's attorney's statement - there is nothing "unprecedented" about charging a murderer with murder. Being charged in both state and federal court is not unprecedented, neither are the charges in PA. With regard to the terrorism charge, it's not that far-fetched.

In any event, the anarchists who set up the fundraiser will need to raise a lot more than $300,000 if they plan to pay for his defense on all fronts and with the legal team that is representing him. It's likely, IMO, that LM's parents are also funding his defense and paying a lot more than a mere $300,000.

JMO

 

[Mihajlo]

He possibly believes he can beat this. He's perhaps upset he got caught so easily. He may be buying into the "hero" status, the adulation, even dreaming of walking the streets of New York again, being recognized and asked to be in a photo with each of his 10,000 admirers.

A question about the money in the fundraiser account: Can he only use the money to pay a portion of his substantial legal expenses, or could he, as a ruse, since he is proclaiming innocence, put up some of the money as a reward for finding Brian Thompson's "real" killer?

And, hypothetically, should he somehow manage to beat this: What does he do then? Does he milk the fame for all he can? Go around the country giving talks on the injustice of being accused of such a horrific crime? Or, appearances be damned, take up the mantle of fixing healthcare and talk about that?

 

[Sundog]

He possibly believes he can beat this. He's perhaps upset he got caught so easily. He may be buying into the "hero" status, the adulation, even dreaming of walking the streets of New York again, being recognized and asked to be in a photo with each of his 10,000 admirers.

A question about the money in the fundraiser account: Can he only use the money to pay a portion of his substantial legal expenses, or could he, as a ruse, since he is proclaiming innocence, put up some of the money as a reward for finding Brian Thompson's "real" killer?

And, hypothetically, should he somehow manage to beat this: What does he do then? Does he milk the fame for all he can? Go around the country giving talks on the injustice of being accused of such a horrific crime? Or, appearances be damned, take up the mantle of fixing healthcare and talk about that?

I seriously doubt that LM has 10,000 admirers in New York City and, in any event, he's not going to "walk free" from both his state and federal charges. He's going away for a long time, and will be forgotten as other news stories emerge and he's behind bars where he belongs.

Justice for Brian Thompson!

 

[Mihajlo]

I seriously doubt that LM has 10,000 admirers in New York City and, in any event, he's not going to "walk free" from both his state and federal charges. He's going away for a long time, and will be forgotten as other news stories emerge and he's behind bars where he belongs.

Justice for Brian Thompson!

I, too, do not believe he will be free, only that he may be imagining himself as beating the case (very unlikely IMO), and the 10,000 figure was taken from the article mentioning how many people donated to the fundraising account for him.

I feel the reality of what he has done will only start slowly sinking in for him after his sentencing.

 

[girlhasnoname]

According to ABC News, Friedman Agnifilo, who is a former chief assistant district attorney in the Manhattan District Attorney’s Office, said Mangione "plans on utilizing it to fight all three of the unprecedented cases against him.”

Luigi Mangione accepts $300K in donations for legal defense in murder case: lawyer

Luigi Mangione, the man accused of killing UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, has accepted almost $300,000 from people who claim to be his fans.

kimatv.com

Hah, he's gonna need a lot more. Especially if he and his attorney want matching outfits during hearings and trial.

JMO

 

[Fawn]

And, hypothetically, should he somehow manage to beat this: What does he do then?

He writes a book called If I Did It

 

[Mihajlo]

He writes a book called If I Did It

I did consider LM might hire a ghostwriter to do something in that vein. He would, no doubt, expect a hagiography. It wouldn't be worth reading, just as I presume OJ's wasn't worth reading (I think very few read his drivel, and believe it was rightly withdrawn from distribution).

 

[stanerd]

I, too, do not believe he will be free, only that he may be imagining himself as beating the case (very unlikely IMO), and the 10,000 figure was taken from the article mentioning how many people donated to the fundraising account for him.

I feel the reality of what he has done will only start slowly sinking in for him after his sentencing.

Agreed.

Being locked in a cell with some gang banger, constantly watching out for physical attacks from other inmates. Having to follow orders from guards, some of whom are unprofessional. Not being able to enjoy a nice vacation, a comfortable bed, a nice meal with family or friends, a walk in the woods or on the beach. Knowing that your family and friends are enjoying life while you're stuck inside a concrete hellhole and knowing that you'll probably be stuck there for decades or until death (depending on the sentence).

That would be soul crushing.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Agreed.

Being locked in a cell with some gang banger, constantly watching out for physical attacks from other inmates. Having to follow orders from guards, some of whom are unprofessional. Not being able to enjoy a nice vacation, a comfortable bed, a nice meal with family or friends, a walk in the woods or on the beach. Knowing that your family and friends are enjoying life while you're stuck inside a concrete hellhole and knowing that you'll probably be stuck there for decades or until death (depending on the sentence).

That would be soul crushing.

Maybe soul crushing but those are the consequences of choosing murder. LM most certainly deserves it for taking the life of an innocent man whom he left lying bleeding and dead on a busy NYC street. All in the name of what? LM did NOTHING IMO to further a change in the HealthCare Industry.

He's already been forgotten for the most part by MSM and a larger percentage of people now see him as a spoiled, entitled, unstable terrorist. No Martyr or Hero.

JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

I was waiting for my daughter at an Irish Pub downtown. We were meeting to spend some time together and have dinner later. A man walked into the pub with an old Pitt Bull. After petting the dog, I happen to notice the t-shirt the man was wearing. I noticed the back first, the shirt was black with the words, Deny, Delay, Defend in white letters. On the front of the shirt was a photo of Luigi Mangione firing the gun and shooting the United Healthcare CEO. I was a bit surprised to see someone wearing a t-shirt in support of Mangione.

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[lonetraveler]

I was waiting for my daughter at an Irish Pub downtown. We were meeting to spend some time together and have dinner later. A man walked into the pub with an old Pitt Bull. After petting the dog, I happen to notice the t-shirt the man was wearing. I noticed the back first, the shirt was black with the words, Deny, Delay, Defend in white letters. On the front of the shirt was a photo of Luigi Mangione firing the gun and shooting the United Healthcare CEO. I was a bit surprised to see someone wearing a t-shirt in support of Mangione.

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When I said, Luigi Mangione to him, he just turned around and went to the other side of the pub. He seemed a bit surprised that I knew about the case and what his t-shirt meant.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

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[sds71]

The suspect in the ambush killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson thanked people who have written to him as he is jailed in a New York City detention facility.

Luigi Mangione's statement, posted on a website set up by his defense to provide information about his cases, appear to be his first public comments since he shouted to reporters before a court appearance in Pennsylvania in December.


Mangione is charged in New York with first-degree murder in furtherance of terrorism and other counts in Thompson's Dec. 4 killing. The CEO was shot from behind as he was walking on a Manhattan sidewalk.

Mangione said in the statement that people have written to him at the Metropolitan Detention Center, where he is jailed pending trial.

“I am overwhelmed by — and grateful for — everyone who has written me to share their stories and express their support,” Mangione said in a statement posted to that website.

UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting suspect thanks people for mail on new website

Luigi Mangione, who is charged with first-degree murder in the ambush killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, made the comments on a website set up by his defense.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[detective.moon]

i’ve been waiting for websleuths to come back online to share the update!

here is the full statement from LM on their new website:

"I am overwhelmed by - and grateful for - everyone who has written me to share their stories and express their support. Powerfully, this support has transcended political, racial, and even class divisions, as mail has flooded MDC from across the country, and around the globe. While it is impossible for me to reply to most letters, please know that I read every one that I receive. Thank you again to everyone who took the time to write. I look forward to hearing more in the future." -Luigi Mangione

and this is the website

Luigi Mangione Legal Defense Information

Due to the extraordinary volume of inquiries and outpouring of support, this site was created and is maintained by Luigi Mangione’s New York legal defense team to provide answers to frequently asked questions, accurate information about his cases, and dispel misinformation. The intent is to...

www.luigimangioneinfo.com

“If you have a story you’d like to share, relevant information about the case, or even words of encouragement, please submit here. Please note that anything submitted here may become public in some form in the future.”

i wonder if they might use highlighting the support for LM as a strategy in the court room too?