NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #12 *Arrest*

[mrC]

yes the do but they also all have security camreas so they would of seen him doing it

 

[Megnut]

yes the do but they also all have security camreas so they would of seen him doing it

The prosecution may well have learned when and where he had access to 3D printer. And they may have cctv of him printing it, but they're a fair chance it's been long over-written. Criminals buy crime scene clean up kits at Walmart all the time, on full surveillance. There's no reason to think LM would be camera shy while using a 3D printer.

I'm interesting in knowing if they've uncovered evidence of where he planned to go next.

JMO

 

[Serononin]

Of course it's possible, but I am inclined to be skeptical as well because Luigi seems like a very intelligent person. He graduated with two degrees from Uni of PA, which is an Ivy.

Tbf, I've spent enough time in academia to realise that an alarming number of highly-educated people have no common sense whatsoever

 

[mrC]

a crime scene clean up kit has other uses so they would be able to do that

but a gun doesn't the watch those security cameras. Someone buying cleaning equipment would not be considered unusual, someone printing a gun would be the printers also have a record of what has been printed on them it would be more or less impossible to do that at a library without the libary knowing you had done it

 

[JDG]

a crime scene clean up kit has other uses so they would be able to do that

but a gun doesn't the watch those security cameras. Someone buying cleaning equipment would not be considered unusual, someone printing a gun would be the printers also have a record of what has been printed on them it would be more or less impossible to do that at a library without the libary knowing you had done it

It does not mean he used a library.

That was just an example of where/how to access a printer cheaply and without much effort.

He did print his gun, was not caught etc.

You will find out at trial no doubt. At trial.

 

[mrC]

he could of been gien the gun by an acomplice but if that is the case why are they not looking for an acomplice

 

[Sundog]

Tbf, I've spent enough time in academia to realise that an alarming number of highly-educated people have no common sense whatsoever

Yes, that is the case. There are different types of intelligences, and in many cases intelligence is contextual. LM may have been intelligent in his field of study, but it doesn't mean that it was generalized to all other contexts. And as you say, common sense is often lacking in many academics.

 

[Serononin]

Was it the whole gun that was 3D printed? I thought it was only one part?

 

[Megnut]

Was it the whole gun that was 3D printed? I thought it was only one part?

>>>>>The 26-year-old Mangione, who studied computer science and earned bachelor's and master's degrees in engineering from the University of Pennsylvania, is alleged to have written in the document how easy it was to print out some of the components used to assemble the mostly plastic gun.<<<<<<

Suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO killing allegedly boasted of making ghost gun: Sources

The firearm found on the suspect in the murder of the UnitedHealthcare CEO is believed to have been an untraceable ghost gun, according to police.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Serononin]

>>>>>The 26-year-old Mangione, who studied computer science and earned bachelor's and master's degrees in engineering from the University of Pennsylvania, is alleged to have written in the document how easy it was to print out some of the components used to assemble the mostly plastic gun.<<<<<<

Suspect in UnitedHealthcare CEO killing allegedly boasted of making ghost gun: Sources

The firearm found on the suspect in the murder of the UnitedHealthcare CEO is believed to have been an untraceable ghost gun, according to police.

abcnews.go.com

Thanks!

 

[mrC]

if it wasnt a whole gun then how could of shot someone with it

 

[Megnut]

if it wasnt a whole gun then how could of shot someone with it

He assembled it into a whole gun.

JMO

 

[waldojabba]

Of course it's possible, but I am inclined to be skeptical as well because Luigi seems like a very intelligent person. He graduated with two degrees from Uni of PA, which is an Ivy.

Everything does not have to be so black and white.

I believe that Luigi is the shooter and
I also believe that LE does not always follow procedure
And that they can make grievous errors

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IMO that is not what is happening here
There are just decisions by LE that are questionable and prob not by the book
and they should be called out for sure
For any criminal to be let loose bc of a techicality should not happen
It makes my blood boil
I don't think that will happen here
But the 11 or 12 minute gap where the Altoona cops turned off their body cams concerns me
Also if true, that they found no gun on their initial search of his knapsack but found it on the second search
a while later after it was in their custody - that's a problem for me too
Were these cops told "Listen this is high profile make it look convincing/make it stick?
Would not be the first time imo

I stated it from the start, I think Luigi was in an isolated not so good mental place in life when he shot Brian. His end goal was actually suicide by cop. He was too cowardly to just shoot himself and he wanted to go out with a BANG/be remembered. He was troubled and lost. Not excuses just my opinion.

He's not a "dumb" criminal but he did do things that appear dumb. The public location he chose to shoot Brian - I am amazed he did not get shot on the spot - at that time of year that block is teeming with people even at that hour and there are always LE closeby plus hotel security etc. It was a miracle he escaped initially,

Luigi scouted the area so he had to have known that. Also the camera's, he had to know the shooting would be caught on tape.

He had no real plans for the "after" - a bus to Altoona?
Improvistional IMO. He was making it up as he went.
He had the cash to do far better and to have gotten himself out of town and country. Why didn't he? Its not bc he is stupid - he knows how to travel and make arrangements - he thought he would be dead - he just wanted to be dead.

Obvi just my opinion

 

[Serononin]

Everything does not have to be so black and white.

I believe that Luigi is the shooter and
I also believe that LE does not always follow procedure
And that they can make grievous errors

<modsnip:wrong thread for this comment>

IMO that is not what is happening here
There are just decisions by LE that are questionable and prob not by the book
and they should be called out for sure
For any criminal to be let loose bc of a techicality should not happen
It makes my blood boil
I don't think that will happen here
But the 11 or 12 minute gap where the Altoona cops turned off their body cams concerns me
Also if true, that they found no gun on their initial search of his knapsack but found it on the second search
a while later after it was in their custody - that's a problem for me too
Were these cops told "Listen this is high profile make it look convincing/make it stick?
Would not be the first time imo

I stated it from the start, I think Luigi was in an isolated not so good mental place in life when he shot Brian. His end goal was actually suicide by cop. He was too cowardly to just shoot himself and he wanted to go out with a BANG/be remembered. He was troubled and lost. Not excuses just my opinion.

He's not a "dumb" criminal but he did do things that appear dumb. The public location he chose to shoot Brian - I am amazed he did not get shot on the spot - at that time of year that block is teeming with people even at that hour and there are always LE closeby plus hotel security etc. It was a miracle he escaped initially,

Luigi scouted the area so he had to have known that. Also the camera's, he had to know the shooting would be caught on tape.

He had no real plans for the "after" - a bus to Altoona?
Improvistional IMO. He was making it up as he went.
He had the cash to do far better and to have gotten himself out of town and country. Why didn't he? Its not bc he is stupid - he knows how to travel and make arrangements - he thought he would be dead - he just wanted to be dead.

Obvi just my opinion

I agree with everything except the suicide-by-cop part. IMO the notes about transport options and staying ahead of the FBI, and the large amount of cash really makes it seem like he planned to get away.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

No, Mangione, you are the reason the death penalty is being sought.

Yes, but his attorney has to ask why they are seeking the DP for him and not for most other people who commit murder in N.Y.

 

[lonetraveler]

Yes, but his attorney has to ask why they are seeking the DP for him and not for most other people who commit murder in N.Y.

I know his attorney has to ask why. His attorney doesn't have much to work with so he has to pull everything out of the magic hat.

 

[mrC]

ithink hes atorney has a hel of a lot to work with like the missing 11 minutes of bodycam footage what was going on those 11 minutesand also the multiple searchs of the bag why wasnt one search enough theres certanly plenty to use there

 

[ChatteringBirds]

He had the cash to do far better and to have gotten himself out of town and country. Why didn't he? Its not bc he is stupid - he knows how to travel and make arrangements - he thought he would be dead - he just wanted to be dead.

Or didn't really want to die but was okay with the possibility.

I think he didn't have any long-term vision for his life, a problem many people have. He planned this murder for the "thrill," but didn't plan the aftermath well. He froze with inaction after the murder, because creating a mystery future alone abroad would be even tougher than in his own country, so he decided lay low.
And see if he got away with it.

I know his attorney has to ask why. His attorney doesn't have much to work with so he has to pull everything out of the magic hat.

Magic hat (-:

Seriously, though, the evidence seems there, IMO. But I think they might not get a jury to agree to DP.

 

[TalkToTofana]

For any criminal to be let loose bc of a techicality should not happen
It makes my blood boil

Any alleged criminal should be "let loose" if there are egregious due process violations. No one deserves to have their civil rights violated. It is the foundation of our criminal justice system.

I share your frustration when the state or LEO botch a case. It is enraging when that happens. However, I would rather see the most evil person get to walk then see anyone have their civil rights violated. We all need to have our civil rights respected.

 

[SaraSmile]

Yes, but his attorney has to ask why they are seeking the DP for him and not for most other people who commit murder in N.Y.

Yes, I wondered, too! I think it’s because of the “intent” of the crime. Luigi did not have a close up, personal beef with Thompson, didn’t even personally know him, just looked him up. The murder was researched and planned, meant to send a clear message that Health Insurance Companies are greedy, corrupt. The govt said this method for encouraging social change is considered terrorism. Also, Luigi shot on a crowded street in midtown NYC, endangering others.
Govt may be threatening to impose DP, as a bargaining chip. Probably end up LWOP. I think I read Feds almost always settle( plea), no trial. So terrorism and shooting on a crowded street= possible DP for Feds.

Last note: I wondered if Luigi’s back disability issues will come into play, possible mitigating circumstance, because he was in Chronic pain at such a young age. He had grown despondent and cut off many friends,family the previous year. Life had become small for him, he felt trapped in his own body. Of course, no excuse, He should not have lashed out, taken it out on Thompson. Somehow, Luigi had developed a huge grudge toward the healthcare system.
I am not supportive of Luigi actions, just reviewing the issues at play. I think he is going away. Karen I. will do what she can…