NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #2

[VAres67]

Why would he target Brian Thompson and not the CEO of UnitedHealth Group, Andrew Witty? I believe Witty was also there for the meeting. <modsnip: Not victim friendly>

Maybe Witty had the security detail. Maybe the target was whoever was found first. It’ll be interesting to see what the answer is.

 

[Inthedetails]

Welll I am so glad you asked!

UHC paid the hackers $22 million in bitcoin to release their servers.
Worth noting that they had had plenty of time to clone them, so they got $2illion in untraceable cryptocurrency AND all the personal data on the entire UHC server network.
This data, I believe, would easily motivate plenty of people to be hostile—they’d have a bird’s eye view of the company’s actions… so if you wanted, say, to be a modern anti-hero…

Link to source: Ransomware attack has cost UnitedHealth $872 million; total expected to surpass $1 billion

But UHC did pay? So I guess there isn't a hacker who is sending a message to other CEO's that they'd better pay up if attacked?

Just thinking this theory through....

jmo

 

[dotr]

After fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, here's what we know

Details are emerging after a gunman shot and killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside of a Manhattan hotel. Here's what we know.

www.cbsnews.com

This map shows a timeline of the deadly shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on Dec. 4, 2024 in New York City. CBS News

 

[Inthedetails]

Maybe Witty had the security detail. Maybe the target was whoever was found first. It’ll be interesting to see what the answer is.

Yeah, we don't know if Witty hasn't been tailed this week too.

jmo

 

[armchairagatha]

EBM for typo and clarity.

Welll …

UHC paid the hackers $22 million in bitcoin to release their servers.
Worth noting that they had had plenty of time to clone them, so they got $22 million in untraceable cryptocurrency AND all the personal data on the entire UHC server network. That’s worth a ton on the dark web…

This data, I believe, would also easily motivate plenty of people to be hostile—they’d have a bird’s eye view of the company’s actions… so if you wanted, say, to be a modern anti-hero…you’d have plenty of reasons.

Link to source: Ransomware attack has cost UnitedHealth $872 million; total expected to surpass $1 billion

The attack was on a subsidiary of the parent company UnitedHealth. Nothing to do with Thompson AFAIK.

 

[BackInNewMexico]

I can’t believe after over 40 hours no one has recognised him from the photos. He was also on the phone to someone…

 

[Inthedetails]

The attack was on a subsidiary of the parent company UnitedHealth. Nothing to do with Thompson AFAIK.

Maybe nothing to do with him, except he was the one walking along a sidewalk alone?

I don't know where I'm going with this, but trying to eliminate theories until we know more.

jmo

 

[MassGuy]

I'd love more info about Brian Thompson. Was he an athlete? Was he a crypto fan? Into sports betting? Did he date? How discreetly did he date if so? There are so many possible motives out there, but with little information about BT, it's hard to prognosticate.

In most cases I desperately want to know information like that; here I don't care nearly as much as I usually do.

You have a killer that traveled from somewhere down south to murder his victim (apparently not from the victim's neck of the woods). He chose to kill in a very public place, knowing full well the act would be caught on camera.

Some of the rounds had markings that seem to indicate some sort of ideological motive, or grudge against the industry/company.

Everything we've seen here indicates to me that this guy wanted to send a message, and that this was not some personal grievance.

I think this will all come into focus in short order. Just got to catch this guy.

 

[getthefax]

But UHC did pay? So I guess there isn't a hacker who is sending a message to other CEO's that they'd better pay up if attacked?

Just thinking this theory through....

jmo

They paid.

I don’t really know more than what I’ve stated opined here— I feel this is a killing motivated by rising class warfare worldwide. They snatched the servers, got paid, and are now apparently putting rhe execs on notice.

It is still just a working hypothesis, but to me it makes more sense than other ideas (I briefly entertained the personal angle early yesterday but shifted my thinking once we learned about the writings on the casings).

 

[otto]

Trust me, he doesn't look neither Slavic nor Eastern European. You think "Slavic" because areas where Southern Slavs lived were under the Ottoman Empire, so there is a huge Turkish admixture there, but it is not a Slavic look

. I think he is not a typical Slav because he has pretty dense facial hair growth. Dense and dark. For this reason, I don't think he is Mexican, either (although some parts of Mexico are becoming a huge melting pot.)

- to say Americans are unfamiliar with dark web or cryptocurrency is to sell them very short. JMO.

- I doubt that anyone would need to bring a gun into US, lol. Why? It is like traveling with own pot to the US.

Now, he might have been raised in one of immigrant communities from the Postsoviet place, but even so, I feel he is probably raised in the US.

It makes almost no sense to import a sole killer from abroad now. Expensive and actually, can be easier traced to the customer. I am not in that area but think that para-casinos human trafficking can have some mafia involvement, but these are usually groups.

As to, "no one stepped", if it was a statement, consider that he has already made it. No need in manifestos with our modern echo chambers. I think he may be affiliated with a group, but the group is not interested in advertising the emergence of a new planned activity. We can guess what they want.

If the plan is terror (not sure yet), then it is not a political protest. Very interesting. It is economical protest. Insurance companies are monopolies. People whose protests don't target ideology, but the way the economy is run have to minimally understand this economy. They are usually younger. I am not even sure if it is anti-capitalist protest. It is the protest against how the monopolies are run, "make them better." "Improve them." He didn't write "free healthcare" on the bullets. He actually was protesting against the denials.

(If it was his plan. Could be perfectly personal, after all.)

Yes, he does have distinctive features. Foremost is his big nose. That's not Northern European or Mexican, maybe Spanish or Portuguese. Is his nose cartridge bent, or is the photo distorted like the Mamluken. He appears to have had a broken nose in the second photo. In the first photo, he looks like he has dark eyebrows and a sharp chin.

This murder does not strike me as "terror". It does seem ideological.

 

[DizzyB]

ETA: link and make correction

IIRC, Ford Lyft got a contract with NYC to be the official “e-bike” rental retailer across the city. Citibike is an arm of Ford Lyft . I’ll find the article and return with the link. Here is the link.

But his bike was NOT a Citibike, as was first thought.

E-bike rentals appear to be within his budget-less than 50 bucks for a couple of hours. I imagine bike rental places require more than just cash and a questionable ID, though.

 

[MesquiteO21]

I know we’re going around in circles on this but the hostel picture where he isn’t smiling…the nose and mouth combo is 100% giving me Eastern European (or Russian) Jewish. The best similarity I can think of off the top of my head is the actor Eric Balfour

Jmo

 

[Van Helsing]

Yes, to me it seems like a lot of the messaging about this murder is happening on the backside. I'm seeing a lot of (paraphrased) "if you think this murder is bad, you should know how many people health insurance murders each year by declining care!" (Not the opinion of this gentle poster.)

In a modern corporation, most employees, even higher-ups, are basically cogs in the system. Realistically BT will be replaced next week with a very similar version of himself and the company will go on. There will be no, significant, lasting changes to the health insurance industry because of this, besides the ending of the poorly timed announcement that a different insurer would be throttling anesthesia coverage for surgeries over a certain length.

With all that said, it seems strange to target such a relatively small fish. If you have a grievance against the health insurance industry, wouldn't you want to target a politician that opposes single payer insurance, for example? The whole thing seems a bit misguided. I'm leaning back towards a personal motive. A motive we may have not an inkling of information about...

Maybe he was just targeting anyone going to that conference and didn't even know who he was killing.

 

[ChrisM]

This May Come To My Conclusion That He Might Of Used The World War 2 Gun Called Welrod Which Was Used By British People In The War. It May Of Jammed Because It Is Old And He Has Been Planning This For Some Time.

he was using a new replica - b&t vp9

 

[otto]

United Health and the victim deployed a faulty AI program that was denying medically necessary claims.

UnitedHealth uses faulty AI to deny elderly patients medically necessary coverage, lawsuit claims

Families of former beneficiaries claim UnitedHealth's AI system "aggressively" rejected claims for medically necessary expenses.

www.cbsnews.com

90% error rate for denial.

Run by a machine while adjustors do what?

 

[Universecalling]

EBM for typo and clarity.

Welll …

UHC paid the hackers $22 million in bitcoin to release their servers.
Worth noting that they had had plenty of time to clone them, so they got $22 million in untraceable cryptocurrency AND all the personal data on the entire UHC server network. That’s worth a ton on the dark web…

This data, I believe, would also easily motivate plenty of people to be hostile—they’d have a bird’s eye view of the company’s actions… so if you wanted, say, to be a modern anti-hero…you’d have plenty of reasons.

Link to source: Ransomware attack has cost UnitedHealth $872 million; total expected to surpass $1 billion

To add to your great point… Change Healthcare, a subsidiary, was most likely the main target for ransom.

Just one simple way the entire industry (including pharmaceutical) was impacted was through halting co pay cards processing, and payments. Many people had to switch to generics or pay full price for their medicine for few months.
It was crippling physician offices, health systems, and naturally all those that tie in to patient care. Many pharmaceutical companies utilize Change HC for processing. It was wide spread, not just isolated to UHC.

 

[getthefax]

E-bike rentals appear to be within his budget-less than 50 bucks for a couple of hours. I imagine bike rental places require more than just cash and a questionable ID, though.

I doubt he rented a bike. I was just answering the question

 

[Tower]

The thing that most people do not understand about insurance coverage through an employer is that it's actually the employer who decides on what coverage to purchase from a health insurance provider. People like to play the blame game with insurance companies when, in fact, it's the employer that ultimately decides the level of coverage they are willing to offer their employees. The insurance companies just provide the level of service they are paid for.

The problem is insurance companies often do not provide and frequently deny the coverage they are contractually required to provide.

I am a physical therapist and I can tell you every week I order, for example, a wheelchair for a child with special needs, the insurance coverage states that wheelchairs are covered and we spend the next 4-6 months going through insurance denials so the insurance company would be able to avoid paying. We can never get a straight answer as to why it’s being denied and after 25 years I still am guessing what we need to change every time to get an approval.

Many technically “covered” procedures are denied because the paperwork requests are not precise enough and it’s anyone’s guess what the insurance company is requiring this month to approve the procedure. People die waiting for medication or procedure approval.

Through all of this, the coverage STATES they will cover the requested procedure/equipment, but in reality, insurance companies often waste everyone’s time and money denying. Ask any physician or healthcare provider how much time they spend weekly dealing with this.

My own experience

 

[Friday Fan]

After fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, here's what we know

Details are emerging after a gunman shot and killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside of a Manhattan hotel. Here's what we know.

www.cbsnews.com

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This map shows a timeline of the deadly shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson on Dec. 4, 2024 in New York City. CBS News

Wondering where the bike fits in here?

6:15 AM - he's walking up the subway stairs. No bike is present
6:17 AM - he's in Starbucks ( 2 mins later)
6:46 AM -he shoots BT
6:48 AM - he's on the bike

How did the bike get to the scene?
Certainly he would want the bike nearby.
I'm surprised he didn't ride the bike to scene.

I wonder if he had an accomplice?

 

[Inthedetails]

They paid.

I don’t really know more than what I’ve stated opined here— I feel this is a killing motivated by rising class warfare worldwide. They snatched the servers, got paid, and are now apparently putting rhe execs on notice.

It is still just a working hypothesis, but to me it makes more sense than other ideas (I briefly entertained the personal angle early yesterday but shifted my thinking once we learned about the writings on the casings).

I don't think it' s class warfare hit (imo)....but perhaps a hit designed to LOOK like it is and rile people up against each other.

And who would want Americans riled up and accusing each other of bad intentions and bad actions? Who would benefit from that kind of chaos?

That's another question I'm asking, trying to disprove ideas at this point.

jmo