NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #3

[fashionella]

Was the e-bike not a city bike?

definitely NOT a city bike

 

[Zinn]

Your pink arrow is off by a bit. The shooting was by the side street entrance to the Hilton and that side street entrance is much closer to sixth avenue (about where the fifth horizontal dot from the right is.)

I’ve outlined the Hilton in blue and marked the shooting location with a red X. It’s across from the pedestrian plaza adjacent to the Ziegfeld Ballroom. I’ve attached photos of the pedestrian plaza and hotel entrance from inside and outside, as well.

 

[Calisto]

Yes, there are things that point to the possibility of an accomplice (number one being the supposed cell phone call), but I would argue that despite there being some clues that point in that direction, there is probably a very, very low likelihood that there is an accomplice involved. Why ? Because it seems that 98% of these kind of incidents involve only one perpetrator without any accomplice involvement. And the reason that is the case is that its near impossible to convince another person to join one in an assassination plot over things like someone else's personal grievances or over an ideological grudge. No sane person would consider becoming an accomplice to an assassination plot that would offer no rewards, only extreme risk.

 

[getthefax]

exactly, there was someone at BT's hotel, I think the same guy who he met at the Rock 47-50 stop to handoff. The perp went one stop North and the accomplice walked, with the battery, to BT hotel, as soon as BT left his hotel, the accomplice took the bike to the getaway spot where he minded the bike until the murder was done. I assume LE has scoured the Rock Center B/F platform because that is where the handoff HAD to happen for them both to get into position. And like I said, the perp got on the northbound F one stop. And the accomplice HAD to have walked to BT with battery. No way to take subway, he had to have walked

But then why wouldn’t an accomplice already just have the battery before the morning of? Not really a point in meeting that morning, or at all. I agree that he probably had loads of help, but not this type. I am trying but can’t make this particular accomplice scenario make sense… MOO

 

[getthefax]

Was the e-bike not a city bike?

No—LE confirmed not a citibike.

 

[fashionella]

But then why wouldn’t an accomplice already just have the battery before the morning of? Not really a point in meeting that morning, or at all. I agree that he probably had loads of help, but not this type. I am trying but can’t make this particular accomplice scenario make sense… MOO

we know from LE that the perp was seen with an E-bike battery at 5am. He did not emerge from the subway at 6;15 with that battery. He must have handed it off. No way it went in his backpack. No way he put it on the bike and went back into the subway. That makes no sense. Tell me where the battery he picked up at 5am is. And then tell me in the timeline how it got there. Only a handoff makes sense. He emerged from the 57th st subway station without a battery and went to Starbucks.

 

[fashionella]

Yes, there are things that point to the possibility of an accomplice (number one being the supposed cell phone call), but I would argue that despite there being some clues that point in that direction, there is probably a very, very low likelihood that there is an accomplice involved. Why ? Because it seems that 98% of these kind of incidents involve only one perpetrator without any accomplice involvement. And the reason that is the case is that its near impossible to convince another person to join one in an assassination plot over things like someone else's personal grievances or over an ideological grudge. No sane person would consider becoming an accomplice to an assassination plot that would offer no rewards, only extreme risk.

He changed his clothes in CP, we know that. Where are his clothes? Who was watching the Ebike after the murder? Do you think he was going to spend the time unlocking it after he just killed someone on a city street? You can't leave it unattended, it will get stolen in 30 seconds. Lastly, we know he emerged from the subway station and went to the Starbucks, no battery. Unless it was in his backpack but affixing a battery after the murder isn't happening. What am I missing?

 

[Calisto]

As for the e-bike, assuming for the moment that there was no accomplice (why would anyone join an assassination plot !!!), the gunman would have had to have left the ebike unattended for over an hour (from 5:15 am to 6:40.) The risk of the e-bike getting stolen during that time would be extremely high (even at 5am !), so if the gunman was behaving completely rationally, he would have had to lock up the e-bike and take his chances later that he would be able to very, very quickly unlock the bike and escape the area.

 

[Nikynoo]

Yes, there are things that point to the possibility of an accomplice (number one being the supposed cell phone call), but I would argue that despite there being some clues that point in that direction, there is probably a very, very low likelihood that there is an accomplice involved. Why ? Because it seems that 98% of these kind of incidents involve only one perpetrator without any accomplice involvement. And the reason that is the case is that its near impossible to convince another person to join one in an assassination plot over things like someone else's personal grievances or over an ideological grudge. No sane person would consider becoming an accomplice to an assassination plot that would offer no rewards, only extreme risk.

What about a sibling accomplice?

 

[BackInNewMexico]

Yes, there are things that point to the possibility of an accomplice (number one being the supposed cell phone call), but I would argue that despite there being some clues that point in that direction, there is probably a very, very low likelihood that there is an accomplice involved. Why ? Because it seems that 98% of these kind of incidents involve only one perpetrator without any accomplice involvement. And the reason that is the case is that its near impossible to convince another person to join one in an assassination plot over things like someone else's personal grievances or over an ideological grudge. No sane person would consider becoming an accomplice to an assassination plot that would offer no rewards, only extreme risk.

I don’t disagree but to play devils advocate there are cases where there’s two perps/an accomplice, even when there’s a supposed ‘statement’ being made. Timothy McVeigh & Terry Nichols, Columbine, Boston Marathon. I’m not convinced either way. It still blows my mind they are able to find like minded and willing people to fill this role.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

What about a sibling accomplice?

Defo someone lives in NYC… but didn’t want him at their home, or possibly doesn’t live IN Manhattan.

 

[Calisto]

As for the e-bike battery, again assuming just for the moment that there were no accomplices, I would argue that the gunman took the bike battery with him in his back pack, as it would have been very risky to leave a bike battery on an ebike, even if the ebike was very well locked up (the bike battery can usually just be pulled off of the bike.) The guman came to the logical conclusion that he had to take the bike battery with him (lots of ebikers do this.)

 

[fashionella]

As for the e-bike, assuming for the moment that there was no accomplice (why would anyone join an assassination plot !!!), the gunman would have had to have left the ebike unattended for over an hour (from 5:15 am to 6:40.) The risk of the e-bike getting stolen during that time would be extremely high (even at 5am !), so if the gunman was behaving completely rationally, he would have had to lock up the e-bike and take his chances later that he would be able to very, very quickly unlock the bike and escape the area.

at 6:15 he emerged from a subway station that he only could have gotten to, in a roundabout way from 103 st when he picked up the battery. When he got out of this odd station at 6.15 he went straight to the Starbucks. No way he had the battery at that point. And no way he put it on the ebike that was on 55st, time doesn't allow that. He did not put the battery on the bike. It's impossible to do without an accomplice. The timeline doesn't work and the subways don't work.

 

[Calisto]

I don’t disagree but to play devils advocate there are cases where there’s two perps/an accomplice, even when there’s a supposed ‘statement’ being made. Timothy McVeigh & Terry Nichols, Columbine, Boston Marathon. I’m not convinced either way. It still blows my mind they are able to find like minded and willing people to fill this role.

Excellent (devil's advocate) point !!! Yes, there have been a few cases where an assassin was able to recruit others, but that's proabably less than one percent of cases, as its near impossible to convince another person to join one in an assassination plot that has no reward and only extreme risk to one's life.

 

[Nikynoo]

at 6:15 he emerged from a subway station that he only could have gotten to, in a roundabout way from 103 st when he picked up the battery. When he got out of this odd station at 6.15 he went straight to the Starbucks. No way he had the battery at that point. And no way he put it on the ebike that was on 55st, time doesn't allow that. He did not put the battery on the bike. It's impossible to do without an accomplice. The timeline doesn't work and the subways don't work.

why do you think he did not have the battery with him? How big/heavy would it be?

 

[fashionella]

at 6:15 he emerged from a subway station that he only could have gotten to, in a roundabout way from 103 st when he picked up the battery. When he got out of this odd station at 6.15 he went straight to the Starbucks. No way he had the battery at that point. And no way he put it on the ebike that was on 55st, time doesn't allow that. He did not put the battery on the bike. It's impossible to do without an accomplice. The timeline doesn't work and the subways don't work.

and I tried to explain why upthread. FACT-he picked up the battery at 5am. FACT he took the subway downtown with the battery. FACT-the only subway that goes south from 103 that stops in the vicinity is the B train and it DOES NOT stop at the 57th st stop, where he emerged at 6.15, before going to Starbucks at 6.17. FACT-he must have gotten off the B train at Rockafeller center or a stop south of that. Most likely rock center, then taken the F across the platform to get to the station he emerged from at 6.15. If he was alone, he would have gotten off at the Rock center subway, walked to 55 st, put the battery on and then how did he get back in the subway? No way, not possible. He had to have an accomplice

 

[fashionella]

why do you think he did not have the battery with him? How big/heavy would it be?

because after the murder on a crowded NYC street, NO PLAN would include unlocking a bike, unzipping a backpack, taking out a battery, putting it on, starting the bike and leaving. 10 people would have tackled him by then. The bike had to be AT THE READY with someone guarding it

 

[getthefax]

we know from LE that the perp was seen with an E-bike battery at 5am. He did not emerge from the subway at 6;15 with that battery. He must have handed it off. No way it went in his backpack. No way he put it on the bike and went back into the subway. That makes no sense. Tell me where the battery he picked up at 5am is. And then tell me in the timeline how it got there. Only a handoff makes sense. He emerged from the 57th st subway station without a battery and went to Starbucks.

Could you explain why a small e-bike battery couldn’t go in his backpack? I mean— that’s what everyone I know does with them.
He wasn’t likely seen carrying the battery for long…

 

[Jamara3]

Excellent (devil's advocate) point !!! Yes, there have been a few cases where an assassin was able to recruit others, but that's proabably less than one percent of cases, as its near impossible to convince another person to join one in an assassination plot that has no reward and only extreme risk to one's life.

There could be a reward though. The insider trading allegations and this occurring on the morning of the annual investors conference seems very pointed, like a message from someone who felt wronged or someone paranoid about him flipping. Either of those persons would have been attendees at this conference. There are so many places and ways to assassinate someone, especially given that he lives in Minnesota. Seemed it was meant to be this public. So many scenarios possible though, hopefully time will tell.

 

[fashionella]

Could you explain why a small e-bike battery couldn’t go in his backpack? I mean— that’s what everyone I know does with them.
He wasn’t likely seen carrying the battery for long…

because that would include him putting on a battery and unlocking a bike after the murder. NO way.