NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #3

[getthefax]

because after the murder on a crowded NYC street, NO PLAN would include unlocking a bike, unzipping a backpack, taking out a battery, putting it on, starting the bike and leaving. 10 people would have tackled him by then. The bike had to be AT THE READY with someone guarding it

I’m going to respectfully disagree. The bike could have easily been stashed in the greenery in one of those roundabouts in the pedestrian walkway (which was probably dark/not very populated at that hour—it’s why the bike was there in that walkway in the first place).

No one was hanging around there reading or visiting anyone—and we saw how the one bystander scurried away from the shooter. No one was doing any tackling—the shots were quiet, and very few people even fully watched what went down or were prepared to act.

I hear that you’re convinced there’s “no way” but it makes much more sense that he just placed the bike frame in advance, popped the battery on it on before Starbucks, and that he just left the bike ready to go for a few minutes. There are magnetic locks etc that are very fast to unlock, and e-bikes start with a push button. The guy practiced this.

I feel pretty sure that there wasn’t another person there to send him away on a bike, for that person also would potentially be apprehended. I think It dramatically increases the likelihood of being caught to have 2 people on site, and not the other way around…

All MOO

 

[fashionella]

Could you explain why a small e-bike battery couldn’t go in his backpack? I mean— that’s what everyone I know does with them.
He wasn’t likely seen carrying the battery for long…

He could, but it doesn't explain his subway route. By your reasoning, he would have to have gotten off the B Rock 47-50 stop, walked to 55 st to the locked bike. Put on the battery, then...how did he get to the F train he emerged from? No now would take a subway in circles from 55 st to get off at 57st. It's not possible at all.

 

[fashionella]

I’m going to respectfully disagree. The bike could have easily been stashed in the greenery in one of those roundabouts in the pedestrian walkway (which was probably dark/not very populated at that hour—it’s why the bike was there in that walkway in the first place).

No one was hanging around there reading or visiting anyone—and we saw how the one bystander scurried away from the shooter. No one was doing any tackling—the shots were quiet, and very few people even fully watched what went down or were prepared to act.

I hear that you’re convinced there’s “no way” but it makes much more sense that he just placed the bike frame in advance, popped the battery on it on before Starbucks, and that he just left the bike ready to go for a few minutes. There are magnetic locks etc that are very fast to unlock, and e-bikes start with a push button. The guy practiced this.

I feel pretty sure that there wasn’t another person there to send him away on a bike, for that person also would potentially be apprehended. I think It dramatically increases the likelihood of being caught to have 2 people on site, and not the other way around…

All MOO

Popping the bittery on, before Starbucks is possible. But emerging at the F strain station is not possible. Explain the route he took after putting the battery on the bike that gets him to the F strain 57stoo that he emerged from at 6.15. Tell me specifically his route that ended him in the Starbucks

 

[getthefax]

because that would include him putting on a battery and unlocking a bike after the murder. NO way.

Saying there is no way and there actually being no way are two different things. A battery pops into place and the bike starts with a button. locks can be magnetic and simply left behind… It seems very clean, especially at 6:40am when it’s still dark outside and the world is just coming to life right there.

Respectfully, I think until we know what kind of bike/battery, we simply cannot make this deduction with 100% certainty, especially since having another body right there on site assisting would increase the chances of their being caught, and there are cameras everywheee. Why no shots of the accomplice then?

 

[fashionella]

Saying there is no way and there actually being no way are two different things. A battery pops into place and the bike starts with a button. locks can be magnetic and simply left behind… It seems very clean, especially at 6:40am when it’s still dark outside and the world is just coming to life right there.

Respectfully, I think until we know what kind of bike/battery, we simply cannot make this deduction with 100% certainty, especially since having another body right there on site assisting would increase the chances of their being caught, and there are cameras everywheee. Why no shots of the accomplice then?

I'll go along with the, frankly insane, theory that he shot a guy in public, then unlocked a bike, then unzipped his backpack, got out a battery, put on the battery and left the scene. Now explain to me how he emerged from the F station when there is no F train from the UWS.

 

[Calisto]

at 6:15 he emerged from a subway station that he only could have gotten to, in a roundabout way from 103 st when he picked up the battery. When he got out of this odd station at 6.15 he went straight to the Starbucks. No way he had the battery at that point. And no way he put it on the ebike that was on 55st, time doesn't allow that. He did not put the battery on the bike. It's impossible to do without an accomplice. The timeline doesn't work and the subways don't work.

Your analysis is excellent !!! Like you, I am intimately familiar with the subways and how long it could take to get from point A to point B in Manhattan. I also was considering writing up a post talking about how the gunman was able to get from West 103rd street to the 57th street subway station on the F line in no longer than 60 minutes (the gunman wanted to be at the venue plenty early.)

As you, someone intimately familiar with the subway may know, the only way to go from West 103rd street to the 57th street station of the F line is by taking two subway trains: the first train is to take the B line from the West 103rd street subway station and then changing trains at the 50 street station for the F line train. What the gunman surely/probably did not know (I am assuming for the moment that the gunman is not a Manhattanite) is that at 5am, one could be stuck waiting a surprisingly longish amount of time waititing for the slow poke B and F trains to arrive. That being said, even with the extra waiting times, its entirely possible that the gunman could make that subway journey in the 60 minute time slot he alloted himself.

 

[fashionella]

Your analysis is excellent !!! Like you, I am intimatey familiar with the subways and how long it could take to get from point A to point B in Manhattan. I also was considering righting up a post talking about how the gunman was able to get from West 103rd street to the 57th street subway station on the F line.

As you, someone intimately familiar with the subway may know, the only way to go from West 103rd street to the 57th street station of the F line is by taking two subway trains: the first train is to take the B line from the West 103rd street subway station and then changing trains at the 50 street station for the F line train. What the gunman did not know (I am assuming for the moment that the gunman is not a Manhattanite) is that at 5am, one could be stuck waiting a surprisingly longish amount of time waititing for the slow poke B and F trains to arrive.

Thank you, someone who gets it.

 

[OneLove]

Saying there is no way and there actually being no way are two different things. A battery pops into place and the bike starts with a button. locks can be magnetic and simply left behind… It seems very clean, especially at 6:40am when it’s still dark outside and the world is just coming to life right ther

Respectfully, I think until we know what kind of bike/battery, we simply cannot make this deduction with 100% certainty, especially since having another body right there on site assisting would increase the chances of their being caught, and there are cameras everywheee. Why no shots of the accomplice then?

 

[Calisto]

Could you explain why a small e-bike battery couldn’t go in his backpack? I mean— that’s what everyone I know does with them.
He wasn’t likely seen carrying the battery for long…

Not always, but on average, Ebike batteries tend to be rather large, heavy (maybe 10 lbs or more) and cumbersome.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

…. Or getting even regarding shares manipulation — Take short position on United Healthcare stock and watch the stock tumble & collect proceeds after CEO murdered. Get rich quick … reverse GameStop?

 

[OneLove]

It seems possible that he could have bought an ebike from an individual, paid only for the battery beforehand and arranged for the bike to be delivered to exactly the spot he needed it at exactly the time he needed it in exchange for the rest of the cash at that time. His phone call as he approached BT may have been to confirm the ebike was at the ready around the corner. He shoots, rounds the corner, pulls the battery from his pack immediately after he drops his phone and water bottle, reaches the innocent bike hawker, hands off the cash, pops the battery on and goes, all in less than 1 minute. The person I know has a battery she pops in her tote bag while shopping and pops it in quickly and easily when ready and pushes a button and is off and running again. It doesn't seem too complicated. His gun would have been out of his bag and hidden in his jacket while approaching BT and put back in pack after pulling out the battery. He may have practiced that maneuver over and over just the way he obviously practiced firing the gun and clearing jams.

 

[fashionella]

Thank you, someone who gets it.

Your analysis is excellent !!! Like you, I am intimately familiar with the subways and how long it could take to get from point A to point B in Manhattan. I also was considering writing up a post talking about how the gunman was able to get from West 103rd street to the 57th street subway station on the F line in no longer than 60 minutes (the gunman wanted to be at the venue plenty early.)

As you, someone intimately familiar with the subway may know, the only way to go from West 103rd street to the 57th street station of the F line is by taking two subway trains: the first train is to take the B line from the West 103rd street subway station and then changing trains at the 50 street station for the F line train. What the gunman did not know (I am assuming for the moment that the gunman is not a Manhattanite) is that at 5am, one could be stuck waiting a surprisingly longish amount of time waititing for the slow poke B and F trains to arrive.

It seems possible that he could have bought an ebike from an individual, paid only for the battery beforehand and arranged for the bike to be delivered to exactly the spot he needed it at exactly the time he needed it in exchange for the rest of the cash at that time. His phone call as he approached BT may have been to confirm the ebike was at the ready around the corner. He shoots, rounds the corner, pulls the battery from his pack immediately after he drops his phone and water bottle, reaches the innocent bike hawker, hands off the cash, pops the battery on and goes, all in less than 1 minute. The person I know has a battery she pops in her tote bag while shopping and pops it in quickly and easily when ready and pushes a button and is off and running again. It doesn't seem too complicated. His gun would have been out of his bag and hidden in his jacket while approaching BT and put back in pack after pulling out the battery. He may have practiced that maneuver over and over just the way he obviously practiced firing the gun and clearing jams.

It's a known fact per NYPD that the perp went to the Douglas houses at 5 am and picked up a bike battery. If the battery fit in his backpack, the cops woulndn't have been able to identify it. Even if it did end up in his backpack, how and when did it end up on the bike. Trust me the Douglas houses aren't your friendly Ebike rental agency. It's the "projects"

 

[getthefax]

Not always, but on average, Ebike batteries tend to be rather large, heavy (maybe 10 lbs or more) and cumbersome.

Thanks. I appreciate the respectful response.

My e-bike battery weighs 8 pounds and pops into my bike with a magnet. My lock opens with a code that is shorter than the one for my phone (4 digits). It’s lightning fast. Everything fits in a small backpack.

 

[OneLove]

Your analysis is excellent !!! Like you, I am intimately familiar with the subways and how long it could take to get from point A to point B in Manhattan. I also was considering writing up a post talking about how the gunman was able to get from West 103rd street to the 57th street subway station on the F line in no longer than 60 minutes (the gunman wanted to be at the venue plenty early.)

As you, someone intimately familiar with the subway may know, the only way to go from West 103rd street to the 57th street station of the F line is by taking two subway trains: the first train is to take the B line from the West 103rd street subway station and then changing trains at the 50 street station for the F line train. What the gunman surely/probably did not know (I am assuming for the moment that the gunman is not a Manhattanite) is that at 5am, one could be stuck waiting a surprisingly longish amount of time waititing for the slow poke B and F trains to arrive. That being said, even with the extra waiting times, its entirely possible that the gunman could make that subway journey in the 60 minute time slot he alloted himself.

And it seems likely he practiced this multiple times before the final "for real" one. He likely didnt want to be hanging around for very long before the hit, just enough to blend in and look normal.

 

[OneLove]

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It's a known fact per NYPD that the perp went to the Douglas houses at 5 am and picked up a bike battery. If the battery fit in his backpack, the cops woulndn't have been able to identify it. Even if it did end up in his backpack, how and when did it end up on the bike. Trust me the Douglas houses aren't your friendly Ebike rental agency. It's the "projects"

Could he have arranged for the battery buy a day or so before along with the delivery of the bike around the corner from the shooting? The person who handed off the battery didnt necessarily have to be the same person who delivered the bike. Bike delivery could have even been made by riding the bike there with a different battery than the one he had in his pack. Someone selling this ebike "off label" cough cough, could easily have been enticed by ample payment. They may well have had zero knowledge of his plans and wouldn't step forward after the fact due to the nature cough cough of his "business".

 

[Calisto]

Supersleuths, This mystery is actually simple and very obvious, once you think about it for just a moment. The only explanation that makes any bit of sense, is an explanation that has yet to be mentioned, and, that is that this guy is simply insane. The gunman's insane mind led him to believe that he needs to kill this CEO. Who else but an insane person would undertake a plan that is very likely to be a suicide mission (going up against a very high profile's person's security team !!!) As for the other explanations, I think one could make rather convincing arguments why each of those theories have a rather low liklihood of being valid.

 

[MinnesotaMary]

Supersleuths, This mystery is actually simple and very obvious, once you think about it for just a moment. The only explanation that makes any bit of sense, is an explanation that has yet to be mentioned, and, that is that this guy is simply insane. The gunman's insane mind led him to believe that he needs to kill this CEO. Who else but an insane person would undertake a plan that is very likely to be a suicide mission (going up against a very high profile's person's security team !!!) As for the other explanations, I think one could make rather convincing arguments why each of those theories have a rather low liklihood of being valid.

With respect there was zero security. <modsnip - not victim friendly>

 

[Calisto]

With respect there was zero security. <modsnip - not vicim friendly>

That's true, when the gunman attacked, there was no security, but he was incredibly lucky. Any sane person planning to assassinate a high profile individual who is attending a high profile event would have to assume that there would be lots of impenetrable security around the high profile individual.

 

[getthefax]

That being said, even with the extra waiting times, its entirely possible that the gunman could make that subway journey in the 60 minute time slot he alloted himself.

RSBBM

Maps clocks that trip right now, at the hour it would have been occurring, at about 17 minutes, but advises there may be delays.
Would that not have allowed enough time for him to hoof it the rest of the way if he’d been delayed by the slowpoke trains?

Thanks in advance— I’m thinking an hour was enough time, and that he had padding in the schedule.

I think he actually went to the Douglass houses to pick up the weapon, which would have been very risky to have in a shared room at a hostel, and had the battery out on purpose to make it seem like he just got a battery there (to explain his “business” there). All MOO.

Time will tell how this all unfolded…

 

[Nikynoo]

Supersleuths, This mystery is actually simple and very obvious, once you think about it for just a moment. The only explanation that makes any bit of sense, is an explanation that has yet to be mentioned, and, that is that this guy is simply insane. The gunman's insane mind led him to believe that he needs to kill this CEO. Who else but an insane person would undertake a plan that is very likely to be a suicide mission (going up against a very high profile's person's security team !!!) As for the other explanations, I think one could make rather convincing arguments why each of those theories have a rather low liklihood of being valid.

I think an insane person would have shot more than one person.