NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #5

[jimg77]

BETTYP...aka "super sleuth" & one of the most "spot on thinkers" I follow, btw. Thank you for bolstering my thought...BrianT didn't volunteer to go to investor meeting, he as told to attend??? HE DID NOT HAVE A SECURITY DETAIL. For all intents and purposes, BrianT was an industry "bean counter." We ( in my line of work) always say, "Never turn on the accountant, they knows where all the skeletons are buried." This is almost like the set up in (first 20 pages) of every Grisham I ever read. Hey, none of us can miss the fact LE discovered "MonopolyMoney" ...the killer must have studied BrianT, knew he was an accountant and the fake money was a final slur on his profession.
Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny said investigators were looking at Thompson’s social media accounts and interviewing employees and family members.
“Didn’t seem like he had any issues at all,” Kenny said. “He did not have a security detail.”
"The University of Iowa graduate began his career as a certified public accountant at PwC and had little name recognition beyond the health care industry. Even to investors who own its stock, the parent company’s face belonged to CEO Andrew Witty, a knighted British triathlete who has testified before Congress."

UnitedHealthcare CEO kept a low public profile. Then he was shot to death in New York

Brian Thompson led one of the biggest health insurers in the US but was unknown to millions of people his decisions affected.

apnews.com

PS...Just my feelings based on what we have heard, watched & read so far.

I believe whoever is the top security director for UHC is responsible for dropping the ball. Why no security detail? At what level did that directive come from especially with credible treats against BT. There are a lot of questions that need to be answered by the security department of UHC.
JMO

 

[CrimeDawg123]

If he has gone out of the US, what happens next if they identify him?

US Marshalls will find him.

 

[warp3dwing]

ETA: It looks like someone may have already been pointing this out a few posts up

It appears he has a backpack on under the jacket in this side photo. This would support speculation of dressing and shedding in layers.IMO

FBI releases new poster, photos of UnitedHealthcare CEO murder suspect

The FBI revealed a new wanted poster for the suspect in the murder case for UnitedHealthCare CEO Brian Thompson.

www.foxnews.com

Good eye. It could be a small sling type bag. I have one from Patagonia that would fit nicely under a jacket so long as it wasn’t overstuffed.

 

[Agatha3]

The bike.
There's 2-4 minutes between being seen on the bike, and hailing a cab with no bike. Did he have a fold up bike that's locked to a lamp post?

He was in NYC for 10 days before the murder. The first thing he did was take a cab between the planned murder site and the Port Authority bus depot - where he was last seen. He probably scoped out a place to get rid of the bike and the gun parts.

Wonder (!) if he booked in for ten days so he could grow a beard after his check-in photo? It’s coming on nicely in the masked cab photo.

 

[eddie_van]

Wonder (!) if he booked in for ten days so he could grow a beard after his check-in photo? It’s coming on nicely in the masked cab photo.

that's a very interesting theory, and would just be another in depth piece of planning if so. seems like every angle was thought of.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Do they usually do that? Am new here so holding off on the name seems unusual; also they backtracked that claim. As of now it seems they have no identity for the POI.

I don't know about usually, but there have been plenty of cases in which he identity of the suspect was known to LE but not to the public until an arrest was made. Bryan Kohberger, for example.

LE never wants to tip off a perpetrator that they have him or her in their sights. That could lead to, at the very least, the perp destroying evidence.

 

[whitelilac]

Wonder (!) if he booked in for ten days so he could grow a beard after his check-in photo? It’s coming on nicely in the masked cab photo.

Since it was stated by the roommates that he never took his mask off, he probably didn't shave anyway. The bathrooms were communal. Besides, he had other preoccupations.

 

[CityKid]

What are the odds he just found a taxi that quickly? Any chance that image of his making a phone call was actually him booking the taxi beforehand and that's why he got rid of the phone soon after the shooting? Jmoo (the opinion of someone totally unfamiliar with NYC's taxi situation)

In midtown, near hotels, it's easy to get a cab quickly.

 

[acutename]

This sounds right, BUT... I also heard the suspect was definitely on that northbound Greyhound bus after it stopped in Washington DC. This news from about 1-2 days ago (sorry, I have no link for that, but you can search with DC on Google for it) said police believe that he boarded the bus between Atlanta and Washington DC.

So that story, if it is correct, makes the suspect's travel more complex than just going from somewhere in NJ to NYC and back to that NJ location again. BTW, one other thing to consider is that NYPD sent an investigative team to Alanta (as per several mainstream media sources over the last day or so). Honestly, why would they do that if the suspect did go through Atlanta at least once as part of his recent travel?

1. talk to the bus driver
2. talk to the dispatcher
3. check out a bus- seats, storage compartments, etc.
4. talk to the bus cleaners
5. talk to anyone who dealt with payments

 

[MrsWatson]

I think he doesn’t have an active presence anywhere in the world. In other words, comes from a very remote area where people are not normally socially active on the Internet. There are many such places off the grid so to speak in the world.

How does that square with his acclimation to NYC and the confidence and ease he showed while riding the bike in the city traffic? Knowing all the ways in and out on Central Park, the bus station, etc? If he is from a remote region, how is he so well versed in English to be able to get around NYC? Why would he be remotely interested in something going on in the US if he lives in an area without internet? How would he even know?

 

[Inthedetails]

Since it was stated by the roommates that he never took his mask off, he probably didn't shave anyway. The bathrooms were communal. Besides, he had other preoccupations.

And maybe he felt he had to grow the beard after showing his face at the hostel check-in desk. Keeps his mask on for 10 days straight, and his image is broadcast with (and without) the mask....but now he has a beard.

I don't know if that happened, but it would make sense.

jmopinion

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

I think they collected trash at his parent's home and genially matched that to the DNA previously found at the crime scene? If I remember that right.

I thought that they had detectives sitting outside his PA home. Bryan took out the trash and put it in the neighbor's trash can (if I am not imagining this). That's when the detectives confiscated the trash because at that point it is public property.

JMO.

 

[Inthedetails]

How does that square with his acclimation to NYC and the confidence and ease he showed while riding the bike in the city traffic? Knowing all the ways in and out on Central Park, the bus station, etc? If he is from a remote region, how is he so well versed in English to be able to get around NYC? Why would he be remotely interested in something going on in the US if he lives in an area without internet? How would he even know?

I agree. Wherever he is from, he's comfortable in at least urban areas in general and probably NYC specifically.

jmo

 

[SlimPickens]

At this point, if there is no breakthrough in the next couple of days, people are going to move on. LE will lose the momentum of public interest. LE and the FBI will of course continue their investigation behind the scenes but I suspect with no new major news, public interest in this case will quickly dissipate. Already on this board, it is mostly the same old theories being rehashed because we don’t have much new material to dissect and discuss.

I'm sure they're chomping at the bit for the "next big thing" in the news cycle to take the focus away from this case. In the meantime, they'll keep putting out ambiguous narratives and confident non-statements like "we'll find him" and "we are close" so that the public doesn't suspect they've been outsmarted by a Marxist evangelist/voracious consumer of Men's Health magazine.

JMO.

 

[jesse]

Agree. Since COVID especially, I've found all companies I deal with have gone to a much more casual dress code. It's been a combination of younger employees/different generations coming on board and work-from-home years and hybrid IME. Much more casual dress codes.

This was before Covid, but I was interviewing in the city and one of the first things my soon-to-be-boss and I bonded over was that neither of us liked to be bothered with a long coat in winter when we were already wearing a suit. Just too many layers and annoying when you're just going a short way.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

I thought someone upthread said the side door didn't open until 8am.

That was my recollection from the beginning of the thread. Will see if I can find it.

I can't quote directly from the first thread, now closed, but in post #750 of thread #1, @Boodles said:

"He was only walking by the side door to get to the front entrance of the Hilton. The side doors remain locked until 8am. The route from his hotel took him directly down 54th St to get to the front entrance."

 

[branmuffin]

Yes I was wondering about fake eyelashes as well.

I think his brows and eyelashes are his own. How many women jokingly complain that some men have longer, thicker eyelashes than women. I think this guy is just like J D Vance who was blessed with thick or double rows of eyelashes like Elizabeth Taylor. Since testosterone plays a role in physical characteristics like hair growth it's not that unusual. Depending on his ethnicity or heredity he may be doubly blessed. JMO

 

[Vegasgrl]

I believe whoever is the top security director for UHC is responsible for dropping the ball. Why no security detail? At what level did that directive come from especially with credible treats against BT. There are a lot of questions that need to be answered by the security department of UHC.
JMO

BT could and did refuse the security detail he was entitled to. Can't find the quote, but his company addressed this days ago, and it wasn't the first instance of traveling for business without security.

 

[99cats]

I'm still strongly in the "this was an ideological-driven, theatrical murder" camp.. but I do find it interesting that a manifesto of some sort hasn't been found and/or released. This guy, from the taunting hints to the brazenness of the attacks, strikes me as a narcissist who believes he has the moral high ground. I'm surprised we haven't seen anything released from him online.

 

[justtrish]

Well those new photos show that he is a very skinny guy. Some of the earlier photos where the top looks bulky really lead me to believe he had many layers of clothing on or possibly a bag under his coat due to just how small his legs are. I can see having that puffy jacket because it can easily hide things, but there is no hiding tiny legs in what looks like skinny jeans or similar pants.