NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #6

[RobSA]

I will bet a bag full of monopoly money that the shooter did a couple of practice runs. This was not a plan that was made up on the fly. I'll bet he walked the route from the shooting location to where he had a bike stashed and rode it through the park.

You are probably right. Maybe even at the same time of the morning to get a feel for the people that are around and what path to take. Where you might see police around. Are there other bikers like me where I wouldn't stand out?

 

[mrstfs]

So how old does he look? 17-18? I have asked this before and not gotten many answers. I think he looks 22-23, maybe 24-26.

I also think he's modifying his look a bit with cosmetics - but we shall see. He could be a young-looking 30 year old, frankly.

IMO.

DBM

 

[Deleted member 110281]

Sharing my running theory on this, based on easily 300+ financial services conferences worked in midtown: 9 times out of 10, there is a dry run the afternoon before, a dress rehearsal of sorts. (You never want your CEO feeling like he’s not sure what he’s doing technologically with mikes and earpieces and teleprompters, and you never want him walking out there blind to announce nine figure earnings). I believe BT was at the IC site the afternoon before, and he walked back after to the hotel where he was staying, probably with multiple colleagues as well as with a relatively large and obtrusive security team. They probably changed in their rooms, met back up in the lobby and had an amazing dinner and cocktails somewhere within 20 blocks. (If i had to guess: Avra). My MOO guess is that the shooter saw at least two, if not three, returns to and departures from that hotel by BH in the 24 hours before. He picked up on the preferences.

Very true!

 

[justtrish]

So how old does he look? 17-18? I have asked this before and not gotten many answers. I think he looks 22-23, maybe 24-26.

I also think he's modifying his look a bit with cosmetics - but we shall see. He could be a young-looking 30 year old, frankly.

IMO.

I'd be surprised if he's 21.. but not much over if he is. I think the fake ID could be his actual fake ID.. like he would use to get into places he can't due to being underage. This may not be so elaborate that he acquired a fake ID for this specific crime, he may have just already had one and used it.

 

[10ofRods]

Imagine a dorm room. It's like that. Here's a picture from the HI Hostel where he stayed, so you get the idea..

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Thanks so much!

The hostel gets great ratings on various places and looks quite different from the outside (typical hostel, really).

Apparently, this perp's room was a 3 Bed arrangement - so not quite this bad. But surely tight. I wonder what he did all day for the days he was there.

IMO.

 

[citygirl]

Imagine a dorm room. It's like that. Here's a picture from the HI Hostel where he stayed, so you get the idea..

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I know pics can be deceiving , but it looks pretty good to me.
IMO

 

[PerennialLady]

Makes me wonder who on the inside told the killer the schedule of the CEO and how and where to wait for him?

I ALSO wonder if he was going to "out" execs in the company for insider trading?

 

[Friday Fan]

If he is of ME descent, I think genetic genealogy won't work unless they get lucky and have close family members who test. With me on my dad's side all records end around 1920 or so. (I'm Armenian, so much of our records were literally purged by Turkey)

I have no idea who anyone is that I match with on GedMatch, except one guy is named in my great grandfather's book. However, I'm not sure how I'm related to him, except my GGF states that he met with a relative (who was the father of this man in Detroit. GGF died in 1967) They were arranging a marriage, but it didn't work out. According to DNA, this man is my third cousin, but there is no documentation anywhere. No records exist anywhere overseas or they are so hard to read because they're written in Arabic script Turkish, which requires special translators in Turkey. Arabic Turkish has been obsolete for 10 years.

Good luck with getting help from an Arab country or Iran or wherever his relatives originally came from.

 

[Arkay]

RSBBM

Respectfully, many doctors have committed crimes resulting in harm despite having taken the Hippocratic Oath - not saying he is a doctor, but that would not preclude him from committing a crime.

MOO

Generally agree with you, although I ve been involved with murderous or attempted murderous doctors, so that part doesn't work (and yes, they took their version of the Oath - there's a history of doctors not obeying it and doctors becoming criminals). Dr Death comes to mind but also:

Serial homicide by doctors: Shipman in perspective - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I agree he's likely not a doctor - but it did cross my mind after reading doctors' responses and comments to this event.

Doctors do commit homicide, just saying. Jeffrey McDonald comes to mind. There are many others. Including medical students.

They may not succeed in their murders, but they can attempt them.

IMO.

Yes, absolutely, I’m aware of these cases and I agree.

But this is not that, IMO. Too young, for one. Not a Doogie Howser.

IMO a lot of theories are being conjectured because no one knows exactly what happened, but JUST MY OPINION, some theories are more credible than others.

 

[PerennialLady]

It was, as I understand it, a shareholders meeting. Many people buy 1 share of a stock to get closer to the CEO's/other management during those days (sometimes two days). My understanding is that the first day of this shareholder event (all held at the same hotel) was a run up to the second day, which was the formal meet-the-shareholders day.

So all someone has to do to get access to such events is buy 1 share of stock. Further, the crowd gathers and it's not exactly orderly once it starts (this particular company has had its share of protesters).

If the perp came into town 10 or more days earlier, they had quite a bit of time to scope out the itinerary of the CEO of the company they hated (if that was the motivation).

BT's wife told NBC that he had received death threats. I can understand how he decided to simply defy those threats (he was, after all, paid to do exactly that and I am boggled by his actual paycheck). I am also boggled by this company's reported profits and returns to equity share holders. All of this was the subject matter of this "conference." Feelings were heated.

IMO.

Do you think that the CEO may have been getting ready to "out" some of the company execs for something like insider trading?

 

[m00c0w]

Essentially zero chance of that. An assassination is carried out and the police find a person in NYC by working backwards through hundreds of hours of video footage and identify, within hours, a man staying at a hostel? He was masked the entire time, with one exception. He used a burner phone. He paid cash. They did brilliantly but there’s a limit to how fast any team can work.

It still would have been a very silly strategy, especially when there’s a far safer one that would have had him in Canada in ~6 hours. Assuming that you’re smart enough to have completely foiled police is how criminals get caught. If this guy is as sophisticated as some believe, he’s not going to gamble his freedom and easy potential arrest on whether or not he may have made a tiny mistake that allowed police to identify him quickly.

If he’s leaving the country, crossing a land border is a far better choice in that scenario, by a mile.

JMO

 

[citygirl]

my son got his fake ID in chinatown, you can pick the state. Unfortunately guns are easy too. Options traders are literally college kids who know nothing and eat crayons. See Wall Street Bets.

My nieces and nephews got fake Id’s from China. They came in a box with a toy stuffed animal. Then they cut into the box and all their ID’s fell out. Clever.

 

[armchairagatha]

My son is a college kid and no one in his circle would even dream of pulling something like this off. This guy is a professional even though he is young. I am afraid this was not his first rodeo (killing). I don’t think he is a US college kid. No way. JMO.

my son got his fake ID in chinatown, you can pick the state. Unfortunately guns are easy too. Options traders are literally college kids who know nothing and eat crayons. See Wall Street Bets.

 

[Deleted member 110281]

I agree. But I mentioned in previous threads that employees of corporations know which hotels folks typically stay at. When I was in the corporate world, I knew we all stayed at Marriott (company had a contract with them) including execs.

Totally agree, this wouldn't have been published. But somehow (surveillance or inside information) he knew where Brian would come from. The street Brian walked down to the hotel is the obvious route, even if Brian was going to walk through a side door or the front entrance.

 

[Strong1]

Could he be out of the country by now? Since it seems this was planned out, why not an exit plan?

 

[Roe19]

I’ve been lurking but struggling to keep up with these threads. In an earlier thread, someone suggested that the shooter’s figure might have looked “womanly” in the video because he was wearing a cleanroom suit that cinched at the waist, causing excess material to bunch up around the hips.

At the time, I thought that sounded fanciful. However, in the new photos, it looks to me like you can see the very edge of the hood of a white cleanroom suit. The best angle is the image of him outside the taxi, but you can also see a thin white edge below his face in the photo in the taxi.

I think this explains why some people think the neck area looks weird/could be a silicone or latex mask. Has there been any further discussion of this?

 

[mrstfs]

Totally agree, this wouldn't have been published. But somehow (surveillance or inside information) he knew where Brian would come from. The street Brian walked down to the hotel is the obvious route, even if Brian was going to walk through a side door or the front entrance.

Sorry I didn’t explain clearly. I was insinuating that the suspect could be a former employee. It’s more likely he staked out ahead of time as others here have theorized.

 

[Inthedetails]

If he is of ME descent, I think genetic genealogy won't work unless they get lucky and have close family members that test. With me on my dad's side all records end around 1920 or so. (I'm Armenian, so much of our records were literally purged by Turkey)

I have no idea who anyone is that I match with on GedMatch, except one guy is named in my great grandfather's book. However, I'm not sure how I'm related to him, except my GGF states that he met with a relative (who was the father of this man in Detroit. GGF died in 1967) They were arranging a marriage, but it didn't work out. According to DNA, this man is my third cousin, but there is no documentation anywhere. No records exist anywhere overseas or they are so hard to read because they're written in Arabic script Turkish, which requires special translators in Turkey. Arabic Turkish has been obsolete for 10 years.

Good luck with getting help from an Arab country or Iran or wherever his relatives originally came from.

I hear ya! Plus, getting DNA analyzed and doing family trees isn't a hobby for every culture or family.

But, I have been thinking this criminal might have relatives who are criminals (maybe even accomplices in this crime). If another relative has been convicted in USA, perhaps his DNA is on file and LE can find a match that way.

jmo

 

[sleuth25]

It still would have been a very silly strategy, especially when there’s a far safer one that would have had him in Canada in ~6 hours. Assuming that you’re smart enough to have completely foiled police is how criminals get caught. If this guy is as sophisticated as some believe, he’s not going to gamble his freedom and easy potential arrest on whether or not he may have made a tiny mistake that allowed police to identify him quickly.

If he’s leaving the country, crossing a land border is a far better choice in that scenario, by a mile.

JMO

Why would he travel to Canada?

Canada has an extradition treaty with the US.

If he fears flying out of a US airport, those same fears apply to Canada: the US and Canada share intelligence and would simultaneously flag him in both countries if he tries to fly out.

And crossing a border crossing requires a valid passport - He'd risk being arrested if they had him flagged.

So it makes no sense for him to cross the border into Canada. Either escape and hide in the US, or fly out of the country via a US airport... flying out of North America via Canada offers no benefit to him, only heightened risk.

 

[armchairagatha]

I’ve been lurking but struggling to keep up with these threads. In an earlier thread, someone suggested that the shooter’s figure might have looked “womanly” in the video because he was wearing a cleanroom suit that cinched at the waist, causing excess material to bunch up around the hips.

At the time, I thought that sounded fanciful. However, in the new photos, it looks to me like you can see the very edge of the hood of a white cleanroom suit. The best angle is the image of him outside the taxi, but you can also see a thin white edge below his face in the photo in the taxi.

I think this explains why some people think the neck area looks weird/could be a silicone or latex mask. Has there been any further discussion of this?

What is a cleanroom suit?