NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #6

[IQuestion]

After trying to read every post, almost impossible to catch up before needing to ask a question:
What name did he use to check into the hostel? Obviously didn't use his real name. Since he likes "teasing LE" I wondered if he used Don B. Cooper, Armen K. Smither,...would be interesting to see how far he went with the pre-planning? No indication if he used an old English name, one more ethnic, a made up name, or from someone in real life. (Just imagine how many LE would be on your block if he used your name/identity?)
My next question is for anyone "trained in shooting" Is the perp's stance unusual, other than clearing the gun, does anything standout that would indicate international/special forces training? How he holds his firearm, wide stance, dominant hand/foot forward stance....etc.??
Was the monopoly money "new prints" or from an old original game box? (They are very different!) Just curious?

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I will bet a bag full of monopoly money that the shooter did a couple of practice runs. This was not a plan that was made up on the fly. I'll bet he walked the route from the shooting location to where he had a bike stashed and rode it through the park.

And he made excellent time on the ebike, which suggests that he knew exactly where he was going, where he was going to drop off the backpack and perhaps where he would pick up clothes or a backpack that he may have left there earlier.

He may also have figured out what to do with the ebike on one of his practice runs. It's a very short distance from where he was seen with the ebike and where he was no longer on the ebike. Since he planned so much, one would think he may have had a plan for that ebike.

All just my opinion.

 

[RobSA]

It IS too invasive

I agree. But I had read probably a year ago about a city that placed some kind of audio sensors around and police are notified when a gunshot is heard.

 

[Kaley Smith]

This guy has been pretty strategic. He has done his research on so many levels. He should know about the capabilities of DNA - particularly familial forensic DNA. There is likely alot of DNA available to police, but it might take time to identify him - they need to parse out out fake DNA samples the killer may have planted on his route (he is playing with everyone with the bullet inscriptions and Monopoly money, why not despose of coffee cups and water bottles, not his, along the way), all the various DNA profiles at the hostel and any limitations on DNA matching available with regards to familial DNA given his potential ethic background (as we know certain ethic backgrounds are less represented in these dna/geneological databases - I know first hand as tracing my husband's history, who is of middle eastern dissent, has been challenging).

I think he is so committed to his cause (this crime took huge endeavor on his part) - exposing UHC for their failure he sees to provide care and being a monopoly that he is willing to die for this cause. He doesn't want to get caught, but given the commitment he has given this, he will die for it. Ever day he isn't caught he is reveling in.

Of course, would love your thoughts.

I've heard authorities say they are sure to catch him, but even if they identify him, I think they might never find him. He has a head start and had an escape plan. Perhaps he has no attachments like family who would miss him. He could be anywhere and have changed his appearance by now. This reminds me of the Barry and Honey Sherman case, and that will likely never be solved either. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[MassGuy]

I agree. But I had read probably a year ago about a city that placed some kind of audio sensors around and police are notified when a gunshot is heard.

It's called Shotspotter, and lots of cities use it. It doesn't always work, and it may not have picked up these gunshots because of the suppressor. It wouldn't have mattered though, even if police did arrive a minute or two sooner, this guy was dead and the killer was gone.

 

[rainbowshummingbird]

I don't think his original plan was to fly out of the country (unless he is a foreigner). I believe he thought there was no way he would be identified and could just slip back into his normal life at home. I think that is part of "the game". He thinks he is playing it so well that nobody would ever know. That is until the pictures came out. He would find out about them somewhere on his way back home. Now his plan is shot. He has to convert to being on the run, which is much different than returning to his life. But he has to worry now that they already know his name because the pictures are out. He feels he can't risk trying to fly out of the country. He has to find a place in the US to hide out. He has to change his appearance. He has to get access to his money or some other money. It did not work out how he thought, but this is now a part of "the game".

Since his pre planning for the murder seems to have been very thorough, perhaps his pre planning for post murder would also be well thought out. Might he already have multiple scenarios planned out? Maybe he had a plan for each: LE had his picture but not his identity, LE had his identity but without a current picture, or had both before he was able to leave the city, or had both after he was able to leave the city, or what he would say and do if he was arrested. Perhaps even multiple contingencies for each scenario.

 

[mrtnira]

This may be of use to some members of the chat. Police Off the Cuff YouTube channel had a very interesting discussion in which the topic of conspiracy came up. The three former police started to count down the publicly known information and they all agreed the murder isn't adding up to a single actor. One of three member panel is a retired detective who is a lawyer and a professor of Criminology. Another good channel discussing the case is DutyRon. One of the key presenters is a retired NYPD detective who remains active as an instructor. Both channels discuss how evidence is worked, and they will discuss law and process.

 

[SleuthJan]

I only question that because of the angle of the white edge in the image of him by the taxi. It isn’t round, and even if he were in the process of closing the taxi door, would it cause the collar to take on such a “squished” shape? At first glance, I thought the white line was the wire for EarPods, which would follow similar line as a hood.

His jaw seems squished in this angle/pic.

 

[gremlin444]

So how old does he look? 17-18? I have asked this before and not gotten many answers. I think he looks 22-23, maybe 24-26.

I also think he's modifying his look a bit with cosmetics - but we shall see. He could be a young-looking 30 year old, frankly.

IMO.

I feel like 23-26. 24 feels right to me.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

This may be of use to some members of the chat. Police Off the Cuff YouTube channel had a very interesting discussion in which the topic of conspiracy came up. The three former police started to count down the publicly known information and they all agreed the murder isn't adding up to a single actor. One of three member panel is a retired detective who is a lawyer and a professor of Criminology. Another good channel discussing the case is DutyRon. One of the key presenters is a retired NYPD detective who remains active as an instructor. Both channels discuss how evidence is worked, and they will discuss law and process.

Thanks. Sounds like the channels could offer good and new insights.

 

[RemarkableYou]

For everyone wondering about the possibility of the person wearing a mask, sorry I'm on the previous thread and just catching up today, I found a couple of videos of the former CIA master of disguise talking about the 5 second mask. It says the 5 second mask is one that you don't need a mirror to put on and fits exactly to your face. It is possible if the person was wearing a mask that the bike ride could have loosened it thus the weird looking neck and jaw?

I'm not sure if the videos are okay to post here or not. But if you look up CIA Mask you will find a few videos of the masks used back in the 90s and if they helped people pass for other cultures, sexes etc. in 5 seconds I can just imagine what is out there now.

Here is one article from People magazine but I didn't see anything about the 5 second mask which is really cool. CIA's Former Chief of Disguise Reveals Spy Secrets: 'People Who Knew Me Well Will Be Shocked' (Exclusive)

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

was sure he was going to be caught in NY city- Since he escaped from there I am losing confidence that he will be caught at all.

yup, I did NOT expect the NYPD to allow him to escape.

Alow him to escape? How could he possibly have been prevented from leaving the city or state? Not possible for cameras to be checked and him to be identified, found, and arrested within an hour and a half.
Shooting 6:44 AM, 7:00 AM at bus station.

 

[HungryBrain]

For everyone wondering about the possibility of the person wearing a mask, sorry I'm on the previous thread and just catching up today, I found a couple of videos of the former CIA master of disguise talking about the 5 second mask. It says the 5 minute mask is one that you don't need a mirror to put on and fits exactly to your face. It is possible if the person was wearing a mask that the bike ride could have loosened it thus the weird looking neck and jaw?

I'm not sure if the videos are okay to post here or not. But if you look up CIA Mask you will find a few videos of the masks used back in the 90s and if they looked they helped people pass for other cultures, sexes etc. in 5 seconds I can just imagine what is out there now.

Here is one article from People magazine but I didn't see anything about the 5 minute mask which is really cool. CIA's Former Chief of Disguise Reveals Spy Secrets: 'People Who Knew Me Well Will Be Shocked' (Exclusive)

If this person was hired for this, I believe things like this are more likely to be true. Especially if this person is a pro, they have funding, could easily get a mask made.
But then the question is where are all of these items now? He must have had to get rid of all of his clothes, that gun, the mask if there was one. The gun could be in one of the rivers around the city, the other items likely burned somewhere. You can do a lot in 5 days. Especially if your life depended on it

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I feel like 23-26. 24 feels right to me.

I'm thinking that he looks like he's in his mid 20s but he could also be a young looking guy who is closer to 30. He looks younger in the hostel pictures. By the time he's in the taxi, I think he's looking exhausted, stressed, devoid of emotion and over 23 or 24 years old.

 

[VenusRules6]

I'm curious if they are going through UHC denied claims that resulted in death in GA (within the last year) since that is where they said he came from. Also large claims that were appealed and denied.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

If he was a student AND he was far away, he could just say coming home late Dec/Jan. Saving $; working on a project etc.

This is a great point. When I first moved 1500 miles away from my hometown, I could afford to come home for Thanksgiving or Christmas, one or the other. So I chose Christmas.

 

[Inthedetails]

For everyone wondering about the possibility of the person wearing a mask, sorry I'm on the previous thread and just catching up today, I found a couple of videos of the former CIA master of disguise talking about the 5 second mask. It says the 5 second mask is one that you don't need a mirror to put on and fits exactly to your face. It is possible if the person was wearing a mask that the bike ride could have loosened it thus the weird looking neck and jaw?

I'm not sure if the videos are okay to post here or not. But if you look up CIA Mask you will find a few videos of the masks used back in the 90s and if they helped people pass for other cultures, sexes etc. in 5 seconds I can just imagine what is out there now.

Here is one article from People magazine but I didn't see anything about the 5 second mask which is really cool. CIA's Former Chief of Disguise Reveals Spy Secrets: 'People Who Knew Me Well Will Be Shocked' (Exclusive)

I don't think this criminal used anything fancy. He seems pretty low-tech to me and his facial disguise was a paper mask or neck gaiter.

Nothing about this case looks "advanced" except the time it took to plan meticulously.

Maybe some high-tech stuff happened behind the scenes, but, tbh, all his actions seem so....attainable.

jmo

 

[Universecalling]

Moo...I live in Canada, small town. Used to be all independent businesses. Now all grocery stores, veterinary clinics, most restaurants are conglomerate businesses. They said they would be cheaper...but they are not. So yes, it would be wise to have security..moo
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Behind on this thread…
At this point, would not be surprised if it was one of the poverty representing monopoly pieces… like a flat iron or an old boot.
I know I’m tired, and it’s late, but that’s where my Grisham leaning brain led me.
Hey, at least it’s not a “goat under the jacket” theory

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

For everyone wondering about the possibility of the person wearing a mask, sorry I'm on the previous thread and just catching up today, I found a couple of videos of the former CIA master of disguise talking about the 5 second mask. It says the 5 minute mask is one that you don't need a mirror to put on and fits exactly to your face. It is possible if the person was wearing a mask that the bike ride could have loosened it thus the weird looking neck and jaw?

I'm not sure if the videos are okay to post here or not. But if you look up CIA Mask you will find a few videos of the masks used back in the 90s and if they looked they helped people pass for other cultures, sexes etc. in 5 seconds I can just imagine what is out there now.

Here is one article from People magazine but I didn't see anything about the 5 minute mask which is really cool. CIA's Former Chief of Disguise Reveals Spy Secrets: 'People Who Knew Me Well Will Be Shocked' (Exclusive)

Thanks for posting this. Will be interesting to read.

If he really planned this as carefully as it appears, I would imagine he would have looked at ways he could easily change his appearance and change how his face looked.

MOO

 

[K.jill]

For everyone wondering about the possibility of the person wearing a mask, sorry I'm on the previous thread and just catching up today, I found a couple of videos of the former CIA master of disguise talking about the 5 second mask. It says the 5 second mask is one that you don't need a mirror to put on and fits exactly to your face. It is possible if the person was wearing a mask that the bike ride could have loosened it thus the weird looking neck and jaw?

I'm not sure if the videos are okay to post here or not. But if you look up CIA Mask you will find a few videos of the masks used back in the 90s and if they helped people pass for other cultures, sexes etc. in 5 seconds I can just imagine what is out there now.

Here is one article from People magazine but I didn't see anything about the 5 second mask which is really cool. CIA's Former Chief of Disguise Reveals Spy Secrets: 'People Who Knew Me Well Will Be Shocked' (Exclusive)

Wow! These 5 second masks let you talk and blink your eyes. Fascinating.