NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #6

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  • #461
I've come to my own conclusion that the murderer was a man that was very disillusioned by the UHC system.
I suspected either he or someone he was close to had a large claim denied.
He had obviously thought out both his elaborate plan and escape carefully.
His fatal mistake was lowering his mask at the Hostel.
I suspect LE was flooded with information once his photo was released to the public.
I think LE has a name and is building a solid case and trying to find him or tail him.

Just my humble opinion.
 
  • #462
Exactly, and the mask thing makes no logical sense in the first place. He was already wearing a mask, and had no intention of ever showing his face. The only reason he did was because that hostel receptionist asked him to remove it. He couldn't possibly have predicted that would happen. There's no reason to make this more complicated when the simplest explanation fits perfectly.

That also extends to hired hits and all that. Evidence and common sense says that this was self driven. He's telling us that with the words on the casings, the Monopoly money, and the type of weapon he chose to use. Hired hitmen don't taunt police, and expose themselves by going to Starbucks.

There's no reason to turn this case into the plot of a really bad movie.
The killer has already made this a game. This is not a mafioso ”painting the house”hit, no.
 
  • #463
I've come to my own conclusion that the murderer was a man that was very disillusioned by the UHC system.
I suspected either he or someone he was close to had a large claim denied.
He had obviously thought out both his elaborate plan and escape carefully.
His fatal mistake was lowering his mask at the Hostel.
I suspect LE was flooded with information once his photo was released to the public.
I think LE has a name and is building a solid case and trying to find him or tail him.

Just my humble opinion.
Couldn’t agree more. This is spot on in my opinion.
 
  • #464
Does anyone know what time this meeting was supposed to start? Arriving at 6:45 am seems a bit early. Was BT there early because he was supposed to meet someone before the conference started?
Way back in this thread, people who attend and help organise conferences like these mention that it’s routine for the key people, particularly the CEO, to arrive this early. And we know (also from previous posts) that the gunman was there too early, left for Starbucks and returned. We also know that BT was there from Monday and that it’s likely (not confirmed yet) that there will have been a dry run the day before. I’m guessing the gunman was watching the arrivals on Tuesday. Just a guess.
 
  • #465
I'm pretty sure LE and the FBI aren't going to release pics of a guy wearing a fake face and ask the public to identify him. With all their technology and specialists, they would be able to tell.
Also, it hasn't even been a week, I don't see how anyone can predict this turning into a cold case yet. Forensics, gathering video, going through tips, etc takes time. I also don't think we will get a name, or any more information, about the shooter until he has been arrested.
 
  • #466
People here have said some hostels have rules about distance from home address to hostel. I don’t know the rules for this one. Good question.
Why? I'm not sure what that means.
 
  • #467
People here have said some hostels have rules about distance from home address to hostel. I don’t know the rules for this one. Good question.
It's usually an x-mile radius feom the hostel, so likely north Jersey would be inside the radius, but south Jersey might be outside.
 
  • #468
In the photos in the hostel (not the cab) he looks to be wearing something around his neck, which he pulled down for the ID check and pulled up to act as a mask. It’s not a surgical mask.

The question may have been asked flirtatiously or not but the if the hostel has rules about not accepting locals, they’ll ask to see ID and if they do that, they’ll need to see the face match the ID.
It looked like the same black face covering he was wearing in the photographs at the Starbucks counter.
 
  • #469
I’m guessing that police found him by backtracking and searching video that matched the murderer’s physical description.
For my own memory's sake I needed to know. They tracked his movements after he got off the bus from Altanta.

Here :
Police believe the gunman arrived in New York City on November 24 — 10 days before the shooting, a law enforcement official told CNN. The suspect was seen on surveillance camera getting off the bus in New York around 9 p.m. ET that day and was seen walking through the Port Authority Bus Terminal in Manhattan, according to a law enforcement source. The suspect then went to the hostel. After that, he appears to move around the city, the official said.
 
  • #470
They have access to the information, but not at a conference, but rather at the shareholder's meetings. You're thinking of retail shareholders (non-professionals like you and I). This conference was for analysts and institutional investors (the professionals). Huge difference between them and retail shareholders.

Here it is again for anyone that missed it.

UnitedHealth Group (NYSE: UNH) will host its annual Investor Conference for analysts and institutional investors in New York City on Wednesday, December 4, 2024, beginning at 8:00 a.m. EST.


Here's a quickie lesson 101 on the difference:

Some widely known types of institutional investors include pension funds, banks, mutual funds, hedge funds, endowments, and insurance companies.

On the other hand, retail investors are individuals who invest their own money, typically on their own behalf.


More on Institutional Investors vs. Retail Investors: What’s the Difference? here:

Yes, it was a California Firefighters Pension Fund that sued the company in May of this year for insider trading. The claim specifically mentions Thompson, Andrew Witty (who made the brief video expressing his sorrow over the death of BT) and Stephen Hemsley. I wonder if any representatives of the pension fund were invited to this conference?

Hollywood Firefighter Pension Lawsuit Alleges Insider Trading by United Health Execs, Including Slain CEO | Chief Investment Officer
 
  • #471
My thoughts at this point. All JMO.

NYPD said from the jump that this was a targeted murder.

I thought from the beginning that the victim was targeted over healthcare, or lack thereof. A revenge killing, if you will.

The killer planned this assassination meticulously. He's intelligent.

The experts are saying that the Monopoly money was just a taunt to police. I don't agree. I'm no expert but I think the motive was against UHC and the Monopoly money meant something to the shooter beyond taunting LE.

If he just wanted to taunt LE, he could have put UNO cards in there, or Barbie dolls, or any number of things, but he chose Monopoly money.

Not random IMO.
 
  • #472
Why? I'm not sure what that means.
To stop locals using it as accommodation, I guess, and to stop it being used for illegal, on-site activities by locals. There are also limits for the length of stay. I don’t know the max for this hostel but people have mentioned two weeks, 20 days, etc. They’re trying to make it a place for out-of-town people who are visiting or passing through.
 
  • #473
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Post removed by mods. Happens often.
 
  • #474
My thoughts at this point. All JMO.

NYPD said from the jump that this was a targeted murder.

I thought from the beginning that the victim was targeted over healthcare, or lack thereof. A revenge killing, if you will.

The killer planned this assassination meticulously. He's intelligent.

The experts are saying that the Monopoly money was just a taunt to police. I don't agree. I'm no expert but I think the motive was against UHC and the Monopoly money meant something to the shooter beyond taunting LE.

If he just wanted to taunt LE, he could have put UNO cards in there, or Barbie dolls, or any number of things, but he chose Monopoly money.

Not random IMO.e
I could be way off but I originally thought the Monopoly money was a type of metaphor, money for lives.
 
  • #475
The tip leading to the perp came early on and from the hostel, no? Though undoubtedly a busy, boisterous place, the masked pe#1 caught the attention of staff. Why? The bike. Always had gut feeling—from first radio report of ‘suspect seen running across alley and fleeing on e-bike towards CP’—that the bike was critical.
Not because, where is it now? (That, I believe, is the only unplanned aspect, the perp hoping it would be stolen and maybe lucky).
First, because of the time/effort to secure it for even one hour in the alley in pre-dawn darkness to ensure it was available to be unsecured in the heat of the moment without leaving trace (the Monopoly money surely mentioned but since the heavy object not a gun, the bike lock perhaps?)
Later, mistakenly reported perp rode F car sans bike, leading me to speculate an accomplice planted it.
Now—whether acting alone or as part of an emergent underground collective of hackers/killers/idealists—the bike figured in the dry runs prior to the crime.
At some point during his 10-day junket, the perp acquired the bike. Don’t feel the mystery man hung around the hostel much, instead surveying the field.
Leaving early am, returning late (why his reser was auto-cancelled) but nevertheless attracting attention from staff, grudgingly allowing entrance to whatever semi-secured area such machines are allowed.
Thus, when the first reports aired of ‘suspect fled on e-bike’ staff figured musta been that masked guy we’ve been accommodating, last @ 5:30 this morning.
From there, easy for investigators to roll back his 23:00 11/24 arrival at hostel to a point of entry earlier that evening, rather than over a period of several days.
And from PA42nd to eventual crime scene, to hostel, departure/arrival point for all ten days with—speculating—100 hours tracked on cctv?
Regardless, faceless to 10 million NewYorkers but triggering a response from the handful of hostel employees, the only ones interacting with him on a personal level.
Is there a source for this?
 
  • #476
This is a hostel with communal rooms, not a hotel. I'd be very surprised if they made a request like that, especially considering they allow you to pay cash.

An NYC bus or cab is never going to make you remove your mask, especially in the wake of Covid.
hostels want to know who is there for liability purposes, no doubt. being asked for an ID and to see your face at the hostel is predictable. that said, i don't believe the mask ideas either. i think he just depended on the hood to mask most of his face.
 
  • #477
I wonder if the shooter would have taken the shot if BT had security with him.
If this truly was targeted, I wonder how the shooter even recognized the particular victim - the only video I've seen shows the shooter approached from behind. When did he have the opportunity to see the victim's face before the first shot?
 
  • #478
If this truly was targeted, I wonder how the shooter even recognized the particular victim - the only video I've seen shows the shooter approached from behind. When did he have the opportunity to see the victim's face before the first shot?
He could have seen him approaching, recognized him, and then simply waited until he walked past. They weren't face to face when he shot, but they may have been pretty close to that just before he walked by.
 
  • #479
He could have seen him approaching, recognized him, and then simply waited until he walked past. They weren't face to face when he shot, but they may have been pretty close to that just before he walked by.
Agreed. Plus online pictures and the likelihood of a dry run (unconfirmed) at the same location the previous day, perhaps with similar timings.
 
  • #480
I could be way off but I originally thought the Monopoly money was a type of metaphor, money for lives.

I've been thinking along the same lines and if I can see it I trust LE can too.
 
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