NY - UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Midtown. #6

[Armchair4me2]

I think its strange how the CEO had no security. None.

Known schedule in the early hours
Blue Jacket (target) here’s your guy

 

[Marantz4250b]

Yeah, you can, but not as carryon. Plus there are time consuming, and attention drawing procedures, sometimes big "fire arm inside" stickers on the checked luggage. No way a hit man would choose that, no way a personal grievance stalker would either, imo. I've flown with a gun before, but they make you feel guilty, and get all "important" about the checkin, and every one in the line is watching. Maybe all airlines don't permit it, and I doubt you can fly into Canada with a handgun and without a bunch of red tape, but it's possible in the us and international to/from Alaska.

NY is very restrictive, though. I can't see any airline allowing you to check in a pistol without demonstrating that your possession of it would be legal there.

 

[Onetwothree]

the FBI has offered a $50,000 reward for information leading to his arrest and conviction. That’s on top of a $10,000 reward offered by the NYPD.

Notice how UHC is not offering ANY reward money even if they are worth billions of dollars. Disgusting.

 

[Janitor101]

Honestly, the guy did a great job of hiding his identity considering how much press this case has gotten. Slipping up and showing his face so far has not led to an arrest, and there's no way this case is laying around forgotten on a desk.

I think LE has received an untold number of tips coming in from the hotline which have no doubt generated some very strong leads. They have to eliminate each one using their usual investigative strategies which is very time consuming especially if it results in a dead end.

 

[NuttMegg]

NY is very restrictive, though. I can't see any airline allowing you to check in a pistol without demonstrating that your possession of it would be legal there.

NJ that restrictive too?

 

[SleuthJan]

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They would have come forward to identify him? Also LE would be on this by now if he was part of the firefighters team.

 

[Armchair4me2]

Follow the money
How much Monopoly money was used in the bag? One game of money or several games of money. Track the money back to the games, then to the store where purchased. Camera footage may or may not be saved.

 

[Tiff23fr]

Sharing of a data point that may have been passed over. The layoffs, along with shorting the stock on one’s way out would be a concerning message.
Think about how much could have been made by a day trader in 24-48 hours following the drop window related to Brian’s death. A new kind of killer is likely a great concern as many here have mentioned.

Recent layoffs at UnitedHealth Group​

Optum, another subsidiary of UnitedHealth Group focused on patient services, is currently undergoing a series of layoffs, according to the Minnesota Star Tribune. The company in September announced hundreds of job cuts in New Jersey, California and Ohio, the bulk of which were set to take effect in December. State laws in those three places required the employer to disclose the cuts, so layoffs could have theoretically been more widespread but unreported. CBS News contacted UnitedHealth Group for more information.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/unitedhealth-shares-plunge-ceo-murder-213633926.html

UnitedHealth Shares Plunge After CEO’s Murder Prompts Fury at Health Honchos​

“UnitedHealth Group’s stock fell 5 percent on Friday alone, bringing its weekly loss to 10 percent. That wiped roughly $56 billion from the company’s market capitalization.”

After fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, here's what we know

Details are emerging after a gunman shot and killed UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside of a Manhattan hotel. Here's what we know.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Marantz4250b]

Notice how UHC is not offering ANY reward money even if they are worth billions of dollars. Disgusting.

Is there any legal bar to them doing so?

I'm not convinced that rewards, especially large ones, are a good idea. If they offered $1m for example, I bet that the cops would be inundated with morons trying to shop their friends and family members for the cash.

 

[NuttMegg]

NY is very restrictive, though. I can't see any airline allowing you to check in a pistol without demonstrating that your possession of it would be legal there.

Part of my theory is that he had an apartment in nyc and the whole hostel thing was part of the game. So he could have got the gun while in NY, black market. I really don't know much, would that firearm meet any classification as antique or some other maybe collectors category?

 

[Mr.Dandy]

There was a guy who owned a facial recognition software company on CNN the other night. He said that the image was likely good enough to do that. He cautioned that it would likely give a pool of potential matches though, and they'd have to follow up on all of them.

The issue too is that it's not like the government has photos of every single person, and many of the databases that must be searched are decentralized (each state has their own for drivers license photos for instance).

Those images of him without a mask is't going to pull up a perfect match or anything. They'd be in much better shape if they had one with his hood off.

I get that. Would be impossible if he was a foreigner too. But still… all that other evidence?

 

[PuzzlinEvidence]

Notice how UHC is not offering ANY reward money even if they are worth billions of dollars. Disgusting.

Well, they are known for not paying out...

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

I can't find the specific video but there is one with the pistol zoomed in on and gas escapes from the ejection port and the slide moves. Those are definitely facts.

Ian McCollum (AKA Gun Jesus) is a very highly regarded firearms expert who has shot those guns and he agrees that it isn't one.

Gun Jesus is indeed highly regarded and I had watched this before. However, there are also others that have shot this gun or another model, that think it is. I don't rule out anything, I have posted several times that if he used the single shot, it was a poor choice, and guessed that it was used because that was available to him and he didn't want to search for another gun/silencer.

I think the real block here is that it is almost inconcievable that the same person that pulled this off, all this elaborate planning, would be so incredibly stupid as to knowingly use a malfunctioning gun/silencer.

 

[Inthedetails]

I just read about this. I saw hats, T-shirts, and other merchandise with the slogan "Deny, Defend, Depose."

Whether the killer wanted to make a political statement or just divert LE, he's garnering quite a following.

Scary, kind of.

Not kind of. It is scary how quickly and easily public opinion was manipulated to cheer for assassination, imo.

jmo

 

[m00c0w]

But others responded by pointing out that there was a different sort of jam issue as well besides the need for cocking, and that no gun when working properly disgorges unspent rounds on the sidewalk

And for a B&T pistol of that type, this is accomplished by pulling and twisting on the very rear of the pistol. Not grabbing a slide and racking it. Which is what happened. The B&T doesn’t have a slide to rack. 100% not a B&T based on what we currently know.

JMO

 

[Mr.Dandy]

They did that in the Idaho murders, and it helped nail Kohberger something like 6 weeks later. That was the only time I've ever seen it used in a recent/active case. I think it's entirely possible that angle will be used here, but I can't imagine it will be necessary. In the Idaho one, they didn't have video of the suspect, and had no idea what he looked like.

I think someone will recognize him, and that may have already happened. An arrest wouldn't happen instantly though, as they'd likely want to collect and test his DNA first.

Who knows though, they may do that simultaneously.

But that’s the thing… did this guy not think they wouldn’t use DNA? I mean, it would be all over the bag, the phone. Maybe the bullets.

 

[Marantz4250b]

Part of my theory is that he had an apartment in nyc and the whole hostel thing was part of the game. So he could have got the gun while in NY, black market. I really don't know much, would that firearm meet any classification as antique or some other maybe collectors category?

Highly unlikely, I'd have thought.

I'm not too familiar with the specific rules in NYC but I was under the impression that possession of a handgun had been basically illegal since the early part of the 20th century unless you had some form of authorisation which you never got without good reason. I'm not sure what exceptions there might be for antiques, curio and relic firearms, etc.

I'm sure I read some years ago that in the entirety of NYC there was one gunshop!

 

[Periwinkl3]

If he was able to make it to Mexico, and he’s now had enough time, he could easily walk across the border at Tijuana. Probably other places too, that’s just the one I know. They don’t care who walks into Mexico, only out. Then he could hop on a bus to Mexico City and catch a flight to anywhere, or get lost there. I doubt if Mexican authorities are going to bend over backwards to help American LE just now.

Agreed. If he did fly out of the US, he'd run into electronic security systems that might thwart him. If he used more low-tech escape tactics, going to Mexico makes the most sense initially, but from there, he'd have to go to much less tech-savvy places. But those places would be drastically poorer, and he sticks out. And at some point, he'd have to have accomplices to bankroll him, unless he pre-arranged some kind of banking setup for himself.

He may have put tremendous effort into committing a perfect crime, but may not have put as much effort into planning for his post-crime life. But he'll eventually be found.

He's got to be exhausted.

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Luigi Mangione charged with murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO after arrest in Pennsylvania

Luigi Mangione faces a second-degree murder charge in New York in addition to counts including possession of a loaded firearm, possession of a forged instrument and criminal possession of a weapon.

abc7ny.com

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NYPD diving crews will return to Central Park on Monday looking for any shred of evidence in the shooting death of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

Police say they are still searching for the murder weapon and the e-bike the gunman used to make his getaway in the 50-year-old's murder.

 

[Mr.Dandy]

Agreed. If he did fly out of the US, he'd run into electronic security systems that might thwart him. If he used more low-tech escape tactics, going to Mexico makes the most sense initially, but from there, he'd have to go to much less tech-savvy places. But those places would be drastically poorer, and he sticks out. And at some point, he'd have to have accomplices to bankroll him, unless he pre-arranged some kind of banking setup for himself.

He may have put tremendous effort into committing a perfect crime, but may not have put as much effort into planning for his post-crime life. But he'll eventually be found.

He's got to be exhausted.

That’s the problem. It’s a far from perfect crime. His face is everywhere. His bag and phone were found so there’s DNA. They know, for the most part, where he came from generally where he went. It makes no sense in the traditional way.